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@ Eclipsed_Oblivion: 4 of 5

That is a really harsh rating for this anime. I've been waiting for something as good as AOT for a very long while. This is why I love anime and I honestly cannot think of the last time that a storyline has hooked me the way this one has. I am even willing to rate it somewhat above TTGL.

That much said I must admit I fully agree with your commentary. There are indeed some weak spots that could use a bit of review but still, what a story. I have read a reply or two that expressed some disappointment and that is a legitimate position to take, if you have tried AOT for yourself. Not every anime is to every fan's individual taste but this one is special. My taste in anime yields a favorites list that includes: Grave of the Fireflies, Now and Then, Here and There, 5 Centimeters Per Second, Spice and Wolf, Voices of a Distant Star, Banner of the Stars, Durarara and others. I think that the good stuff should be served with a bit of, "think about it" and that always rates more than 4 of 5. If you think 4.5 might be too much to proffer at this point let's agree that AOT is most certainly somewhat above 4.25 and less than 5 and I will humbly accept your critique of the weaknesses of this series, up to this point in the story. A rating of 4 is just wrong in this case.
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90% of these people are for lack of a better allegory Star Trek Red Shirts. They are there to die as horribly as possible to give us a good strong feeling for just how hopeless the situation is.



jgilman, your comment made me laugh, mainly because I have used that comparison for something else recently.



Glad I gave ya a chuckle. Taking oneself too seriously leads to brain herpes. Truth.

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How about asking the publishers to make this anime available in all countries, especially the countries where this is never gonna be broadcasted.

I love this anime, but have to rely on fansubs to be able to watch it, which I'm thankfull that Fansubs exists.
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Still a boring Anime, to Zombie like which seems to be all the craze nowadays boring as always
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jgilman wrote:


Tarya wrote:


jgilman wrote:


90% of these people are for lack of a better allegory Star Trek Red Shirts. They are there to die as horribly as possible to give us a good strong feeling for just how hopeless the situation is.



jgilman, your comment made me laugh, mainly because I have used that comparison for something else recently.



Glad I gave ya a chuckle. Taking oneself too seriously leads to brain herpes. Truth.



So that's what's wrong with half the people I work with. Brain herpes, huh? Sounds scary...
Is it communicable?
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People have complained that the anime drags in places and then in the next breath say there isn't enough character development...you can't have character development without backstory. And unfortunately not every character is going to have a backstory like Mikasa - it isn't all action, suspense, murder and mayhem.
The slower parts of the anime are because the plot is being forwarded - this anime has action and adventure in spades, but it is also somewhat of a drama and mystery rolled in.I think there is plenty of character development although it may be more subtle and less substantial than other anime's - as someone else posted, you aren't going to learn the character's favorite colors, it isn't important to the story and won't necessarily invest you in the character. It also would be superfluous and would make the story drag more than some people think it already does...
Personally, I think the anime has a great pace. You learn just enough about most of the main characters to be able to sympathize with their plight - to be happy for their accomplishments and sad when one of them dies.


I mentioned this once if I recall correctly, but the episode with Mikasa's backstory was poorly timed. I felt like I was suddenly watching a special episode. The episode itself wasn't bad, but I feel like that episode should have been put in earlier in the series to smooth out the pace. I don't have much of a problem with a slow pace. I just feel like the series go from a slow pace to a fast pace in rapid succession. It's like riding a car where the driver floors the gas and then floors the brake and does this over and over again. The pace of Attack on Titan feels like that so much that it can cause carsickness. While that was exaggerated, I think Mikasa's backstory should have been in episode 4 when we learn just how much Mikasa is attached to Eren. At that point, we learn why Mikasa clings to Eren so much.

I hope that made sense.

In terms of character development, I feel like Jean is the only one with substantial development. When I think of character development, I don't think of learning about the characters. That is easy to achieve in those mid points of each episode. When I think of character development, I think of how a character would react to something at one point of the story and think if they would react the same way if that something happened later in the story.
As such, character development is thus:
Eren: starts as a violent and loud brat. Into episode 24, he is still a violent and loud brat that is now overgrown. Development? Nada.
Mikasa: I will forfeit the lack of character development on this one. While she starts and stays clung to Eren, her backstory provides a very definitive reason for why. I'll let this one fly.
Armin: starts as a wimpy brainiac who thinks he is worthless. Halfway in, he stays that way. Late into the series, he stays wimpy and, while he doesn't think he is worthless anymore, he still overly discredits himself. Development? Almost nonexistent.

