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Attack on Titan's main hooker is shock factor. It's the main focus. The world is very interesting, but I wouldn't say it fits neatly together like a well pieced jigsaw puzzle. The anime has its ups and downs, and the shock factor is great when they kill off a character you just stat getting attached to.. I personally like shock factors.

Attack on titan, though, is not a show that is marathon-able. The gore, depressing nature of the story and shock factor can only be taken so much in one sitting. This series is better watched weekly than in one whole sitting. I suggest to people who are waiting to watch this show to not bother waiting for the whole series to finish so they can watch it in one go, and just start on it and take it a few chunks at a time. This show was hard to watch, because while the shock level was what was keeping me interested, the gore and disturbing repeated imagery, and pacing, was on the level of Gantz. A show that's story was slow, but the repeated horror factor made it hard to swallow.

The series is god-tier in shock factor, but over all it has a lot of work. It's not a complete story yet and I can't put this show into god-tier levels as a whole. It's an entertaining watch but I am not going to say that a person would be living under a rock for avoiding the anime. I suggest to people who want to start this series to try the manga first. Having it be a quick read, and you can adjust your pacing on how fast you read it. If you still like the premise, give the anime a shot. I find this a very fair opinion.

Oh and the anime did an excellent job on the adaptation. We'll just have to see if it garners a second season, or the studio will just create an original ending. A show can not be truly judged until it has ended. What makes or breaks the series from being god-tier is the ending. It won't make the show crap, but it can decide its epic levels.
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I still don't like it. I'm still watching it thinking it will grow into something more, but no. We are two(?) episodes away from the end, and I still don't feel like I care about any of the things on screen at all. I want to like it though, don't get me wrong. It's just that none of the characters in the show does it for me. I don't like them. I don't care if they die(except potato girl). Eren, Mikasa, Whiny-kid. No, no, no. Just die already. It's also damn slow. The pacing is brutal. I like the world and the setting. The first intro was epic. The music overall is decent. But come on, it's over-hyped. I wanted much more than I've gotten so far. The first couple of episodes were really effective. I almost shat my pants when we first see the that über-sized titan behind Eren atop the wall. God, it was good. But now, I'm bored. Sorry. Glad it's almost over. I'm glad people enjoy it, but there's so many other shows they should see before this one.

Score: 2,5/5


I actually agree... Except for the music. They never should've changed that 1st OP
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its basically one of the best anime ive ever seen as its really different to what we use to see nowadays
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"Give me an answer in one line why this show is awesome"

Well, sorry but That's a silly request. It just is. Life isn't twitter.

I reviewed AOT but I did so in a way that avoided as much as possible spoilers, because I think as someone else said one of the main hooks of this show is to know as little as possible before hand and get freaked out by the graphic death shown. I think this is why the reviews on the actual show are so generic, nobody wants to give away anything.

However that's not why I still watch it. If it was I would have stopped at season 1.

Now, this is for those of us who have watched it. The below might ruin the show a bit for you because it has precise examples from the show.

The appeal FOR ME of this show is how they take a situation that is way outside the norm and use it basically as a treatise on humanity as a whole.

We have a situation where humanity is now cattle in a pen, nothing more. The whole world has been taken away from them and they must basically hide inside a giant fort, or die immediately.

The author uses this to show us many different parts of society in a harsh bright light, The majority of humanity pretends that the titans don't exist and hide behind the walls. A Tiny part fights against the titans, and in one of the early episodes they do something very interesting, one of the things that really hooked me.

We have the first appearance of the scouts. Yeah im bad with names, the only guys who actively leave and try to fight back. They come back with something like 60%+ losses and they bring back just pieces for the families of the soldiers. A Mother asks "Did my sons death advance the cause of humanity".

The answer is no.

That's a very real answer. It set this show apart from almost every other show I could think of. Not "He died like a man". Not "We will make them pay and each death brings it closer to a resolution". Just....No. You get a feel right there for just how futile it is to fight giant insta regenerating monster men.

And again we see pieces of the human soul bared. Some are dead in the eyes, some are frozen, some go into denial....and some, a very small amount, fight furiously against odds that are over 100% for death.

This to me is humanity shown in an honest way. As you go on you see greed, corruption, sloth, cowardice, and you see people who are maybe not the best and brightest rise up and try...and die.

