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how exactly does one have an "informed opinion" of an anime/manga other than watching/reading? that's it. besides, an "informed opinion" is still just that. an opinion. all people have different tastes/mindsets/circumstances/whatever that will make them think differently of things, informed or not. although someone forming an opinion on a piece of entertainment without having watched/read/played/whatever, are generally best ignored by those outside of that individual. if they want to retain their uninformed opinion, that's up to them.

maybe "action" wasn't the most appropriate term to use to describe what I was talking about, but it still remains that the first 5 episodes were incredibly fast paced. sure, they made introductions of characters, but that's about the only thing that was accomplished outside of the basic "see these people. they'll be fighting those things, eventually. most likely they'll die, so we'll just give you the cliff's notes versions so when they do die, everything won't have been wasted." most everything else was a bunch of whiz-bang flash-shiny stuff to keep the attention of those who are attracted to it, not just the battles in general, which were decently done, when they took the time to fully animate them.

it's also easy to make a medium of entertainment with a serious tone, yet not be overly serious annoying, or full of nothing but screaming/shaky cam/speed lines. Mass Effect 3 was very similar to the situation in AoT... with the exception that they had no walls to hide behind. the game maintains that serious tone and sense of despiration while not being overly serious about anything and everything.
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how exactly does one have an "informed opinion" of an anime/manga other than watching/reading? that's it. besides, an "informed opinion" is still just that. an opinion. all people have different tastes/mindsets/circumstances/whatever that will make them think differently of things, informed or not. although someone forming an opinion on a piece of entertainment without having watched/read/played/whatever, are generally best ignored by those outside of that individual. if they want to retain their uninformed opinion, that's up to them.

maybe "action" wasn't the most appropriate term to use to describe what I was talking about, but it still remains that the first 5 episodes were incredibly fast paced. sure, they made introductions of characters, but that's about the only thing that was accomplished outside of the basic "see these people. they'll be fighting those things, eventually. most likely they'll die, so we'll just give you the cliff's notes versions so when they do die, everything won't have been wasted." most everything else was a bunch of whiz-bang flash-shiny stuff to keep the attention of those who are attracted to it, not just the battles in general, which were decently done, when they took the time to fully animate them.

it's also easy to make a medium of entertainment with a serious tone, yet not be overly serious annoying, or full of nothing but screaming/shaky cam/speed lines. Mass Effect 3 was very similar to the situation in AoT... with the exception that they had no walls to hide behind. the game maintains that serious tone and sense of despiration while not being overly serious about anything and everything.



>Yeah, what I basically meant with the informed opinions bit is that most of the people that are against AoT, from what I see, either know little about the series or anything they try to put up against it has little to no weight.

>What's wrong with something being a little fast-paced, even when the episodes really weren't such?
Episode 1 - introduction to the Titans, setting, main characters

Episode 2 - The same thing basically. Letting us see what the motivation of the main characters will be

Episode 3 & 4 - The training camp + introduction of other characters.

There isn't going to be a high amount of character drama or high amount of development of said characters in the first five episodes. Maybe if the series was only 12 or 13 eps long, but it's understandable why the case isn't the same here.

>First, I want to bring up three things:

1. Most of the characters here haven't lived up to their late 20's, so it's obvious that they would scream, shout and do the necessary things when confronted with a Titan.

2. The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.

3. Mass Effect and AoT, while they have similarities, aren't going to be the same as to how they present how dire the fictional situation is. Each work handles the same concepts a hell of a lot differently and I'm grateful for that, truly.

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SHUT UP ALREADY! It's a mediocre show at best with shounen battle manga-type writing and shallow characters (I mean, even the author doesn't care a **** for his characters, except the ones that are absolutely necessary for an easily-written plot).

There are much, MUCH better series running this season, so how about giving them the praise they deserve?


How many Shonen have you actually read where the main character "dies" or is incognito for a large amount of time? Thought so.



