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Do you believe in meant to be/ happens for a reason?
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hmm some thing may happen because of fate or destiny and happen for a reason or I just don't care enough to pursue the problems so I say yup its fate screw it just leave things the way they ended
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Fuck Fate and Destiny
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Dodebebop wrote:

I honestly think its only a few things that are destined to happen but theres some people i know that are like "Oh i dropped my pencil! That must have happened for a reason. Ill just leave it."
And i just sit there like


As sad as it may seem, all sorts of people believe in "fate" or whatever. In reality, though, I understand where this belief comes from. See, there's a nice, long chain of cause and effect. Simply put, everything that has a beginning has a cause. Everything. Since dropping your pencil has a beginning, it has a cause. In that sense, it did happen for a reason. However, it probably wasn't the universe trying to tell you something. It probably wasn't (insert whatever god you believe in) trying to communicate with you. It happened because you did something. YOU made a choice (or somebody else made a choice) and something happened.

Now, I've heard several people come down on people of faith as being the source of this. I disagree. It is the superstitious who are the cause. People can believe there is a higher power and not believe in the dumb little lucky charms stuff that people try and peddle. Blaming something on fate or pre-destination are caught up in pointing the blame away from the REAL cause of the situation. The universe is highly consequential - meaning if you make a choice, there WILL be a consequence (even if that consequence is negligible). I would encourage people to focus on what the real cause is.

I'll use a personal example to demonstrate what I mean. Did I meet my (now) wife because of destiny? Nope. I met her because she was friends with somebody else I knew and she invited her to her birthday party. Was it fate that they were friends? Nope. It's because they were both hired at the same place. Was that fate? Nope, the hiring manager just happened to value what each of them contributed. It's quite simple: everything in the universe which has a beginning has a cause. Keep asking the why question and you'll eventually go farther back in history than any man can conceive.
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Posted 9/13/13 , edited 9/13/13
No fate but what you make (along with your genetics and socioeconomic status).
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Posted 9/14/13
Life is about choice you make in life. and you reap what you sow. Then there the stupid things that can happen to you.can chalk that up (shit happens). The best laid plans can go to hell, you get back up an do it again. Failing is also apart of life you will learn more from mistakes then from your success. You want to call it fate that a cop-out.
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We have that power to make shit happen. And there are always reasons.
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Fate blinds us to the ability to forge our own path. Saying it was fated is just a convenient scapegoat in a corner of one's choosing, waiting patiently to ferry its passengers from a difficult situation or bad things that already transpired. If people say no to the goat, they can make progress in knowing that no one plans these things, they just happen. It's like getting eaten in the wild- it just happens. Granted not much moving on can be done from a lion's stomach, but that's how the universe works. It's just a random assortment of random events, governed by surprisingly rigid laws.
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Probably not, but I like to think it does.
Posted 9/14/13
events happen spontaneously and randomly
there's no reason why they happen and no reason why something follows.
events happen because of matter, time, space and gravity.


people like to attribute reasons to events happening to them, for e.g. i only met the love of my life because i took a statistics class that i hated!

because humans have the ability to reason due to high intelligence. but this type of reasoning is entirely subjective and has no correlation to events happening in the universe.

life adapt to the universe, not the universe catering for life. evolution is random.


the only objective reasoning is something like mathematical and scientific reasoning. everything else is subjective.
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I don't personally consider this question to be one worth asking. Whether or not there's such a thing as 'fate' has no bearing on any of us. Things happen due to cause and effect, as so many here have said. That is the truth. Now, this cause and effect could be random and accidental, or according to some sort of design we're not aware of.

If the first is true, then whatevs. There's nothing to really get caught up about, and we try to live our lives the way we want.

If the second is, then we have no way of telling the difference anyway. Even if everything was planned out beforehand, this is a plan that includes all the choices we're all going to make. Whether or not we're dancing on the strings of some all-powerful being is actually completely irrelevant to us, because we do make choices, and influence things with those choices. The 'design', if there is one, has to include everything you think about, everything that happens to you, and every little alteration in your mood. In the end, it's the same as if everything were random, as far as we're concerned.

Basically, whether there's some grand design, or whether or not we have free will, is pretty much inconsequential to us: we see the world as we do. It's quite possible that our interaction with everything else is extremely limited, but we simply don't have the means to learn the truth of the matter. If we did find out that there was a design for us, and learn how to use that to predict the future, then we would immediately break it just by knowing, which in turn might have all been a part of the design, repeat ad nauseum.

If there's a design, it accounts for absolutely everything, which is effectively the same as there not being a design.
Posted 9/15/13 , edited 9/15/13
I believe there's a reason why we choose to do one thing over another. Whether we do so because of fate remains to be seen (at least for me.)


Bavalt wrote:

I don't personally consider this question to be one worth asking. Whether or not there's such a thing as 'fate' has no bearing on any of us. Things happen due to cause and effect, as so many here have said. That is the truth. Now, this cause and effect could be random and accidental, or according to some sort of design we're not aware of.

If the first is true, then whatevs. There's nothing to really get caught up about, and we try to live our lives the way we want.

If the second is, then we have no way of telling the difference anyway. Even if everything was planned out beforehand, this is a plan that includes all the choices we're all going to make. Whether or not we're dancing on the strings of some all-powerful being is actually completely irrelevant to us, because we do make choices, and influence things with those choices. The 'design', if there is one, has to include everything you think about, everything that happens to you, and every little alteration in your mood. In the end, it's the same as if everything were random, as far as we're concerned.

Basically, whether there's some grand design, or whether or not we have free will, is pretty much inconsequential to us: we see the world as we do. It's quite possible that our interaction with everything else is extremely limited, but we simply don't have the means to learn the truth of the matter. If we did find out that there was a design for us, and learn how to use that to predict the future, then we would immediately break it just by knowing, which in turn might have all been a part of the design, repeat ad nauseum.

If there's a design, it accounts for absolutely everything, which is effectively the same as there not being a design.


Atm I disagree that it's irrelevant to know whether we're following a designated path or not. I don't wish to know whether I have a designated path or not so that I may potentially change that path. I wish to know because to know it helps to make me feel like I have a purpose, and there is something I can offer which no one else can and vice versa. If anyone can be anything, then I at least have a hard time believing that I ought to exist in the first place.

Also, why do you assume we'd break the path by knowing?

I shouldn't have to say this part, because questioning someone should not = slandering them, but just so you know..I'm not necessarily doubting you. It just conflicts with my current beliefs and I'd like to get on the same page, if possible.
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I watched Kung Fu Panda yesterday. So, no, there are no accidents. =O =O =O XD
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Posted 9/16/13
Things do not happen for a reason (in a spiritual sense)- but rather, there is a reason why things happen (again, in the whole "fate" sense).
Things will happen because people and the world are constantly moving forward, but there is no "this was meant to happen" reason for whatever happens. Things will happen, but its effect is determined by you- you are your own fate, depending on what you choose.
Although, there are some cases where people manipulate small events to their advantage by calling it "fate".
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