And he shows something else that's extremely true: If you try to bury your head in the sand against an evolutionary or environmental global force, that force will eventually and in this case literally leave your head in the hole as it eats your ass. He shows that with the destruction and opening of the walls. And again he shows small quick bright lights of courage flickering and dying to keep the greater portion of humanity alive as much as possible. All through real history this has been shown to be a real thing that happens, and I personally think he does a really good job showing that the humans who are doing that aren't epic heroes facing adversity without shitting themselves.

Oh theres no character development wha wha wha.

OK lets consider that. This show gives us just enough character development to feel a little something for a person when they go. Think realistically about the situation. Any time these people go into battle the majority of the people in the party DIE. This isn't tea party land. Its titan land. The people who chose to fight, and this is said more than once, have an extremely short life span once they do. Learning their favorite color, whether they dress right or left, the name of their childhood dog...that would be just stupid for this anime to do.

90% of these people are for lack of a better allegory Star Trek Red Shirts. They are there to die as horribly as possible to give us a good strong feeling for just how hopeless the situation is.

And yes some little part of humanity fights back. Eren, Armin, Mikasa, Et Al Fight back.

Eren got eaten once already, they make it very clear that no character is safe from dying. Would I like It if we had a bit more of say Mikasa's backstory, sure. Why not. Levi's? Sure.

But in this case character development doesn't really push the story forward. As far as Im concerned this is a story about the big picture, humanity as a whole and how it deals with Titanity as a whole.

We are watching one tiny little pack of white blood cells furiously trying to kill off a cancer.

And I like that.



So, onto another point:

"The show was overhyped so I didn't watch it"

What??? So to many people liked it and I would lose my emo loner cred if I watched it? I cant be the smartest guy in the room if I like what everyone else likes. Im gonna say the best show is this one over here that I hand drew in crayon and made a flip book out of. That way nobody else could hype it up and I can look all cool and mysterious.

And lasty:

Gintama
Hunter X Hunter
Space Brothers

3 shows I like a tiny bit more than AOT. But if you look all 4 are pretty different. All can easily live side by side without me repeating a story line. I don't understand the obsession with everyone having to be either a breast beating fanboi or a crusader against all that is poopy in AOT.

Its a good show. I would personally say its an excellent show that uses heavy amounts of gore to underscore some interesting and I think true things about the human condition. If you look at it and only see the horror, that's cool too.

Now take this stupid overblown thread off the top of this forum and tell me what else is coming out this fall already
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jolot wrote:

I still don't like it. I'm still watching it thinking it will grow into something more, but no. We are two(?) episodes away from the end, and I still don't feel like I care about any of the things on screen at all. I want to like it though, don't get me wrong. It's just that none of the characters in the show does it for me. I don't like them. I don't care if they die(except potato girl). Eren, Mikasa, Whiny-kid. No, no, no. Just die already. It's also damn slow. The pacing is brutal. I like the world and the setting. The first intro was epic. The music overall is decent. But come on, it's over-hyped. I wanted much more than I've gotten so far. The first couple of episodes were really effective. I almost shat my pants when we first see the that über-sized titan behind Eren atop the wall. God, it was good. But now, I'm bored. Sorry. Glad it's almost over. I'm glad people enjoy it, but there's so many other shows they should see before this one.

Score: 2,5/5


I actually agree... Except for the music. They never should've changed that 1st OP


The first one was awesome, I agree. But the second one ain't that bad really. I enjoy it each episode. The first one blew up so much on Youtube that I got kinda tired of it after a while.
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I'm actually quite amazed it's still on the front page. Promoting a show with a total lack of substance in the promotion material and a boat of gimmicks rather than actually giving people a reason to watch attack on titan. A guy on wikipedia did it better than the first post. That's pretty darn sad that an anime site is being beaten in review quality by an information site.


Have you seen the "most helpful" review on the show's user-reviews page? It says virtually nothing about the show; it's actually kind of impressive how generic it is. It says that the show is based on a shonen manga, has 3 main characters, and will have 25 episodes (which is wrong). In all other respects, it could be a review of pretty much anything. It doesn't mention any of the characters' names or personalities, anything about the plot or setting... My favorite part is where it describes the characters' backstories as "quite good/surprising/original."

It seems like this show has drawn in a hefty contingent of the sort of people who don't know or care what they actually like, but are sure to enjoy something if enough people tell them it's good, and likely to throw vague taunts at people who don't like it. Maybe that's too cynical? Tons of the fans are certainly acting this way, at any rate.