Please tell me you are being sarcastic...
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The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial
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vglan-funman wrote:

The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial


How does all the drama feel "forced" or artificial? What exactly are they supposed to feel when they're going up against big ass giants that can squash them in seconds? Elated?
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Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:

SHUT UP ALREADY! It's a mediocre show at best with shounen battle manga-type writing and shallow characters (I mean, even the author doesn't care a **** for his characters, except the ones that are absolutely necessary for an easily-written plot).

There are much, MUCH better series running this season, so how about giving them the praise they deserve?


How many Shonen have you actually read where the main character "dies" or is incognito for a large amount of time? Thought so.



Please tell me you are being sarcastic...



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vglan-funman wrote:

The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial


How does all the drama feel "forced" or artificial? What exactly are they supposed to feel when they're going up against big ass giants that can squash them in seconds? Elated?


Genuine emotion instead of the lazy*** writing wooden emotions that the characters have. I mean any half-baked fanfic writer could give their characters this much "emotion."
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Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:

The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial


How does all the drama feel "forced" or artificial? What exactly are they supposed to feel when they're going up against big ass giants that can squash them in seconds? Elated?


Genuine emotion instead of the lazy*** writing wooden emotions that the characters have. I mean any half-baked fanfic writer could give their characters this much "emotion."


Are you...are you serious? They're fighting against a force that's plagued them for more than a century; a force that's basically destroyed thousands upon thousands of their kind. Every emotion that the characters show in response to the adversities in the series (whether it be sad, angry, scared, and, in some brief moments, happy) are very genuine. How much more emotion do you want in this series, really?

See, this is what I meant when I said that most AoT haters/detractors/etc can't logically back up why they don't like the series. At least the other guy was making a reasonable, but also debatable, argument. You're probably just regurgitating nonsense you've seen around the internet like you're some kind of expert or something.
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vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:

SHUT UP ALREADY! It's a mediocre show at best with shounen battle manga-type writing and shallow characters (I mean, even the author doesn't care a **** for his characters, except the ones that are absolutely necessary for an easily-written plot).

There are much, MUCH better series running this season, so how about giving them the praise they deserve?


How many Shonen have you actually read where the main character "dies" or is incognito for a large amount of time? Thought so.



Please tell me you are being sarcastic...



Can't answer? Coo'


I had a feel you weren't, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. First of all, "where the main character 'dies' or is incognito for a large amount of time," does NOT describe AoT. He only was gone for a couple of episodes, and even then it was only used a cliff-hanger/eye-catcher, and was never really used as an element to advance the story. (In case you don't get what I mean, which you're probably wont from what I have seen from you, let me explain: there is a story [forgot the name] where the mc dies dies halfway through the story; the rest of the story is relating what happens after, and how this persons affects the world and the characters; in this story, the lack of the character's presence is being used extensively to advance the story)

In any case, I don't see how you comment has anything to do with my original comment? It still doesn't change the fact that AoT is pretty much using a shounen battle manga philosophy of writing.
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vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:

The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial


How does all the drama feel "forced" or artificial? What exactly are they supposed to feel when they're going up against big ass giants that can squash them in seconds? Elated?


Genuine emotion instead of the lazy*** writing wooden emotions that the characters have. I mean any half-baked fanfic writer could give their characters this much "emotion."


Are you...are you serious? They're fighting against a force that's plagued them for more than a century; a force that's basically destroyed thousands upon thousands of their kind. Every emotion that the characters show in response to the adversities in the series (whether it be sad, angry, scared, and, in some brief moments, happy) are very genuine. How much more emotion do you want in this series, really?

See, this is what I meant when I said that most AoT haters/detractors/etc can't logically back up why they don't like the series. At least the other guy was making a reasonable, but also debatable, argument. You're probably just regurgitating nonsense you've seen around the internet like you're some kind of expert or something.


