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Do You Believe Miracles Exist?
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Posted 9/14/13

Kakashi_Umino wrote:

not at all. i don't see it happening to anyone else, and it never happens to me. i know it's supposed to be a rare thing, but still. however, i do believe in luck.


This.
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Posted 9/14/13 , edited 9/14/13
Miracle = Something that happens that we intelligent humans do not fully understand.. There's nothing miraculous about anything, we just don't understand it. When I mean "nothing miraculous" I mean there is no divine power behind it.

Even if we say, that something happened that would change how the worlds physics/how the world works,
*Which isn't possible as far as we know, beside black holes! :D! *joke**
it wouldn't be a miracle, it would just simply be a part of nature, or in other words, how everything works in this weird imperfect universe!



Winning the lottery isn't a miracle, it's math
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Posted 9/14/13 , edited 9/15/13
I personally use "miracle/miraculous" as synonyms for "amaze/amazing" and "wonder/wondrous."
In my opinion, "luck/chance" is an event which occurs beyond my perceived control, and has no regard to my will, intention, and desired result. I greatly favor the descriptive sense of "luck/lucky," which is when I find the previously stated occurrence of events to be either fortuitous or unfortuitous, and maybe improbable. I also fancy "synchronicity," which I use to describe the events lead up to what can be deemed as "lucky," "coincidental," and "miraculous." I particularly apply "synchronicity" when there are people purposely setting up events in the hope of tricking someone into believing that a "miracle," "coincidence," or something "lucky" has occurred.
Posted 9/15/13 , edited 9/15/13
I have a better way of putting it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-m9uG50mSw

lol i'm done
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No. There are no thermodynamic miracles. Not now, not ever. If something happens that we cannot explain, all it means is that we do not understand it's mechanism at that particular point in time. Everything falls under the dome of science and that's all there is to it. And before anyone says, "But someone had to create all of this....and your elitist, cynical, intellectual, atheist mind cannot accept it. And miracles are everywhere and blah blah blah blah...", to that I have only to say that a.) I am not an elitist. I do not look down upon other people's beliefs. I'm only sharing my view because, well, that's the topic of this forum. b.) If there WAS a god, where did he come from? The typical response is 'He was always here'. This where my anti-theism and theism almost converge. I skip god and say the multiverse was always here, in one form or another...the substrate that gave rise to the Higgs Field that gives rise to Strings that gave rise to the sub-atomic particles and the basic forces of nature, and so on.......they were always here....perhaps not in it's current form....but certainly omnipresent. Having said all of this, I do not wish to disabuse anyone of their beliefs. And for those who don't believe in 'LUCK' or the more appropriate term, 'PROBABILITY', throw out all of your digital devices because they could not exist without our knowledge of quantum mechanics. And quantum mechanics, which has been proven to be astoundingly accurate time and time again, is based solely on probability. Now before any smartasses attempt to snark or troll me, I recommend they take a few physics courses or read a book every now and then. Besides, trolling only works when the trollee responds, which I certainly wont. And let me reiterate, I don't think I'm any better of a person than any of you, but perhaps 2 masters degrees and 3 patents might make me a little more learned.
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Yes. Nothing is a hundred percent..I believe this also pertains to improbabilities being probable/impossibilities being possible etc.

Meaning I believe anything is possible.But I don't believe you should wait for them. I mean~ You could very well be that Miracle
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Posted 9/15/13
Miracles do not exist, but human greatness does.
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Posted 9/15/13 , edited 9/15/13
Many-worlds interpretation


GayAsianBoy wrote:

I think the word "miracle" itself is incredibly subjective. What is miraculous to humans, might not be miraculous to a third party observer.


For e.g., a person gets shot by a bullet in the head and lives... most people would call that a miracle, but to me, that's just the human body thriving to survive and the result of billions of years of evolution... nothing more and nothing less.


Third party observer, lol. First thing that came to my head, aliens. Second thing, what third party? bigfoot?
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Magic is fake. Coincidence is a matter of probability.

The most beneficial acts performed in this world are done with our own hands.
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There are miracles that are probably something we don't understand. But, there are also miracles like the Miracle of the Sun that seem to imply a certain God.
Posted 9/15/13

pandrasb wrote:

Many-worlds interpretation


GayAsianBoy wrote:

I think the word "miracle" itself is incredibly subjective. What is miraculous to humans, might not be miraculous to a third party observer.


For e.g., a person gets shot by a bullet in the head and lives... most people would call that a miracle, but to me, that's just the human body thriving to survive and the result of billions of years of evolution... nothing more and nothing less.


Third party observer, lol. First thing that came to my head, aliens. Second thing, what third party? bigfoot?


rofl...

i probably used the wrong phrase, but what I meant was something or someone that is not a part of this universe. it's what philosophers use to prove a point about objectiveness and subjectivity in this universe.
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Posted 9/15/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

Many-worlds interpretation


GayAsianBoy wrote:

I think the word "miracle" itself is incredibly subjective. What is miraculous to humans, might not be miraculous to a third party observer.


For e.g., a person gets shot by a bullet in the head and lives... most people would call that a miracle, but to me, that's just the human body thriving to survive and the result of billions of years of evolution... nothing more and nothing less.


Third party observer, lol. First thing that came to my head, aliens. Second thing, what third party? bigfoot?


rofl...

i probably used the wrong phrase, but what I meant was something or someone that is not a part of this universe. it's what philosophers use to prove a point about objectiveness and subjectivity in this universe.


Something like? God?

Sorry I'm more confused
Posted 9/15/13

pandrasb wrote:



GayAsianBoy wrote:
rofl...

i probably used the wrong phrase, but what I meant was something or someone that is not a part of this universe. it's what philosophers use to prove a point about objectiveness and subjectivity in this universe.


Something like? God?

Sorry I'm more confused



no, definitely not a god. the existence of an omnipotent and omniscient god is contradictory, but that's another story.


i'm talking about an observer, something that is not a part of this universe and so can give an opinion about this universe that's not influenced by the laws of this universe. it's not a human, alien or bigfoot, it's just an imaginary thing that can give opinions.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:
no, definitely not a god. the existence of an omnipotent and omniscient god is contradictory, but that's another story.


i'm talking about an observer, something that is not a part of this universe and so can give an opinion about this universe that's not influenced by the laws of this universe. it's not a human, alien or bigfoot, it's just an imaginary thing that can give opinions.


Ok got it (though it still sounds like a deity)

How can he give an opinion if (she/he/it) is not part of this universe?
Posted 9/15/13

pandrasb wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
no, definitely not a god. the existence of an omnipotent and omniscient god is contradictory, but that's another story.


i'm talking about an observer, something that is not a part of this universe and so can give an opinion about this universe that's not influenced by the laws of this universe. it's not a human, alien or bigfoot, it's just an imaginary thing that can give opinions.


Ok got it (though it still sounds like a deity)

How can he give an opinion if (she/he/it) is not part of this universe?




just think of it as the marriage counsellor, and the humans in this universe as the couple the counsellor is trying to give objective analysis to...



You seem quite inquisitive about this...
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