There are plenty of things to like about Attack on Titan, but an awful lot of fans seem to think its awesomeness is self-evident. Just because it's like that for some people doesn't mean it's the same way for everyone else--or that it should be.
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Have you seen the "most helpful" review on the show's user-reviews page? It says virtually nothing about the show; it's actually kind of impressive how generic it is. It says that the show is based on a shonen manga, has 3 main characters, and will have 25 episodes (which is wrong). In all other respects, it could be a review of pretty much anything. It doesn't mention any of the characters' names or personalities, anything about the plot or setting... My favorite part is where it describes the characters' backstories as "quite good/surprising/original."

It seems like this show has drawn in a hefty contingent of the sort of people who don't know or care what they actually like, but are sure to enjoy something if enough people tell them it's good, and likely to throw vague taunts at people who don't like it. Maybe that's too cynical? Tons of the fans are certainly acting this way, at any rate.

There are plenty of things to like about Attack on Titan, but an awful lot of fans seem to think its awesomeness is self-evident. Just because it's like that for some people doesn't mean it's the same way for everyone else--or that it should be.


You know there's something else that makes me laugh a whole lot.

keikawa said he had a conversation with anime people, and when they said they haven't seen Attack on Titan yet... he didn't tell them why and instead passed out for 3 minutes then abandoned them. He then inflicted this upon other staff members who also didn't bother to ask the question. Why didn't he tell them a good reason to watch it?

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Spomyjiny wrote:

I actually agree... Except for the music. They never should've changed that 1st OP

At the moment, I can't think of any two cour series where I preferred the second OP over the first. I don't know whether it is the first exposure effect, or if they choose the best OP to go first, or something else.

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AnimeAustin wrote:

Reasons to not watch the show found when the show became Titan on Titan.


Oh please. over 480 minutes of AOT so far and less than 90 of that involved Titan on Titan action.

There will be more of it in Season 2, most likely, but not enough to justify calling it that at all. The majority of what you see still involve People vs Titan and talking, and more talking. Oh and flashbacks.

There seems to be a lot of people directly or indirectly bashing the show without knowing much about it nor do they care to understand the show. Judging something in ignorance is misleading to others who might like it.

I think I've seen a grand total of 3 valid opinions on why the show isn't great or worth the hype, and sadly, I agree with most of the points in those posts, but despite that, I still enjoy the show for what it is.


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They... They used a Marco head for a half head...
THIS IS NOT OKAY! ;_;
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90% of these people are for lack of a better allegory Star Trek Red Shirts. They are there to die as horribly as possible to give us a good strong feeling for just how hopeless the situation is.



jgilman, your comment made me laugh, mainly because I have used that comparison for something else recently.

I had been reading the Attack on Titan manga for a couple years prior to the anime coming out, kinda the same boat as I was in with Sword Art Online.
I went into both of these animes with pretty high expectations, which is usually a bad thing considering that old analogy "the book is better than the movie". While I was happy with the job done with SAO, I have been absolutely thrilled with AoT.

I have been extremely happy that the anime has been true to the manga.
People have complained that the anime drags in places and then in the next breath say there isn't enough character development...you can't have character development without backstory. And unfortunately not every character is going to have a backstory like Mikasa - it isn't all action, suspense, murder and mayhem.
The slower parts of the anime are because the plot is being forwarded - this anime has action and adventure in spades, but it is also somewhat of a drama and mystery rolled in.I think there is plenty of character development although it may be more subtle and less substantial than other anime's - as someone else posted, you aren't going to learn the character's favorite colors, it isn't important to the story and won't necessarily invest you in the character. It also would be superfluous and would make the story drag more than some people think it already does...
Personally, I think the anime has a great pace. You learn just enough about most of the main characters to be able to sympathize with their plight - to be happy for their accomplishments and sad when one of them dies.
Or be excited when they actually make it and don't get eaten, or even appalled at what some of the characters are capable of.
All the while you are trying to figure out who the real "bad guys" are. And while the Titans are the main protagonists, they most definitely aren't the sinister villain in this anime that we have yet to be introduced to.

I think there is much more story to come, and with the graphic artistry displayed thus far, I am super content to finish out this season and look forward to the next season (hopefully sooner than later, but the manga needs to get further ahead I think, which is probably going to cause a wait).

