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Posted 9/22/13 , edited 9/22/13

mendo_shutaro wrote: Ah, insults, where discussions go to die. Classy.


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CR themselves are boasting that Kill La Kill is the biggest show of the season. They should have done whatever it took to get it to all their supported territories. It's their winter tentpole release. Instead we get a very half hearted release which completely omits ALL OF EUROPE.


Which, after all, confirms my previous description of the argument you have presented.

What evidence do you have that Crunchyroll didn't do whatever they could do to get as broad a region as they could? What evidence do you present that they didn't do everything they could do to get the UK?

No evidence ~ zero, zilch, nada, buckley's. Just assuming that "they could have if they wanted to", it seems in order to arrive at a conclusion that lets you be angry at what you yourself imagined that they didn't do.

But in the real wold, we know that Aniplex of America has licensed this title. Aniplex of America is a home video distributor. If Aniplex of America wanted exclusive streaming on their Hulu channel (as Viz often does), then Aniplex of Japan would have given it to them.

Crunchyroll, on the other hand, has a sub-license. Their sub-license can only include streaming rights that the original licenser, Aniplex of America, obtained from Aniplex of Japan.


mendo_shutaro wrote: They need to either step up their game, a lot, or just throw in the towel and get out of Europe completely. Leave the continent to someone who actually gives a damn about it.


"Going from 90% to 100%" = "stepping up their game a lot" in your mind.

So, who is that "someone" that "actually gives a damn" about the UK enough to offer substantially more anime to the UK? Judging by results, Crunchyroll "cares more" about the UK than Anime-on-Demand did, and the UK was all that Anime-on-Demand did.
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Posted 9/22/13
Hoping Hajime no Ippo: Rising and Diamond no Ace get aired through CR this fall. So looking forward to these 2 titles.
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Getting the second season of Magi but not the first feels weird. I'm pretty sure there will a lot of things I will not understand.

I was hoping for Valvrave (I wonder why Sunrise doesn't want my money... oh, well)

Kill la Kill looks interesting. Thank you!!
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Kill la Kill, Valvrave, and Magi. This is going to be one epic fall season. With Valvrave, Kill la Kill, and Naruto all being on the same day means my Thursdays are going to be fucking packed!!!! And then Magi on Sunday? Just hell yes.

And Haruka Tomatsu just continues to surprise me. It seems like every character she plays I just fall in love with unintentionally and without evening knowing its her until I do some research afterwards. Morgiana, Asuna, and Saki Rukino. She just owns.



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I don't understand the point of the region restriction. For a physical release I understand it at least makes products more marketable to their regions due to the different economic rates of the counties but what purpose does it serve on a digital streaming site?

This was the same reason I cut my CR membership before. The only two shows I wanted to watch this season are both unavailable in my region. I hope legal streaming becomes more dominant, and I don't mean legal streaming for just the US. You guys have Funimation, Neon Alley, Hulu, Nick and 100% of shows on Crunchyroll and Daisuki. God damn it.
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Posted 9/23/13

mendo_shutaro wrote:

They need to either step up their game, a lot, or just throw in the towel and get out of Europe completely. Leave the continent to someone who actually gives a damn about it.

Which company would "someone who actually gives a damn about it"?

Except for Daisuki, I don't see any other online streaming company making an effort to offer streaming outside of the U.S. (and sometimes Canada). Despite being owned by a group of anime studios, Daisuki still has similar regional limitations.
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Posted 9/23/13 , edited 9/23/13
Ah thank God. Kill La Kill was on my must watch no matter the cost list.

I'm glad that I don't have to use...er...more questionable sources...to watch this show.
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Posted 9/23/13

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mendo_shutaro wrote: Ah, insults, where discussions go to die. Classy.


Followed by:

CR themselves are boasting that Kill La Kill is the biggest show of the season. They should have done whatever it took to get it to all their supported territories. It's their winter tentpole release. Instead we get a very half hearted release which completely omits ALL OF EUROPE.


Which, after all, confirms my previous description of the argument you have presented.

What evidence do you have that Crunchyroll didn't do whatever they could do to get as broad a region as they could? What evidence do you present that they didn't do everything they could do to get the UK?

No evidence ~ zero, zilch, nada, buckley's. Just assuming that "they could have if they wanted to", it seems in order to arrive at a conclusion that lets you be angry at what you yourself imagined that they didn't do.

But in the real wold, we know that Aniplex of America has licensed this title. Aniplex of America is a home video distributor. If Aniplex of America wanted exclusive streaming on their Hulu channel (as Viz often does), then Aniplex of Japan would have given it to them.

Crunchyroll, on the other hand, has a sub-license. Their sub-license can only include streaming rights that the original licenser, Aniplex of America, obtained from Aniplex of Japan.


mendo_shutaro wrote: They need to either step up their game, a lot, or just throw in the towel and get out of Europe completely. Leave the continent to someone who actually gives a damn about it.


"Going from 90% to 100%" = "stepping up their game a lot" in your mind.

So, who is that "someone" that "actually gives a damn" about the UK enough to offer substantially more anime to the UK? Judging by results, Crunchyroll "cares more" about the UK than Anime-on-Demand did, and the UK was all that Anime-on-Demand did.


The evidence I have that CR aren't trying is by the large number of shows which aren't available in the UK. Of course if they were transparent about it, and told their paying customers why they haven't bothered to license things in Europe, it would at least, be a start. As it is all we get is the VERY familiar error message telling paying customers that they live in the wrong continent.

