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Attack on Syria announcement by President Obama
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Posted 9/4/13

ps2jstan wrote:

sorry. we are going to die some day so we should help what would god do


If your God wishes to provoke world war 3 than you and I know two different Gods.
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Posted 9/4/13 , edited 9/4/13

Hairbelly wrote:
Keep an eye on Crude Oil and Gold. Oil is really a non-factor here since America is swimming in shale oil and natural gas, but the oil pits might take advantage of the headline risk to run up the price to line their own pockets. Of course, Syria might already be "priced in" to oil at these levels, but we'll have to wait and see.

Military stocks such as Locheed Martin (LMT) have already been run up quite a bit this year.
Stellar price move. Someone knew something months ago. Buying here would be chasing, IMO.



Syria produces very little in the way of oil, and most of its neighbors have little to none also. The few who do, most of their oil fields are not near Syria. So most oil price jumps at this stage would be speculation and/or profiteering (I swear, you can't even sneeze over their without someone trying to jack up oil prices). The biggest danger for crude oil prices would be for Syria to become a much larger regional conflict drawing in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf states into an all out shooting war. Other possibilities include Iraq collapsing as a country, Iran threating (or trying to) close the Persian Gulf and/or support of Shia uprisings in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, or any spillover effects on the Suez Canal.

Gold could be different this time. It is already much higher then normal because of all the global economic problems of the last few years with lots of people already buying into gold. This has caused a unique situation in that their is more gold contracts then actual gold. If there is a big enough rush on gold the market could either collapse spectacularly or could spike to the stratosphere. (This shortage is the reason several countries have been shifting their gold reserves out of foreign banks and back into their physical control.)

U.S defense company stocks could be because:
1) The U.S. is the biggest arms seller in the world
2) Our two biggest customers are Israel and Saudi Arabia
3) And Turkey, Jordan and the Gulf States are going to need to gear up as well.
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Posted 9/4/13
Well I've been in the Army for 4 years now. After seeing what has happened in Iraq/Afgan I feel the US needs to stop putting itself in other peoples business.
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Posted 9/5/13
Against for this action.
I understand the fear and the goal to eliminate this and future chemical weapon attacks, but this just only raises fear, questions, and anger to do more damage if answers are not found the easier, safer, and cheaper way. The country of Syria is suffering terribly and there was an agreement to not pursue with such attacks, but a counter-attack will only create chaos. That is something that the US already knows, but they seem to think there is no other way. Obviously if we show up in their land with guns and ready to fire if necessary, then they will retaliate and start a bullet storm. Worse if it gets to that point, which I wont be surprised if it does.

Military action is beyond more unnecessary than necessary. I just do not know how dumber our government can get. The topic is not as major as they made it. They are just going to cause a panic across this nation.
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It is silly and shouldn't even be considered. Any person who understands how war works will tell you that, in order to win, you NEED boots on the ground. Troops must be deployed. No matter how much air support you have or how advanced your drone technology is, mopping up by a dedicated ground force is a necessity.

Launching a few missiles to 'punish' the use of chem weapons won't do anything but anger the dictator and kill innocent people and will almost certainly mean that there will be retaliation in the future. Boots on the ground will mean more meaningless deaths of US soldiers. Also, without the support of almost every other ally, the US is seen as warlike and unreasonable. In addition to everything that's being revealed about the US government lately, this will put a gap between the US and its allies.

The US doesn't seemed satisfied with being a nanny country to its citizens and now seeks to be a nanny power for the world. The world doesn't need any such self-righteous interference and the US economy would do well to not take any more hits from unnecessary involvement in other countries' issues.

I know literally NOBODY who is for the action, yet it will probably still happen. The disregard for human rights and the liberty for which the US is supposed to stand is increasingly obvious. More unconstitutional actions, more brutality by government-endorsed gangsters (AKA police), more silly and unneeded laws, more paranoia and suspicion, less approval by US citizens, yet this stuff is still going down.
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Posted 9/5/13

mangekyoulegend wrote:

Well I've been in the Army for 4 years now. After seeing what has happened in Iraq/Afgan I feel the US needs to stop putting itself in other peoples business.


Hooah, sir.
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Posted 9/5/13

mangekyoulegend wrote:

Well I've been in the Army for 4 years now. After seeing what has happened in Iraq/Afgan I feel the US needs to stop putting itself in other peoples business.


Here, here! The world is a nasty place at times but you have to fix yourself before you try to fix others.
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Posted 9/6/13
Honestly i feel like we need to stay out of it, i am in the military and i personnally feel that there is no reason for us to be there. My father is a GS worker for the military he is a retired marine. Sunday morning when i was sleeping he got and er call and they picked him up and sent him straight there to Syria. Its just getting stupid honestly going into war again when its a country attacking itself. Why the fuck do we need to go there !? its total bs in my book.
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Posted 9/6/13
I'm honestly torn. The past wars have failed terribly, but they were vague and without limit. The purpose of this movement would be to realize that controlling the aftermath is a lost cause instead favoring to destabilize the country and then leave the rest of it up to the citizens. The whole attack could be wrapped up in a few days only with the goal of hindering Assad. They could end up with someone worse, but at that point it's really up to them as a country.

With Russia getting involved though, the whole thing gets even more complex.

