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Attack on Syria announcement by President Obama
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Posted 9/11/13 , edited 9/11/13
If anyone is interested, here's a New York Times Op-Ed from Russia's Vladimir Putin (just published). This could be pure propaganda or a different perspective. Certainly, Putin is a man with blood on his own hands and not really one to talk peace. He's a friend of the current Syrian government and has a vested interest in keeping Assad in power.

So this -- all of this, including the proposal to put Syria's chemical weapons under lock & key -- could all be a stick in Obama eye or just a means to "buy time".

The one question I have is this: why is everyone just now talk peace AFTER 100,000 people have already died? Why does it take so long?

However you feel about Syria, Putin, or Obama, the Op-Ed linked below is well worth reading.

- A Plea for Caution From Russia by Vladimir Putin
- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html


MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

[...snip...]

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

[...snip...]

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.


Full article at the link above...
Posted 9/11/13 , edited 9/11/13
There's a method to madness. ^ Look like the bold part is warning people of Nationalism or something. Imo it's looking like propaganda and the audience is definitely not America. He's not giving Obama any choice, this is not a friendly letter imo. It is what it is.
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Posted 9/12/13
To be fair even the 1400 casualties estimate is either exaggerated or made up. In the local Lebanese media there were all sorts of estimates ranging from 300 casualties to 1400. I'm not American but I think they should wait for evidence before taking any action.

It is worth noting that they had no problem with Israel using White Phosphorus on Lebanon in 2006 and on Gaza in 2008. There is certainly much more evidence supporting those claims. I don't know if they happened or not but Obama seems to be willing to strike on Syria with little to no evidence, so it's only fair to hold everyone to the same standards.
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Posted 9/12/13
I cant agree with you more. the US government just doesnt care...
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Posted 9/12/13

Hairbelly wrote:


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That's because Kerry fucked up. If it were Clinton, she'll definitely get us this war, rather than manage to gaff her way into peace.



You don't think they've really achieved lasting peace here do you? I've read your posts... You seem smarter than that. And Kerry didn't do anything here. The Russians brought this "peace" offering to the table. Kerry did nothing but carry water.



I don't know, they may achieve some semblence of peace (or at least as peaceful as Civil Wars get) with respect to the Syrian conflict, but in the end, it is much more peaceful than an US intervention. And, actually, the Russians simply used Kerry's gaff in London to corner America into peace, if Kerry just kept his mouth shut, and stuck with the script, as Clinton would have, then we would have had our intervention.
Posted 9/18/13
The laws against chemical weapons are there for a reason and should be enforced.

But with that said there are no real evidence that the syrian government used chemical weapons and therefore US shouldn't act so fast.
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Posted 9/18/13 , edited 9/18/13

DatDanimexican wrote:

The laws against chemical weapons are there for a reason and should be enforced.

But with that said there are no real evidence that the syrian government used chemical weapons and therefore US shouldn't act so fast.


Haven't read it myself, but according to the U.N. report on the incident, there is quite a bit of evidence that the Syrian Gov. or the Syrian army (acting on its own) did indeed use chemical weapons.

Whether they go after anyone legally is unknown since Russia and China are blocking efforts.
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