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Posted 9/8/13

I shiver at the though of Hollywood entering the Anime world. You guys remember dragonball evolution... OTL still have nightmares


I think the good thing about this kind of entertainment is its going to grow but it got this niche part of it that will make sure it doesn't go the way of video games and get over taken by money only focused companies. I finally walked over to ecchi land and to my surprize there is some good shows in this werid land of fanservice.

I do think right now anime was not on the high point of 2007 pre the econ crash. US had money back then to really make a lot of shows be able to cross the gap because we could buy it and cash was plenty. Black Lagoon, Darker than black, Claymore, GITS:SAC and more were around that High money time when the west was able to buy a lot. While I think now its anime mostly is much more internal focused on the Japan Market with west as surplus.
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Only regular TV show that I always tune in for is Dr. Who (BBC) and I am an American LOL

What does THAT say about the state of LAMESTREAM TV these days?! LOL
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You don't want Anime to surpass mainstream TV. There's nothing but shit on American TV(actually, it's a sea of shit, and you have to swim to find the good stuff). So, if Anime did surpass western television in terms of popularity, it's not exactly something to brag about, considering how low modern television has fallen these days.

In my opinion, no. And I don't want it to. I'll take my Japanimation and be labeled whatever for no justified reason any day if it means that my favorite animes aren't dramatically altered because Hollywood feels that the shows aren't cashcows. Being stereotyped is better for me than having to see my favorite series suffer due to high or low popularity.
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Can anime surpass it? In terms of quality, it's always been better. In terms of popularity? No, and that's kind of a good thing. Just like with good music, the more "popular" something is generally indicates the lower quality it is.

Today's culture thrives on the idea of breaking free from tradition and seasoned culture. Unfortunately, that means that they're breaking free from extremely successful and amazing things, such as classical music, theater, and arts that have thrived and developed over the course of millennia.

Take comedy for example, in the past it used to be satirical, intellectual humor based on current events and commonalities. Even 50 years ago it was still refreshing and entertaining. Now it's mainly a college-dropout with a foul mouth on stage talking about things decent people wouldn't discuss in public. Basically it's just who can be the most vulgar and get away with it. (also demonstrated in music, such as Miley Cyrus' recent parade)

Either way, most good things in life nowadays are underrated, for lack of a better word. To be fair, some artists and musicians weren't even recognized for their excellence until years after their deaths in the past too, but it's at an unprecedented level now. To find good things you have to work to find it, and that's just life.

Sorry for practically typing an essay on (and off) the topic but it all just came to mind for the first time right now in a coherent way.
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cheapshotfail wrote:

Can anime surpass it? In terms of quality, it's always been better. In terms of popularity? No, and that's kind of a good thing. Just like with good music, the more "popular" something is generally indicates the lower quality it is.

Today's culture thrives on the idea of breaking free from tradition and seasoned culture. Unfortunately, that means that they're breaking free from extremely successful and amazing things, such as classical music, theater, and arts that have thrived and developed over the course of millennia.

Take comedy for example, in the past it used to be satirical, intellectual humor based on current events and commonalities. Even 50 years ago it was still refreshing and entertaining. Now it's mainly a college-dropout with a foul mouth on stage talking about things decent people wouldn't discuss in public. Basically it's just who can be the most vulgar and get away with it. (also demonstrated in music, such as Miley Cyrus' recent parade)

Either way, most good things in life nowadays are underrated, for lack of a better word. To be fair, some artists and musicians weren't even recognized for their excellence until years after their deaths in the past too, but it's at an unprecedented level now. To find good things you have to work to find it, and that's just life.

Sorry for practically typing an essay on (and off) the topic but it all just came to mind for the first time right now in a coherent way.


Dude, you're waaaaay too young for a 'kids these days!' attitude ><
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I think that even the mediocre anime are better than most tv shows on. There are still good tv shows though, but not many and unlike anime there are hardly ever any new shows and the ones that do come out aren't very good and usually really similar to past and other ones - the hundreds of crime shows for example.

However I doubt that anime will become mainstream in america 1) because a lot of people see it as a cartoon and not the art that it is, and 2) Because americans are generally close minded, afraid of change, and afraid of things that are different
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Alright, I just skimmed through everything but what I noticed is that some response doesn't make any sense at all.

Local shows in the west are being portrayed as a minor quality compared to anime. That itself shout lies in every direction.
(I guess which you would expect on an anime-based forum).

I'm not saying that anime is the lesser one...but if you are to answer such question like this, putting the fact that we are generalizing what western or any other local mainstream has in compared to anime, there's no doubt anime will never reach how mainstream shows are in terms of popularity...it's been like this since the 80's.

You cannot erase that anime's are known by the general populace as a show for the younger people, even in Japan on its own...you can argue about the content of the anime is focused for adult but yet, it's still an anime - bounded with how its being delivered...just like how your hesitant to watch anime in public...I know you know what im talking about.