There you go. The three main characters. While I give Mikasa the pass, the bottom line is that even the main characters are failing to develop.


I wasn't directing my comments at anyone in particular, so I hope you didn't take it that way...
I will say that my opinion of the character development is quite different from yours though.

For Eren: I felt we see him start as a know-it-all kid (aren't we all?) who thinks that we shouldn't be hiding behind the walls, that society is keeping them down, he believes that the Titan threat may be gone or not exist at all and that humans potential is being slighted.
Then we see him as a younger child. He is helping his father, he seems quiet, well behaved, and well enough liked - his father seems to be respected, and holds a higher position in their small community. We then see in Mikasa's backstory that Eren is extremely capable and may have a hero complex -
. But we get a sense that he strongly believes in justice and knows right from wrong and that he doesn't see anything wrong with taking matters into his own hands. We also see that he is brave, impulsive, and reckless to the point of sacrificing himself for someone else - these traits persist as he gets older.
Skip forward, and now you have the Titan attack,
, and he realizes how puny humans really are and how he was unable to help. He has underlying feelings of guilt along with rage. He wants revenge, and his hero complex resurfaces and he feels he needs to help all of humanity and thinks he can undertake it himself. He also doesn't want anyone else to be hurt and cares deeply for Mikasa and Armin and tries to convince them not to become soldiers with him.
Once they graduate from school, you see that his personality has changed a little more. He still obstinately wants to be a hero, but he has had his share of being pounded during his training. He comes to respect others and realize that he may not be stronger than everyone around him. He also becomes more charismatic and able to argue his reasoning for wanting to free humanity from the shackles of the Titans and provide a clearer reason he wants to be a scout.

He evolves further as he becomes
and something he hates. You see him scared and disgusted. He then has to learn to harness and use his powers, but he harbors fears of hurting people or making incorrect decisions. He doesn't like relying on others, but has to learn to listen, obey, and ultimately trust his superiors and teammates. He comes to respect Levi and learns that sometimes no matter the planning, or trusting your comrades and their decisions, you never know the outcome.

Gonna stop here and not going to go into the others (although I think Mikasa's character is the most flat of the three main characters)...

Everybody can agree to disagree though, it is all perception anyways.
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What a pointless entry. Shingeki is a good series and all but it's not the greatest thing since slice bread. Oh well, society seems to love hyping whatever is popular anyway and making it off as absolutely perfect.
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It is. But its easily avoidable. Just look for the warning signs, for example: person 1 drives a prius.

Person 2 drives a prius and makes sure to tell you they drive a prius.

Person 2 has teh brain herpes and needs feeding to a tian.
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I am even willing to rate it somewhat above TTGL.


As a bit of a tangent, an honest, not-meant-to-be-snarky question: what's so great about Gurren Lagann? I agree that AoT is somewhat better... but I'd also give Lagann about a 3/5. There seems to be a lot of overlap between fans of that show and fans of AoT, so I imagine it's hyper-popular for largely the same reasons. But I'd summarize both as "entertaining, but meaningless and unengaging."

Even though I already did it early in the season, I don't see any point in picking apart this show for its flaws anymore (though it has plenty), because, well, I just don't really care. It's not good enough or even potentially good enough to be worth criticizing, and it's not bad enough to be worth shredding to pieces. Same with Gurren Lagann. So, what's the big deal? What makes these shows special? Something about the characters? The energeticness? I feel like I'm missing something here. Everything I see people praise it for has been done much better in other shows, sometimes other shows that are airing as we speak...
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This is pretty much standard fare for anything that has a degree of popularity. One side claims it's the greatest creation in the history of mankind, and the epitome of perfection. Another side will claim that it's over-hyped and overrated, with very little redeeming value or substance. It doesn't matter what form of media it is; polarized opinions are always going to be there, and generally the ones that fall somewhere in between are the most representative of the work's merit.

For my part, I started watched AoT at the suggestion of a good friend of mine, who told me it was pretty good. I didn't read any reviews beforehand, neither have I read the manga, but my impression up to this point is this: AoT is neither flawless, nor is it overrated, but I do think that it's a great, solid series.

The characters are nicely varied in their design and appearance. From Mikasa, to Eren, to Sasha, to Reiner, you see a variety of facial features, bone structure, etc. I find the art-style appealing, and the animation is crisp. I love the way the 3D Maneuver Gear is portrayed (especially those stylish spin-slashes the elites are fond of using).