Where I'm at now, I'd watch carefully as to the evidence and actions of Russia and China in response. If Obama can provide the evidence needed to at least guarantee this won't turn into a proxy arms race it may be worth a shot. The second Russia and China pledge support in-spite of evidence it becomes a lost cause entirely as they will use Syria with the intent of bleeding us dry with absolute disregard for anyone in the country.
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Posted 9/8/13 , edited 9/8/13
Oil continues to edge higher as speculation grows on U.S. involvement in Syria and a possible widening of the conflict that could involve neighboring oil producing nations and Russia (as a foe).



This is a daily price chart of the per barrel price for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude. Current price is on the right hand side and stands at 110.26 dollars per barrel (oil is a dollar denominated commodity). Brent Crude which is a major trading classification of sweet light crude oil and is quickly becoming the world standard, is currently trading at 115.89 (chart: http://i.imgur.com/gbDla3K.png).

We will probably see oil fluctuate as the U.S. debates when it will strike Syria and what the consequences are. If the strikes are delayed long enough, we actually might see crude grind sideways or drop. Chatter on the floor puts the max for WTI around 113 per barrel if the U.S. strikes and there isn't any fallout with Russia or Iran.

If the U.S. strikes on Syria are met with minimal blow back from Russia, Iran, etc., then we should see a decent sell off in crude in the Autumn. If the U.S. backs down and doesn't strike, again we should see some kind of sell off. Keep in mind though that Saudi Arabia has stated in the recent past that they needs a base of 115.00 dollars per barrel on crude to maintain margins.

All bets off the table for the price of crude if the conflict widens.

Obviously, the U.S. doesn't really need Middle East crude now as much as we use to so the run up in price is not based on potential gasoline shortages in American. Instead, it's threefold: 1.) manipulation by pit traders (opportunity), 2.) war spill over into neighboring oil rich nations (legacy fear), 3.) Russian blow back (broadening conflict).

There has been a major rise in the Oil Services and Oil Exploration stocks as well. This is due to the massive oil & natural gas shale finds in America and elsewhere and not likely due to Syria at all.

The good thing is that wholesale Spot Unleaded Gasoline continues to trade in a sideways range (chart: http://i.imgur.com/fLH5W3u.png) with fracking shale being the equalizer for the moment.
Posted 9/8/13
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-syria-crisis-germany-idUSBRE98707B20130908

Syrian forces may have used gas without Assad's permission: paper ^
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Posted 9/8/13 , edited 9/8/13
This via BreakingNews (a Comcast/NBC property):


https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/376715280577482752

Also from the same interview of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad:


RT @BreakingNews: Charlie Rose says Syrian President Assad would not confirm or deny that regime has chemical weapons - @FaceTheNation


- In interview with Charlie Rose, Assad says he had nothing to do with attack
- http://news.yahoo.com/assad-says-he-had-nothing-to-do-with-attack-152856395.html

In an interview with Charlie Rose in Damascus Sunday, Syrian President Bashar Assad denied he had anything to do with last month's chemical weapons attack that killed thousands of Syrians, but would not confirm or deny his regime has chemical weapons, Rose said on CBS' "Face The Nation."

[..snip...]

According to Rose, Assad again suggested Syrian rebels may have had something to do with the Aug. 21 attack on the Syrian people.

He denied he knew there was a chemical attack, Rose said, and added that there is not enough evidence to make a conclusion judgment. Assad, he said, told him there is "no evidence I used chemical weapons against my own people."

In a statement to Yahoo News, National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan scoffed at Assad's comments.

"It doesn’t surprise us that someone who would kill thousands of his own people, including hundreds of children with poison gas, would also lie about it," Meehan said.
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The US government claims there is evidence but has yet to produce any proof, unlike in the past. They say thousands died when casualties are verified to be a few hundred. They say Syria's dictator used the chemical weapons despite how he knew about Obama's warning beforehand. They say there is evidence when all the other big powers would have likely been able to get the same information. Yet it seems only France is willing to support the US.

Come on, he's a dictator but he got into power for a reason. He's probably mean but he's not STUPID. He would know that using the chemical weapons and allowing the US to find out would be like committing suicide. Syria doesn't stand a chance against US forces and he knows it.

But, yeah, despite all this and that only about 9% of the US supports the strike, they are probably going to carry it out anyway.
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Posted 9/8/13
Obama: "protect human rights"....."the right thing to do"

You mean to tell me that YOU want to protect human rights?

And there's no ulterior motive? Our only interest is protecting human rights?

Really? Huh...

Oh I get it....


You're just playing a silly joke on me. There's always self interest when it come to the US government's involvement in any international affair..

Oh silly Obama. Your joke was foiled





Serious Note

This guy seriously is going to destroy our nation. We're already on our knees with all the problems here at home, now you want to kick us in the face with another bullshit?
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Posted 9/8/13 , edited 9/8/13

sosarx wrote:

Obama: "protect human rights"....."the right thing to do"

You mean to tell me that YOU want to protect human rights?

And there's no ulterior motive? Our only interest is protecting human rights?

Really? Huh...

Oh I get it....


You're just playing a silly joke on me. There's always self interest when it come to the US government's involvement in any international affair..

Oh silly Obama. Your joke was foiled





Serious Note

This guy seriously is going to destroy our nation. We're already on our knees with all the problems here at home, now you want to kick us in the face with another bullshit?


Yeah, if human rights are really a priority, the protection of them should probably begin with our own country. But, as we can see, it's all about wealth. 'Human rights' is one of the most stupid and obvious fake reasons the government comes up with. Yet people will believe it.

Let's advocate human rights by bombing civilians. Seems legit.
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