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Posted 12/14/13 , edited 12/14/13

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Yes, if Kill la Kill and Samurai Flamenco are the only anime you are interested in, then paying for a Crunchyroll subscription wouldn't make much sense ~ it would be more for people interested in some of the twenty to thirty simulcasts that are going to the UK.



And even then, it depends which show or shows you are most interested in.

This season, my top three shows are "Kill la Kill", "Beyond the Boundary" and "Log Horizon". Only one of those three got on CR in the UK. The others I am watching elsewhwre, regardless of which method used. But as such, I'm not dipping into CR as much as I otehrwise would and am just not watching the shows that did get on this season. I just don't have the momentum going.

If I do fire up the PS3, it's more to play games or plough through my Blu-ray catalogue. Going through my CR catalogue just doesn't interest me the way it does on season where all of my favourite shows are in my CR queue.

Personally, I have renewed for a year. Black Friday deal and all. What I get out of it is a cheap sub. :-) What they get is a year to try and ensure that they manage to get UK rights for some of the must-watches over the next few seasons before I jump ship.
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Screw Kill La Kill! I want to watch One Piece! BUT I CAN'T!
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Posted 12/15/13

agila61 wrote: Yes, if Kill la Kill and Samurai Flamenco are the only anime you are interested in, then paying for a Crunchyroll subscription wouldn't make much sense ~ it would be more for people interested in some of the twenty to thirty simulcasts that are going to the UK.


TiggsPanther wrote: And even then, it depends which show or shows you are most interested in.

This season, my top three shows are "Kill la Kill", "Beyond the Boundary" and "Log Horizon". Only one of those three got on CR in the UK.

That's pretty much what I was saying. If among the twenty to thirty simulcasts to your region, you are only seriously interested in one, that wouldn't be enough for me to keep subscribing ~ for me its just how many I am willing to pay for, and my threshold is three. Between Gingistune, Kyousougiga and Space Brothers, I'd be at the threshold if I lived in the UK, but nowhere near as far over it as I am in the US.
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agila61 wrote:
That's pretty much what I was saying. If among the twenty to thirty simulcasts to your region, you are only seriously interested in one, that wouldn't be enough for me to keep subscribing ~ for me its just how many I am willing to pay for, and my threshold is three. Between Gingistune, Kyousougiga and Space Brothers, I'd be at the threshold if I lived in the UK, but nowhere near as far over it as I am in the US.


The problem is, I was seriously interested in several of the shows in my queue. But having other titles elsewhere breaks the momentum I find in watching something. And it just happens that this season, out of the three shows that ended up being my must-watch ones, only one of them is on CR. Or, should I say, only one of them is on CR over here. Which, whether the companies intend it or not, just ends up as a kick in the teeth.
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what about uk? when do we get it?
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No time soon, as far as I can tell.

I'm having a bit of back-and-forth with Wakanim/AnimeLimited over Facebook and although they don't seem averse to their being available on multiple outlets, business stuff tends to take time and things have to balance up for all sides.

I'm trying to (hopefully politely) keep reminding them that viewers (especially paid UK CR subscribers) are "not entirely over the moon" about the situation, but I feel like I'm a lone voice banging that particular drum. Well, the only person on their discussion areas anyway.

Personally, I still reckon it's a show that needs to be on Crunchyroll. (Or a similar service, although here the only other even vaguely comparable Anime streaming service is Animax, which is still currently web-only)
But for CR to be able to show it to UK subscribers, CR and Wakanim/AtA need to both agree that it is important and then agree how best to do it financially.

I do think, though, that UK CR members need to be contacting both parties involved (and with polite & well thought out statements) to try to encourage both sides to seek some sort of arrangement. because, at this point, it feels something the viewers care about more than the companies... which isn't likely to end up with anything changing.
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Tell AllTheAnime.com ~ they licensed it for the UK (and, it seems, Ireland) and its being released by Wakanim.tv. Crunchyroll can't stream it (or their other title, Samurai Flamenco) to the UK (or Ireland) unless AllTheAnime.com offers Crunchyroll the rights.


Hopefully people, other than just myself, are bringing it to their attention. From what I can tell, it's a "takes time to discuss things" issue, at least in part based around money. But more people (politely) expressing an interest in viewing it that way couldn't hurt the situation any.

At the very least, they won't think that I'm the only persistently interested person harping on about it.

I'm hoping that, going forward, as an established entity in the UK Streaming market, Wakanim/AnimeLimited are able to negotiate shared streaming more and more with future titles.



The European Union doesn't seem to work very well for media rights, other than the UEFA football and the Eurovision song contest. Most everything else seems to be heavily sliced and diced on a region by region and country by country basis.


Oh Gods, I'd be happy if we could trade "less Eurovision: for "more Anime".

And it sucks even more for games, sometimes.

As gaming rights are often EU-wide, the UK (and anyone in other countries who is conversant in English and has no problems whatsoever gaming in English) has to wait for games that are already in English to be translated into other languages before it can hit the shelves.
And then people wonder why importing and piracy gets so high. It doesn't seem so bad as it used to, but can still annoy.