Personality-wise, the characters ( by anime standards) are very believable; they tend to be relatively three-dimensional in expressing a realistic array of emotions. Fear, bravery, cautiousness, and so on are passed around to practically all of the major and supporting characters, and they react to situations in a manner that is realistic for trained, yet inexperienced young soldiers. Combine this with the ignorance and helplessness of the common people, the cold efficiency of those in command (Erwin is a nice example), and it all seems to come together nicely.

Another thing I like about it is that the sense of danger is absolutely enormous. No character is truly safe from meeting a gruesome end at the hand of the Titans, even those that become somewhat developed over the course of the story. You can never really be sure who will make it back alive and who won't (this applies even to those that have close calls), and that uncertainty is a necessity in the post-apocalyptic thriller setting that AoT has constructed. When characters triumph, it truly feels like triumph, and when they fail, the hopelessness of the situation is usually driven home very effectively, but you're never quite sure which is going to be which until the very last moment. Uncertainty is its lifeblood, and I think this series does it well.

Speaking of uncertainty, the flow of the plot is neither predictable nor hackneyed. What we essentially get are bits and pieces for us to snag onto that keep us engaged, but the bigger picture is still mostly a mystery, even as we near episode 25. We're almost always left wondering, unsure of exactly where things will go next or how they will get there, which keeps me coming back for it week after week.

It does have its share of issues, however. The somewhat-inconsistent pacing is something that I've seen mentioned, which I do agree with completely. Some episodes are so gripping that they feel as though their length were reduced to 5 minutes, whereas others that focus too intently on internal monologues tend to drag a bit. Also, some characters could be a bit further developed (most of the rookies come to mind), but I'm sure that will come later on. Overall though, I would say that AoT's strengths mostly overshadow its weaknesses, and I would submit that it is deserving of its popularity. Also, I LOVE the second OP.
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My best friend recommended this anime series to me and I had my doubts and then I was bored and wanted to watch anime so I made a sub on here and after watching Sword Art Online I decided I'd watch Attack On Titan to see why my friend liked it and I found out why. Basically 99% of things he likes I like as well and this show has gore, good acting, nice anime style (not cute 8 year old stuff), and nice music in the background. Reminds me of watching DBZ back in the day getting very anxious to see the next episode.

I don't care for other opinions, watch shows that are most popular or anything of the sort. I watch this show because I personally love it and to me AoT is AMAZING.

I believe they did so many things right in this show like making the main character get the crap kicked out of him instead of making him the most skilled human alive in one fight, etc.

Gonna be very sad when the series ends but I hope it doesn't get stretched out more than it needs to and kills it. I have no idea where this show is going to go at the moment and certain things are still unclear to me as to what the main goal is of the female titan but I will find out in due time
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Tarya wrote:


meowmeow418 wrote:


Tarya wrote:

People have complained that the anime drags in places and then in the next breath say there isn't enough character development...you can't have character development without backstory. And unfortunately not every character is going to have a backstory like Mikasa - it isn't all action, suspense, murder and mayhem.
The slower parts of the anime are because the plot is being forwarded - this anime has action and adventure in spades, but it is also somewhat of a drama and mystery rolled in.I think there is plenty of character development although it may be more subtle and less substantial than other anime's - as someone else posted, you aren't going to learn the character's favorite colors, it isn't important to the story and won't necessarily invest you in the character. It also would be superfluous and would make the story drag more than some people think it already does...
Personally, I think the anime has a great pace. You learn just enough about most of the main characters to be able to sympathize with their plight - to be happy for their accomplishments and sad when one of them dies.


I mentioned this once if I recall correctly, but the episode with Mikasa's backstory was poorly timed. I felt like I was suddenly watching a special episode. The episode itself wasn't bad, but I feel like that episode should have been put in earlier in the series to smooth out the pace. I don't have much of a problem with a slow pace. I just feel like the series go from a slow pace to a fast pace in rapid succession. It's like riding a car where the driver floors the gas and then floors the brake and does this over and over again. The pace of Attack on Titan feels like that so much that it can cause carsickness. While that was exaggerated, I think Mikasa's backstory should have been in episode 4 when we learn just how much Mikasa is attached to Eren. At that point, we learn why Mikasa clings to Eren so much.

I hope that made sense.

