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Going to give this a shot.
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I was on board until the demon suit ended up being a fan service bomb. I'll give it one or two more episodes to show some plot.


Yeah. I don't like her suit either. Kinda unnecessary. Other than that, this show is pretty entertaining. I'll stick with it.
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The suit thing wasn't all bad but I definitely feel as though I'd need to side with those who feel uneasy about the show because of it. If pix and screenshots are any indication it's not a 100% of the time outfit, it appears to have a "every day school girl" form until she decides to hulk it out. I remain slightly cautious of hype, but overall aside from the questionable direction with the suit design I found the episode exciting and fun,
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Question to all of those bothered by Matoi's suit; were you at all bothered by Yoko's outfit in Gurren Lagann(if you watched that series, or did her outfit make you not want to watch it at all?)? Because that had pretty much the same total area of skin exposure and it was something you saw all the time for the first half of the series. Unlike Matoi's suit which transforms.
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Koda89 wrote:

Question to all of those bothered by Matoi's suit; were you at all bothered by Yoko's outfit in Gurren Lagann(if you watched that series, or did her outfit make you not want to watch it at all?)? Because that had pretty much the same total area of skin exposure and it was something you saw all the time for the first half of the series. Unlike Matoi's suit which transforms.


Completely different situation...Matoi's suit is supposed to be some kind of super powered uniform that she's likely going to abuse over the course of the series that she unwittingly sort of had forced upon her.

Yoko's outfit was just...her choice of clothing. She chose to dress that way herself, or maybe even it was all she had. Yoko also wasn't the main protagonist, despite being a lead cast member. She was generally just there for support and eye candy.
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Koda89 wrote:

Question to all of those bothered by Matoi's suit; were you at all bothered by Yoko's outfit in Gurren Lagann(if you watched that series, or did her outfit make you not want to watch it at all?)? Because that had pretty much the same total area of skin exposure and it was something you saw all the time for the first half of the series. Unlike Matoi's suit which transforms.


Completely different situation...Matoi's suit is supposed to be some kind of super powered uniform that she's likely going to abuse over the course of the series that she unwittingly sort of had forced upon her.

Yoko's outfit was just...her choice of clothing. She chose to dress that way herself, or maybe even it was all she had. Yoko also wasn't the main protagonist, despite being a lead cast member. She was generally just there for support and eye candy.


I don't see it as completely different situations. They are both fanservice outfits and from my understanding Matoi's outfit being a fanservice outfit is why people are being bothered(you are like one of the only ones to give any form of reason why it bothers you beyond it being a fanservice outfit). Why they are both wearing their respective outfits doesn't matter to me. Fact is both are at the end of the day fanservice suits, so the question I simply have is for those bothered by Matoi's outfit for its fanservice aspects.

Now if they are like you and have greater grievances than it just being fanservice(well they probably should have stated as such), that is ok. But just complaining about the fanservice if they didn't have such problems with another character wearing an equally revealing outfit is hypocritical to me.
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GAINAX, you have done it again.

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Oops I didn't know about Trigger's formation.
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Matoi's outfit actually shows more skin than Yoko's. Not by a HUGE deal, but it shows more. I think it's because Matoi's always looking uncomfortable while wearing it. Whereas Yoko doesn't even have a second thought about what she's wearing.
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Also, was this show delayed?
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Seems like a bunch of people think Trigger just tossed the fanservice in there because they wanted to boost sales or something.
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Koda89 wrote:

Question to all of those bothered by Matoi's suit; were you at all bothered by Yoko's outfit in Gurren Lagann(if you watched that series, or did her outfit make you not want to watch it at all?)? Because that had pretty much the same total area of skin exposure and it was something you saw all the time for the first half of the series. Unlike Matoi's suit which transforms.

It doesn't bother me, but I'm not sure you can quantify it like that either. It just feels different - I didn't have any trouble appreciating Yoko as a character in TTGL, but so far Matoi is basically just a bombastic fetish object.