As this is a close-net forum, im pretty sure many will disagree but this is the fact. Putting your mindset that someday it will be as popular as how a mainstream shows are is just a wishful thinking with very little reason to back it up.

Theres' ton of shitty shows out there but you know what? that applies to anime as well...and this is highly based on the individuals perception. I myself hate Anger management that stars Charlie Sheen as how I hate your typical school boy harem anime...but also loved Spartacus like how I love Attack on Titan.

There will always be good and bad shows, dont generalize it on just how its being produced.
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Never too young for some wisdom and intelligence XD
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daw48 wrote:


RolexKid wrote:

hell would break loose.

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On an ever-so slightly more serious note, no. Anime can only appeal to a select audience as of current.


There are still way to many people who look at Anime as some cartoon show. when they break that mold and accept Anime as an art form then things will change.




I look at all animation as a cartoon (animation outside of 3d), but I also look at cartoons as an artistic form of entertainment.


One of the biggest hurdles it would have to pass are the fans themselves. Some "fans" stop watching their shows because they deem them too mainstream (shonen seems to fall in that category) and bad mouth them to people who may have interest. Some fans just like to down new fans because they only watched said show dubbed. I've watched anime for a good time and know what I like, but even I take offense to people saying the only reason to watch dubbed anime is if you can't keep up with the subtitles, or that the Japanese audio is always better. I've always liked reading books (fast reader) and I don't mind subtitles, but sometimes I'd rather listen to the characters and watch the small details in their surroundings. I also think that overacting in subs and dubs is something that can turn people off. I hate when I like a show and one of the main cast members is annoying (Shinpachi Shimura comes to mind) or puts too much emphasis on "Acctinnng" (Eren Yeager's voice actor fits this imo) to the point when I start to dislike a potentially good show (Blade of the Immortal and Saikano, both sub and dub).

Another big hurdle is the perverted aspect of it. A LOT of the shows seem to have either men who are borderline rapist, women who are only there for their bust, kids who are treated as sex objects (and sometimes they are "hot for teacher"), and the action women almost always wear attire that would only make fighting harder. Highschool of the Dead has all of that and then some. I personally liked it and think that it would be better without all the panty and breast shots (they took a panty shot of a girl being eaten by zombies). Anything with zombies will have a big following in the west (no matter how dumb the stories are), but this show just had to be ecchi (if I see ecchi I usually just skip it).

The last big hurdle is animation itself. My mother likes Grave of the Fireflies (she was going to watch it with my nieces until I told her to watch it first, she changed her mind about letting them see it but still said she loved it), Totoro, Adventure Time, Cowboy Bebop, Regular Show, Avatar, Castle in the Sky, The Simpsons, Batman/Superman (90's version) and countless other animated shows, but she won't go out of her way to follow them. That is how most people see animation around the world.


So in short, (outside of movies) the answer is no.
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Posted 9/8/13 , edited 9/8/13

cheapshotfail wrote:

Never too young for some wisdom and intelligence XD


some carefully researched counterpoints :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE9C1fQ--LQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqp_Si4a10E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BALU8uNtU5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn8eLbu_ugc


ohhh the good old days ><
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Seems to me that you're supporting my argument, not providing counter points. Either way, this comment chain is getting long. I'm going to bow out here.
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Seems to me that you're supporting my argument, not providing counter points. Either way, this comment chain is getting long. I'm going to bow out here.


I thought we were talking about the 'good old days' thing ><

Comedy wasn't much smarter then than it is now.
Posted 9/8/13
It has its own way of surpassing them. We, among many others out there, know the reasons why. The ingenious design of many anime goes to show how superior to some forms of entertainment some viewers consider it to be. It has so much emotion and wisdom that you can't get quite the same from some sitcom which pressures a culture into watching it. Anime is a more or less hidden treasure. Even Sheldon Cooper stated that anime isn't cartoons, it's anime. True, but the method of expression is similar to that of cartooning. That is the base which Japanese animators have gone off of to create what is a force to be reckoned with.

Don't expect anime to ever have the attention better known shows receive. It was never meant to. That gives it an uncommon appeal which spits in the boring face of mainstream media.
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I don't want anime to get any more popular...im a hipster.
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I definitely think Japanese animations have the ability to become a norm and even rival the mainstream entertainment business. It may take some time but people are becoming more increasingly aware and exposed to the content. When I was growing up, I didn't know what it was and my friends certainly didn't. It wasn't until the internet and Dragonball Z that I finally knew what I was watching. Kids know now what exactly what they're watching and I'm certain more kids are exposed to it now than when I was in school.



eightcar wrote:

Only regular TV show that I always tune in for is Dr. Who (BBC) and I am an American LOL

What does THAT say about the state of LAMESTREAM TV these days?! LOL


Agreed. Dr. Who is a great series.

Aside from that, the only shows worth watching are the crime shows. Though I still also watch cartoons.
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