In terms of character development, I feel like Jean is the only one with substantial development. When I think of character development, I don't think of learning about the characters. That is easy to achieve in those mid points of each episode. When I think of character development, I think of how a character would react to something at one point of the story and think if they would react the same way if that something happened later in the story.
As such, character development is thus:
Eren: starts as a violent and loud brat. Into episode 24, he is still a violent and loud brat that is now overgrown. Development? Nada.
Mikasa: I will forfeit the lack of character development on this one. While she starts and stays clung to Eren, her backstory provides a very definitive reason for why. I'll let this one fly.
Armin: starts as a wimpy brainiac who thinks he is worthless. Halfway in, he stays that way. Late into the series, he stays wimpy and, while he doesn't think he is worthless anymore, he still overly discredits himself. Development? Almost nonexistent.

There you go. The three main characters. While I give Mikasa the pass, the bottom line is that even the main characters are failing to develop.


I wasn't directing my comments at anyone in particular, so I hope you didn't take it that way...
I will say that my opinion of the character development is quite different from yours though.

For Eren: I felt we see him start as a know-it-all kid (aren't we all?) who thinks that we shouldn't be hiding behind the walls, that society is keeping them down, he believes that the Titan threat may be gone or not exist at all and that humans potential is being slighted.
Then we see him as a younger child. He is helping his father, he seems quiet, well behaved, and well enough liked - his father seems to be respected, and holds a higher position in their small community. We then see in Mikasa's backstory that Eren is extremely capable and may have a hero complex -
. But we get a sense that he strongly believes in justice and knows right from wrong and that he doesn't see anything wrong with taking matters into his own hands. We also see that he is brave, impulsive, and reckless to the point of sacrificing himself for someone else - these traits persist as he gets older.
Skip forward, and now you have the Titan attack,
, and he realizes how puny humans really are and how he was unable to help. He has underlying feelings of guilt along with rage. He wants revenge, and his hero complex resurfaces and he feels he needs to help all of humanity and thinks he can undertake it himself. He also doesn't want anyone else to be hurt and cares deeply for Mikasa and Armin and tries to convince them not to become soldiers with him.
Once they graduate from school, you see that his personality has changed a little more. He still obstinately wants to be a hero, but he has had his share of being pounded during his training. He comes to respect others and realize that he may not be stronger than everyone around him. He also becomes more charismatic and able to argue his reasoning for wanting to free humanity from the shackles of the Titans and provide a clearer reason he wants to be a scout.

He evolves further as he becomes
and something he hates. You see him scared and disgusted. He then has to learn to harness and use his powers, but he harbors fears of hurting people or making incorrect decisions. He doesn't like relying on others, but has to learn to listen, obey, and ultimately trust his superiors and teammates. He comes to respect Levi and learns that sometimes no matter the planning, or trusting your comrades and their decisions, you never know the outcome.

Gonna stop here and not going to go into the others (although I think Mikasa's character is the most flat of the three main characters)...

Everybody can agree to disagree though, it is all perception anyways.


As far as Eren goes, you've got a point that I'll concede. It's probably because I just don't like Eren. You are right about Mikasa being the most flat of the main characters, but I was actually perfectly fine with that because there is a reason for it.
In any case, having a debate with you will be rewarding, so I want to ask you about the other points I made. Let's start with Armin. How did he develop?
Also, what do you think of the pacing after my reasoning? I'm just curious to know what you think. Don't be afraid to criticize every point I make. Just don't turn it into insults .
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Um, yes.

AoT is my life.

Since I started with the anime, I've decided to stick to the anime and not venture off into the manga. So waiting for season 2 will be like the wait I must got through every week for a new episode times a gazillion.

What's even better is I watch it with my boyfriend and we have such thought provoking debates about who's what and what's really going on in the story, it's the only time we really have a serious discussion hahahaha.

I've been waiting for an anime like AoT.

Everyone complaining about how slow the pace is: what's the point of an anime being so fast paced!? Don't you want to enjoy it for as long as possible? Fast paced animes do not give you the time to soak in the awesomeness of it, they don't let you get to know the characters or their personality. Honestly, I love the slow pace. The details and insights into the character's minds it gives us is worth it. Everyone is treating it like it's a DBZ-taking-10 episodes-for-Goku-to-power-up kind of slow. Be thankful! Don't be so critical. Just enjoy AoT for everything that it is and everything that it is not. For it would not be so popular as it is now if it were any different. Clearly, it is doing something right.

Score: Gazillion out of Gazillion (biased score but I don't care.)
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This anime sucks. I will never try it. It just looks awful. Hype is way too much and it is so much fun to piss off the AOT fans. I give it a 0 out of 100
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