Your claim of 90% of shows being available in the UK doesn't tally with my experience. I run into the 'not available in your region' error a LOT. I'd be interested to know what the actual figure is, but based purely upon my experience, I'd say the actual number is closer to 50%.

The problem I see with a large player like CR dabbling in the international market is this - their presence puts off others from getting into the EU market. Can you imagine trying to drum up investment for a new streaming company or venture, only to be met with "but what if CR buys shows X, Y, and Z, then we won't be able to compete. It's not worth the risk". Of course in reality CR probably won't license shows X, Y, or Z, but the fear of them throwing their weight around must be there.

They need to either get better, or get out, and leave the EU to someone else. At this point, I'd sooner it was the latter.
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Posted 9/23/13

TheAncientOne wrote:


mendo_shutaro wrote:

They need to either step up their game, a lot, or just throw in the towel and get out of Europe completely. Leave the continent to someone who actually gives a damn about it.

Which company would "someone who actually gives a damn about it"?

Except for Daisuki, I don't see any other online streaming company making an effort to offer streaming outside of the U.S. (and sometimes Canada). Despite being owned by a group of anime studios, Daisuki still has similar regional limitations.


If CR were to leave the UK/EU market, then it would allow others to fill the gap, and perhaps do it better. A risk perhaps, but the status quo is very unsatisfactory.
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Posted 9/23/13

mendo_shutaro wrote:


agila61 wrote:



"Going from 90% to 100%" = "stepping up their game a lot" in your mind.

So, who is that "someone" that "actually gives a damn" about the UK enough to offer substantially more anime to the UK? Judging by results, Crunchyroll "cares more" about the UK than Anime-on-Demand did, and the UK was all that Anime-on-Demand did.


The evidence I have that CR aren't trying is by the large number of shows which aren't available in the UK. Of course if they were transparent about it, and told their paying customers why they haven't bothered to license things in Europe, it would at least, be a start. As it is all we get is the VERY familiar error message telling paying customers that they live in the wrong continent.

Your claim of 90% of shows being available in the UK doesn't tally with my experience. I run into the 'not available in your region' error a LOT. I'd be interested to know what the actual figure is, but based purely upon my experience, I'd say the actual number is closer to 50%.



When agila61 and I talk about appox. 90%, we mean simulcasts. Since Crunchyroll doesn't have a relationship with UK companies such as Anime Limited, Manga UK or MVM, , it would be unreasonable to think they could get catalog titles with the same percentages the UK gets with simulcasts. As you should know, catalog titles often come from companies that only have North American rights to offer. Now if Manga UK or MVM want to step up to the plate and start offering what they have to expand catalog titles to the UK more often, then I suspect you may be happy with that outcome. But it is up to you to put the pressure on companies like Anime Limited, Manga UK or MVM to look at putting some of their catalog titles on Crunchyroll for UK audiences.

And while we're on the subject, Japanese companies don't license to the whole of the European Union. To them, the EU is a bunch of smaller regions like the British Isles(UK & Eire), the Iberian Penisula(Spain & Portugal), The Netherlands, Scandinava(Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland), etc. Crunchyroll leads the way in legal streaming services to try to get as much content in as much territories as they can. Daisuki despite their worldwide claims has not had the regions to back that up yet.

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I was looking forward to Kill la Kill here but alas no UK, however I am still hopefull for Daisuki (their youtube page anyway because their player is unusable) because it's no secret that Bakemonogatari (an Aniplex of America title) is not available in the UK here but was made available thanks to Daisuki so as long as we get it over here in some form I have no problems (god knows what happend to Anime on Demand they fell silent over the summer season for reasons that haven't been explained).

Also Valvrave season 2? I've been looking forward to this since the end of season 1.

I'm still rather hopeful for the upcoming announcements since there seems to be a lot of good anime for the Fall season.
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Honestly, I'm a relatively recent customer to Crunchyroll, and wouldn't know if it's their fault or not. I guess maybe distributors/producers can be stubborn too. Seeing Kill La Kill's pedigree, it is clearly the most hyped up show this season, and of course Crunchyroll states only the obvious when it presents it this way. They even delayed the announcement of the regions, meaning they waited until the last moment, maybe because they were still bargaining. I also thought that this could be related to what happened with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann - same people, though different production house, no European rights. Either way, I don't necessarily blame Crunchyroll - but yeah, I do think the system is messed up. I can't pay for multiple subscriptions every month, and surely I won't buy DVDs for a series without seeing it first.
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What about Kuroko's Basketball? Will Crunchyroll air the second season as a simulcast? I thought it is supposed to start in several days.
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Posted 9/23/13

vmbello wrote:

What about Kuroko's Basketball? Will Crunchyroll air the second season as a simulcast? I thought it is supposed to start in several days.

It is still almost 2 weeks away. It premieres at 1:58 AM on October 6 in Japan (which would be around mid-day on October 5 in the United States).

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vmbello wrote:

What about Kuroko's Basketball? Will Crunchyroll air the second season as a simulcast? I thought it is supposed to start in several days.

It is still almost 2 weeks away. It premieres at 1:58 AM on October 6 in Japan (which would be around mid-day on October 5 in the United States).



Thanks for that! I've been looking forward to it.
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