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Post Reply the bane of anime!
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one thing i think that sucks about anime, is that there are so many unfinished anime, and i know this is because a vast majority if not all of these come from manga, and if i really like an unfinished anime i will go read the manga to see what happens with the rest of the story.

but i feel like a lot of people don't either because they just dont know or, whatever the case. (mainly those who dont live in japan)

i just sort of thought of this because not many mangas get to have their entire set of volumes turned into animes, like naruto, bleach, one piece, fairy tale and so on.

like for example i just got into nisekoi, i am in love with this manga! took me a day to get to chapter 65 and im going to catch up to where it currently is today, and i was super excited to find out it was going to be an anime next year.

the only thing that doesnt really bother me but sucks (because i will continue to read it), is that the entire thing might not be animated, which would mean a lot of people will mostly likely miss out on the whole story.

this happens to a lot of awesome shows, not because the shows become bad, but just because, well hell, there is only so much air time and the anime industry doesnt want to show the same 20+ animes for 12 seasons.

i wish the anime industry was more popular so it could actually afford to continue every series it picked up, as much as i like to imagine the scenarios i read playing out in my head, it is always fun to actually see it animated to see if it ends up how it played out in my head lol.
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The bane of anime is school.

Edit: well the industry as a whole I'd say anime is always the shortest revived. Money and effort is too vast for any series unless it is main stream. Only ones that come to mind are: one piece, detective Conan, doreamon, and shin chan. But those are old, OLD. Anyways all boils down to cost versus profit.
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Not to sound too grumpy but, let me get this straight: the OP is stating the obvious about anime adaptations, and then complaining that he wishes the industry was more popular. All the while, the OP implies that he's reading the manga for free (pirated).

Wishes sure are nice, but maybe he could help make the anime and manga industry more popular by paying for more of the products that he enjoys? Just an idea.
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deadpanditto wrote:

Not to sound too grumpy but, let me get this straight: the OP is stating the obvious about anime adaptations, and then complaining that he wishes the industry was more popular. All the while, the OP implies that he's reading the manga for free (pirated).

Wishes sure are nice, but maybe he could help make the anime and manga industry more popular by paying for more of the products that he enjoys? Just an idea.


All good points here. OP should take this to heart.... especially the text in Bold (emphasis mine).

FYI ... while I'm not a paying member of CR, I do purchase an unusually large amount of R1/R2 anime DVDs each month and have been doing so since around 2000-ish.
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An unfinished story keeps us in suspense.

Creating a good ending is also said to be the most difficult task for any writer.

Thus: a clusterfuck of unfinished animes rain down upon our collective parade.
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I thought the bane of anime was all the moe kawaii desu desu stuff that comes out these days. But yours works too.
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deadpanditto wrote:

Not to sound too grumpy but, let me get this straight: the OP is stating the obvious about anime adaptations, and then complaining that he wishes the industry was more popular. All the while, the OP implies that he's reading the manga for free (pirated).

Wishes sure are nice, but maybe he could help make the anime and manga industry more popular by paying for more of the products that he enjoys? Just an idea.


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Have you SEEN Berserk yet?


Oh, and they got a re-release Movie series out now, it's epic, and I remember them saying they're going to make another 6 or so to convert the whole manga.


Berserk is among the most well known Anime-promotes-the-manga Animes out there.
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The problem the OP is overlooking other than the obvious piracy matter is that even if a show may be somewhat popular in the west we are the secondary market and if it did not make a financial impact in Japan we may never get to have a continuation of that particular storyline. One effective counter to this would be if we were to get a western anime studio that could buy the licenses and make new material, but like I said before that would take forethought and creativity so we only get Jersey Shore reruns and the Sharknado.
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Felstalker wrote:

Oh, and they got a re-release Movie series out now, it's epic, and I remember them saying they're going to make another 6 or so to convert the whole manga.


Berserk is among the most well known Anime-promotes-the-manga Animes out there.