That could easily change though, it's impractical to judge something like that just based on the first episode.


I'm still holding on to a few of my expectations for this show though; if it's just mindless fun, that's fine. But I think there is an agenda going on that'll become more prominent as it goes along, which they've already introduced:

"Fear is freedom!
Subjugation is liberation!
Contradiction is truth!
These are the truths of the world!
Surrender to these truths,
you pigs in human clothing!"



I'm basically running with that as being the show's thesis until further notice. I don't expect it to be just idle rhetoricism, even though it was overshadowed drastically by all the crazy action packed into the rest of the episode.

We'll see though.

(Tangentially, it's funny how the whole city looks like a gigantic drill).


Edit:

More ramblings from a Facebook conversation; just tossing around potentialities.

WARNING: (contains THAT spoiler from TTGL; you know the one).
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I can get past the talking, blood-drinking, eye-having, transforming, stupidly revealing uniform. Wow, I just realized the extent of how stupid it is... Anyway, what I can't get past is the spastic animation that distracts from both the in-screen text and English subtitles. It wasn't even this overdone in FLCL. I'm gonna keep watching but some serious plot better compensate for my seizures.
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kajanan wrote:

GAINAX, you have done it again.


Gainax didn't make this trigger did

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Koda89 wrote:

Question to all of those bothered by Matoi's suit; were you at all bothered by Yoko's outfit in Gurren Lagann(if you watched that series, or did her outfit make you not want to watch it at all?)? Because that had pretty much the same total area of skin exposure and it was something you saw all the time for the first half of the series. Unlike Matoi's suit which transforms.


Oh but remember! Skin does not equal Sexy! It's a far more complicated equation than that!
Sure a Bikini is rather sexy, but Naked? OOOH so much more so!
But naked does not compare to underwear! Lingerie is by and far the more perverted.

How does Yoko's short-shorts, jacket, and bikini top DARE to match with Matoi's under-cleavage, panty revealing mini-mini-mini-skirt? The part that makes it sexy isn't simply what's missing, but whats there.

AND add in the expression. Yoko picked her outfit, Matoi's thrown into it. Matoi's embarrassed, which makes it even sexier.

I ain't got a problem with it, but being sexy is the intent of the uniform, it's the joke. This is more so for everybody else, guys the uniform is the point!


The revealing uniform stands in stark contrast to the Goku-uniform, which is probably the point.

And that absorb feature? Senketsu might get less revealing as the show goes on, as she takes down more uniforms and absorbs them.
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CyanSwan wrote:

I can get past the talking, blood-drinking, eye-having, transforming, stupidly revealing uniform. Wow, I just realized the extent of how stupid it is... Anyway, what I can't get past is the spastic animation that distracts from both the in-screen text and English subtitles. It wasn't even this overdone in FLCL. I'm gonna keep watching but some serious plot better compensate for my seizures.



I thought the episodes was pretty good, but I have to admit with some one with stigmatism in both eyes it kind of hurt sometimes.
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Insomnist wrote:
I'm still holding on to a few of my expectations for this show though; if it's just mindless fun, that's fine. But I think there is an agenda going on that'll become more prominent as it goes along, which they've already introduced:

"Fear is freedom!
Subjugation is liberation!
Contradiction is truth!
These are the truths of the world!
Surrender to these truths,
you pigs in human clothing!"


I'm basically running with that as being the show's thesis until further notice. I don't expect it to be just idle rhetoricism, even though it was overshadowed drastically by all the crazy action packed into the rest of the episode.


I agree with a lot of what you said, but do you really think her statements are the show's thesis statement. Seemed to me like it was setting up the antagonist's side of the picture.

I also read a lot of what you put into the spoilers, and I agree with a lot of it.

I've said it before, but this show already reminds me a lot of Orwell's Animal Farm, and the line "you pigs in human clothing" sounds like a reference to me. But, then again, I'm really looking for it. xD

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