Rating: 4.85 / 5 - nothing is perfect (but if they had left the first intro, I would have given them the other 0.15).
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People have complained that the anime drags in places and then in the next breath say there isn't enough character development...you can't have character development without backstory. And unfortunately not every character is going to have a backstory like Mikasa - it isn't all action, suspense, murder and mayhem.
The slower parts of the anime are because the plot is being forwarded - this anime has action and adventure in spades, but it is also somewhat of a drama and mystery rolled in.I think there is plenty of character development although it may be more subtle and less substantial than other anime's - as someone else posted, you aren't going to learn the character's favorite colors, it isn't important to the story and won't necessarily invest you in the character. It also would be superfluous and would make the story drag more than some people think it already does...
Personally, I think the anime has a great pace. You learn just enough about most of the main characters to be able to sympathize with their plight - to be happy for their accomplishments and sad when one of them dies.


I mentioned this once if I recall correctly, but the episode with Mikasa's backstory was poorly timed. I felt like I was suddenly watching a special episode. The episode itself wasn't bad, but I feel like that episode should have been put in earlier in the series to smooth out the pace. I don't have much of a problem with a slow pace. I just feel like the series go from a slow pace to a fast pace in rapid succession. It's like riding a car where the driver floors the gas and then floors the brake and does this over and over again. The pace of Attack on Titan feels like that so much that it can cause carsickness. While that was exaggerated, I think Mikasa's backstory should have been in episode 4 when we learn just how much Mikasa is attached to Eren. At that point, we learn why Mikasa clings to Eren so much.

I hope that made sense.

In terms of character development, I feel like Jean is the only one with substantial development. When I think of character development, I don't think of learning about the characters. That is easy to achieve in those mid points of each episode. When I think of character development, I think of how a character would react to something at one point of the story and think if they would react the same way if that something happened later in the story.
As such, character development is thus:
Eren: starts as a violent and loud brat. Into episode 24, he is still a violent and loud brat that is now overgrown. Development? Nada.
Mikasa: I will forfeit the lack of character development on this one. While she starts and stays clung to Eren, her backstory provides a very definitive reason for why. I'll let this one fly.
Armin: starts as a wimpy brainiac who thinks he is worthless. Halfway in, he stays that way. Late into the series, he stays wimpy and, while he doesn't think he is worthless anymore, he still overly discredits himself. Development? Almost nonexistent.

There you go. The three main characters. While I give Mikasa the pass, the bottom line is that even the main characters are failing to develop.
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I'll watch when the hype dies down. What turned me off originally was the manga which has to be one of the more badly drawn manga I've seen. (And I read a lot!) The anime really saved the manga.
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Okay, so I never thought I'd find myself partaking in banter about whether an anime is good or not but I guess I will. I'm just going to go out and say it, I personally can really appreciate the show a lot. However this may be a result of me not trying to find critiques or being overly analytical about it in the first place, I'm simply being a consumer, I'm watching the show and taking it for what it is. When you start deconstructing everything it no longer is as entertaining and everything can be seen as repetitive if you look too far into it.

I'm not going to lie to you, so I'll say it. Most of you guys (from both sides) are coming across as pompous, elitist bigots in some form or another. It's really a shame to see people from both sides act like little kids unable to agree to disagree, it's going absolutely nowhere, no I take that back, the thread is degrading into insulting people who both like it and dislike it. Calling them ill-informed, not intelligent, or their living under a rock.

Get over yourselves. Not everyone is going to be riding the Attack on Titan train chanting immense praise of the greatness of the show, and not everyone is going to agree that the show is an overhyped walloping pile of crap. End of Story

Now while I do have my own opinions, I'll refrain from posting them for the sake of not having an angry guy miles and miles away from me post about how stupid I am and how I am in ignorance of what is the ONE TRUTH as perceived by one of many people on this planet.

You're all entitled to like it or not like it, however you're not entitled to degrade other people for liking it or not liking it. By doing so you essentially just make your so called "intelligent" arguments look like you trying to get on some power trip about how you and your opinions are superior, due to in-depth reasoning. I can reason just the same about how I like it but the problem is you won't agree with my reasoning because you don't like the things I liked in the first place.

Now please remember I'm addressing both those who stand starkly in the defense of the show and those who berate it (and the people who degrade others from both sides.)

Just thought I'd put my 2cents, you're inclined to disagree, but please whatever you do stop calling people names and degrading them it's only embarrassing you further.

Thanks! :)


tl;dr: pls be nice guys


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Beautiful post, Paddie. A true otaku.
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