I own both of the new Berserk movies. The first one was acceptable. The second one is complete garbage. I don't understand the point in remaking them if they're just going to cut out all the good parts and screw with the story. In comparison, my old Berserk box-set contains a ridiculous number of fist-pumping moments of awesomeness and a heart wrenching storyline where life and love seem balanced with all the danger and ambition.

The new movies make me feel like I'm watching G.I. Joe on fast forward with whisky hangover. No heart.
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Hmm. It is true that anime is frequently meant to draw fans into its source material, so, if the topic creator is reading the manga as a result of the anime, then ... mission accomplished. (Almost. Pay for what you read, IMO.)
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AshRandom wrote:


Felstalker wrote:

Oh, and they got a re-release Movie series out now, it's epic, and I remember them saying they're going to make another 6 or so to convert the whole manga.


Berserk is among the most well known Anime-promotes-the-manga Animes out there.


I own both of the new Berserk movies. The first one was acceptable. The second one is complete garbage. I don't understand the point in remaking them if they're just going to cut out all the good parts and screw with the story. In comparison, my old Berserk box-set contains a ridiculous number of fist-pumping moments of awesomeness and a heart wrenching storyline where life and love seem balanced with all the danger and ambition.

The new movies make me feel like I'm watching G.I. Joe on fast forward with whisky hangover. No heart.


But do remember! You already have the Box Set of Berserk! They're trying to recreate the early pages but not in full, it's more of a summary movie than a full-series convert. This lets them improve the quality on the vital, yet skimp on the touching but story over cinematic aspects.

Guts on the hill with Caska easily joins my favorite moments in the series. But as cool as it would look they decided to skip it, for time reasons. As great as the Anime is, it doesn't have the cinematic aspects. The best shots are epic manga-inserts. The new Movies want to animate those amazing inserts!

Then you have to take into account they're trying to entertain new fans, with movies. It's like the Gundam Movie compilations. It's great and all but damn if it doesn't butcher the series! Gundam happens to be a massive 50 episodes per series, and they have several movie compilations of them! OG Gundam and Zeta Gundam compilations sold very damn well. The original because omg Gundam is awesome, and the Zeta remake in 2004'ish and...3 films over a period of time. The Zeta reintroduced a huge swath of fan's into Gundam, because they just watched the Japanese equivalent to "The empire strikes Back" In HD! It introduced tons of fans. The first movie was iffy but the 3rd had 1 minute of new ending, and that just had everybody go WOOOOAOAOAH and watch it.

The reason I'd expect it to take a while for Berserks following 3 movies, is they have to learn how to convert another 3 movies. They could translate them into over-arching themes, like the Retribution arc's theme of well, Gut's going into hell at the end of movie 3 and his eventual escape from despair in movie 6, Or each movie can be a stand alone story part of Berserk Universe. This allows them to shove out the Fairy-Apostle Arc and not skip it. And the Count and perhaps even shoving the Knights of the Iron Chains in here for their own arc. The Hill of Swords would have to be covered in these 3 to unfold the following Arc's.

When I think about it, they'll perhaps go Movie=Story way. Since unlike the Golden Age Arc, the rest of the manga doesn't fit so nicely together. It kinda does, but it kinda doesn't.

The 1st-3rd Berserk movies worked fine with me. I didn't want story, I have the Manga.and Anime for stories. I wanted something that looks cool to add in to the Berserk train.
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Felstalker wrote:

But do remember! You already have the Box Set of Berserk! They're trying to recreate the early pages but not in full, it's more of a summary movie than a full-series convert. This lets them improve the quality on the vital, yet skimp on the touching but story over cinematic aspects.

Guts on the hill with Caska easily joins my favorite moments in the series. But as cool as it would look they decided to skip it, for time reasons. As great as the Anime is, it doesn't have the cinematic aspects. The best shots are epic manga-inserts. The new Movies want to animate those amazing inserts!