Also, censorship/editing in localisation ends up being Lowest Common Denominator. So if one county has a rule that says "No Alcohol in games Aimed at kiddies", the rest of the EU is lumbered with references to "Fruit Juice". (Has been known to happen)
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agila61 wrote: Tell AllTheAnime.com ~ they licensed it for the UK (and, it seems, Ireland) and its being released by Wakanim.tv. Crunchyroll can't stream it (or their other title, Samurai Flamenco) to the UK (or Ireland) unless AllTheAnime.com offers Crunchyroll the rights.


Hopefully people, other than just myself, are bringing it to their attention. From what I can tell, it's a "takes time to discuss things" issue, at least in part based around money. But more people (politely) expressing an interest in viewing it that way couldn't hurt the situation any.


Yes, business deals take time, and negotiations for Winter season licensing are taking place as we speak, so if a deal is sorted out, the earliest it would likely show up for us would be the Spring season.

But the ideal would be a package deal between Crunchyroll and Wakanim/AllTheAnime that covers Crunchyroll subscribers at least, so it only takes two subscriptions, Crunchyroll & AnimaxUK, to get streaming access to almost everything, with Wakanim/AllTheAnime focusing on the digital rentals and downloads to complement AllTheAnime's home video distribution.

And, yes, people politely expressing an interest has more weight than people yelling, since yelling gets tuned out.
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Yes, business deals take time, and negotiations for Winter season licensing are taking place as we speak, so if a deal is sorted out, the earliest it would likely show up for us would be the Spring season.


Which, in a way, is a shame. As it means it's unlikely to get on CR during its actual airing.
I would dearly love to switch to legal streaming for this show, as that's how I watch the majority of newer stuff these days - and enjoy doing so. But as fansubs are currently the only convenient way of watching Kill la Kill on my TV, I watch that way. But if it showed up on CR here tomorrow I'd switch straight away for sheer ease of use if nothing else.

But, going forward, at least if it shows up as a back-catalogue show it'll be useful. If for no other reason than, like me back in February, there's always a new subscriber who is just bowsing the CR anime list looking for something to try out that they've not watched yet. I watched (and since bought) shows I only watched (and, in some cases, hadn't even heard of before) via CR.



agila61 wrote:
But the ideal would be a package deal between Crunchyroll and Wakanim/AllTheAnime that covers Crunchyroll subscribers at least, so it only takes two subscriptions, Crunchyroll & AnimaxUK, to get streaming access to almost everything, with Wakanim/AllTheAnime focusing on the digital rentals and downloads to complement AllTheAnime's home video distribution.


That would be the ideal, yes.

I guess they did need a fairly high profile show to launch. I just think the timing of announcements could have been better. If they'd been able to announce the show (and Wakanim's service) before tempers were running high here about its absence from the UK-available lineup then things probably would be a lot calmer now.
Plus, early enough and many UK people would have heard about the show through its "On Wakanim" announcement, instead of its "Not on CR here" announcement.
But by the time it was finally announced, some of us (including myself) were defiantly in the "Crunchyroll or similar subscription service, nothing else will do" camp.

Sadly, i suspect everything was moving at the "Speed of Legal paperwork". Which anybody who has done something like buying a house knows is… not exactly rapid.


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And, yes, people politely expressing an interest has more weight than people yelling, since yelling gets tuned out.


Indeed. Which is why i try to be civil and thought out in my postings to them, rahter than one-sentence ranty posts which would mean nothing. And also why, even when I still disagree, I do thank them for replying to my posts. As I appreciate the effort they put into responding, even if I don't necesarily appreciate the answers given.
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Hahaha,

"Members in the following regions are now able to watch Kill la Kill: EU territory (excluding UK, France, French speaking countries and cities; Switzerland, Belgium, Algeria, Monaco, Quebec and Tunisia, Germany and German speaking countries and cities; Switzerland, Lucemberg, Austria, Liechtenstein and Alto Adige), and the Middle East."

translates to:

"Members in the following regions are now able to watch Kill la Kill: EU territory (excluding almost every European country), and the Middle East."
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Still waiting for Attack on Titan.
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No Kill la Kill for UK...really, REALLY pissed off
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No Kill la Kill for UK...really, REALLY pissed off

Pissed off at who? CR, or Aniplex, the company that determined who got it in the UK?:
http://www.wakanim.co.uk/library/animes-1/0/kill-la-kill/ShowEpisodes

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parker203 wrote:

No Kill la Kill for UK...really, REALLY pissed off

Pissed off at who? CR, or Aniplex, the company that determined who got it in the UK?:
http://www.wakanim.co.uk/library/animes-1/0/kill-la-kill/ShowEpisodes



Pissed at those who determined that the UK won't get it. I am not mad at Crunchyroll, far from it, cracking bunch. I am just really really disappointed.
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parker203 wrote:

Pissed at those who determined that the UK won't get it. I am not mad at Crunchyroll, far from it, cracking bunch. I am just really really disappointed.

To be fair, the UK did get it (see the link in my previous message), just not via CR.

To me, that is akin to when Funimation grabs a simulcast instead of CR, or back when TAN was still simulcasting and would grab one or more. It often didn't make people that only subscribed to CR very happy, but at least it was still legally available to us (although international users usually got the shaft, especially for simulcasts licensed by Funimation).

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