Ok, let me explain it REAL slowly for you then: It is NOT!!! the quantity of emotion I am complaining about, it is the QUALITY!!! And in AoT, the quality sucks. Like I said earlier, any half-baked fanfic writer could match AoT's quality of emotion.
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Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:

SHUT UP ALREADY! It's a mediocre show at best with shounen battle manga-type writing and shallow characters (I mean, even the author doesn't care a **** for his characters, except the ones that are absolutely necessary for an easily-written plot).

There are much, MUCH better series running this season, so how about giving them the praise they deserve?


How many Shonen have you actually read where the main character "dies" or is incognito for a large amount of time? Thought so.



Please tell me you are being sarcastic...



Can't answer? Coo'


I had a feel you weren't, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. First of all, "where the main character 'dies' or is incognito for a large amount of time," does NOT describe AoT. He only was gone for a couple of episodes, and even then it was only used a cliff-hanger/eye-catcher, and was never really used as an element to advance the story. (In case you don't get what I mean, which you're probably wont from what I have seen from you, let me explain: there is a story [forgot the name] where the mc dies dies halfway through the story; the rest of the story is relating what happens after, and how this persons affects the world and the characters; in this story, the lack of the character's presence is being used extensively to advance the story)

In any case, I don't see how you comment has anything to do with my original comment? It still doesn't change the fact that AoT is pretty much using a shounen battle manga philosophy of writing.



Eren's "death" and subsequent rebirth wasn't used to advance the story in a big way? Again, not sure if serious.

And if it was using a 100% shonen battle manga philosophy, so many characters wouldn't be dying. Eren wouldn't have lost to so many obstacles in the series and the entire conflict against the Titans wouldn't seem so one-sided.

I'll admit, it does borrow a lot of shonen-esque elements (which isn't bad either). But just because it's labeled as a "shonen" doesn't mean that it's 100% like the genre it is under. In fact, AoT is more like low-level Seinen than Shonen, personally.

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Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:


Vin_Howard wrote:


vglan-funman wrote:

The "overly serious" thing is something I just don't see and probably won't see. To me, it has a great amount of seriousness, while occasionally letting go for a laugh or two (guy who bites his tongue, etc). Idk. Your description of "overly serious" is extremely vague.



He means that AoT is the very definition of melodramatic, that all the "drama" feels forced and artificial


How does all the drama feel "forced" or artificial? What exactly are they supposed to feel when they're going up against big ass giants that can squash them in seconds? Elated?


Genuine emotion instead of the lazy*** writing wooden emotions that the characters have. I mean any half-baked fanfic writer could give their characters this much "emotion."


Are you...are you serious? They're fighting against a force that's plagued them for more than a century; a force that's basically destroyed thousands upon thousands of their kind. Every emotion that the characters show in response to the adversities in the series (whether it be sad, angry, scared, and, in some brief moments, happy) are very genuine. How much more emotion do you want in this series, really?

See, this is what I meant when I said that most AoT haters/detractors/etc can't logically back up why they don't like the series. At least the other guy was making a reasonable, but also debatable, argument. You're probably just regurgitating nonsense you've seen around the internet like you're some kind of expert or something.


Ok, let me explain it REAL slowly for you then: It is NOT!!! the quantity of emotion I am complaining about, it is the QUALITY!!! And in AoT, the quality sucks. Like I said earlier, any half-baked fanfic writer could match AoT's quality of emotion.




And I'm asking you again fam, how exactly does AoT not have quality emotion? Are the emotions that the characters are showing not realistic enough or evoke enough realism? Isn't this how a normal group of ordinary people would react to the forces in the series given the circumstances? Wow. Until you come with something that makes reasonable sense, I'm gonna have to drop this convo
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Does any of your wall of text statements mean a darn thing when the first episode is not enough to actually capture the interest of some people such as myself?
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Does any of your wall of text statements mean a darn thing when the first episode is not enough to actually capture the interest of some people such as myself?


In this day and age, it's pretty foolish to decide whether you'll continue a series based on the first episode alone. Most people will watch 3-5 episodes before deciding whether a series has captured their attention or whether they need to drop it.
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