They rushed through the 100 man battle-... Say it to yourself and then try to swallow it.

He's called the 100 manslayer, but the part where the audience realizes how awesome he is, gets rushed. He doesn't defend Kaska from the flail wielding half-giant Samson Coborlwitz, because Samson isn't even there.

Guts is terrible at expressing his feelings, and that was the one part in the whole series where Kaska actually managed to see through his psychotic bravado and they skipped it. WTF????


Then you have to take into account they're trying to entertain new fans, with movies.

If that's their aim, they've missed the mark. Creating a bunch of crappy movies without any time allowance to build the cool-factor of the protagonist is new-fan suicide. Plain and simple.


Gundam happens to be a massive 50 episodes per series

Berserk has five DVDs each with five 20min parts if you cut out the credits and previews each segment is actually quite short. The movies are an hour and a half each. The time is nearly equivalent, yet the movies are stripped down of all content? Why? It's clearly not a time issue. The director is either a madman, a fool, or both.


The reason I'd expect it to take a while for Berserks following 3 movies, is they have to learn how to convert another 3 movies. They could translate them into over-arching themes, like the Retribution arc's theme of well, Gut's going into hell at the end of movie 3 and his eventual escape from despair in movie 6, Or each movie can be a stand alone story part of Berserk Universe. This allows them to shove out the Fairy-Apostle Arc and not skip it. And the Count and perhaps even shoving the Knights of the Iron Chains in here for their own arc. The Hill of Swords would have to be covered in these 3 to unfold the following Arc's.

Considering the trend, expect less, not more and you won't be disappointed.


When I think about it, they'll perhaps go Movie=Story way. Since unlike the Golden Age Arc, the rest of the manga doesn't fit so nicely together. It kinda does, but it kinda doesn't.

The 1st-3rd Berserk movies worked fine with me. I didn't want story, I have the Manga.and Anime for stories. I wanted something that looks cool to add in to the Berserk train.

The only *new* cool thing we've seen was the opening castle siege from the first movie, and even that came at the price of making his fight against Bazuso epicly lame. We've been ripped off right and left. I'll keep buying the movies just to support the franchise but I couldn't possibly be more disappointed with what we've been given.
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As long as I get the second half of Berserk Animated, I'm fine with what they do.

The Bazuso and 100 Man slayer fight were awesome events, but story and fight wise a bit meh in the sceme of things. The second movie skipped at some significantly bad times, and after watching the 3rd movie I'm more than sure they could have pushed Gut's leaving to the 3rd movie. But Guts leaving in the 2nd makes more of an impact.

I'd much rather have the Dreams on a Hill sequence over a bunch of scenes. And having Caska's background explored properly would have been far better as well. I don't think they're able to make the movie longer than it is however. It's weighting what they can remove, what they should remove, and what they could remove.

They're more likely to skip the Fairy-Apostle arc than they are to Half-ass it. I'm not sure it deserves a whole movie. I would however expect the Count Arc from early as hell chapter 3, skipped or not it does give Gut's his one failed chance at Grifith.

Then you have the whole "meeting Puck and obtaining Dragonslayer" business. Caska's child is so vital but so disgustingly important.

I'm fine if they skim most of the Retribution arc, do we really need a Sex Orgy Demon with a Snake Penis? Is that necessary? As long as the story shows Farnese and Gut's arc's from each's point of view I'm fine with it. Ishido is too awesome a comic relief not to show up, but he doesn't need anything important, not even his introduction is important. You could throw him in the background of the Retribution Arc and have him join up anyways.

Yeah, I like talking about Berserk too. I really want them to make follow up movies. I like the style they went with. But the over-arching goal wasn't "Re-sell the orignal Golden Age arc" but "Create the second half of the story"
They needed to re-show the originals before they could move on. Else it'd be an OVA series instead of Movie Series.
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Come on. Let's be thankful that these shows are moving forward. There might be something new heading your way.
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