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Posted 9/21/13

luzmapilgrim wrote:


Davidvauhn wrote:


luzmapilgrim wrote:

Hmm, As far as the holocaust goes, yeah, stay away from that. (unless you're doing something like MAUS , but that's different.
Also, they've already done some stuff that's not okay, like making Incest look like a sexy thing, or Loli/Shotacon.



But hey, what's past is past. Let's hope they don't do dumb things anymore!


Don't be tabooifying my loli anime




No, Loli (cute little girls) is fine, What I'm saying is wrong is lolicon. (cute little girls having sex with adult men.)



No, Lolicon would be me, someone who likes lolis. What you're thinking of, is just loli hentai.
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Well there was that rape scene in Valvrave, aside from that I can't think of anything else that isn't Hentai.
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Posted 9/21/13

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eyeofpain wrote:

I don't think you'll ever seen an anime that directly addresses Unit 731 and the Nanking Massacre.


THANK YOU.

I'm pretty sick of Japan downplaying/denying/hiding/not teaching these things. Yet, there was this anime (can't remember if it was an older Gundam) where it mentioned how atom bombs were the absolute evil.

Japan is SO onesided.


Well, I think you'll find that with all countries that take military action. It's the same reason history classes in the United States are tailored to make America look like the greatest nation in the world, one that can do no harm.
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Give any of the countless war crimes Japan had committed in WWII. Generally, people and especially weeaboos, like to assume that the United States dropped the atomic bombs on Japan were unjustified when all we wanted was to stop countless bloodshed of innocent people that they had already killed. They were a tough enemy, and we needed a surrender, and had the technology to do it.

Earlier someone mentioned the Nanking massacre. over 300,000 people were killed there, and many women, infants and elderly were raped. You read that right. Infants. But that was only one incident, right? No.

Nanking massacre
Manila massacre
Sook Ching massacre
Kalagong massacre
Laha massacre
Banka Island massacre
Parit Sulong
Palawan Massacre
the SS Tjisalak massacre perpetrated by Japanese submarine I-8
Wake Island massacre, Also known as the Battle of Wake Island
Bataan Death March
Shinyo Maru Incident

You tell me that they hadn't committed enough war crimes that might warrant a nuclear strike.

Many of that escapes your textbooks because of various reasons just like how we (I'm American) don't like to gloss over the whole Japanese internment camp thing.

Those war crimes are probably something you won't be seeing made into an anime. However I think there IS an anime about the Hiroshima bombing. Go figure.


eyeofpain wrote:


puellapeanut wrote:


eyeofpain wrote:

I don't think you'll ever seen an anime that directly addresses Unit 731 and the Nanking Massacre.


THANK YOU.

I'm pretty sick of Japan downplaying/denying/hiding/not teaching these things. Yet, there was this anime (can't remember if it was an older Gundam) where it mentioned how atom bombs were the absolute evil.

Japan is SO onesided.


Well, I think you'll find that with all countries that take military action. It's the same reason history classes in the United States are tailored to make America look like the greatest nation in the world, one that can do no harm.


Pfft. merica started out with taking the land from the native "savages" and starting a war "Revolution" (I.E. terrorist, and we would have all been hung for treason if we had lost) from day 1. We have spent more years at war than in peace.
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Posted 9/22/13

Fanimusmaximus wrote:

Well there was that rape scene in Valvrave, aside from that I can't think of anything else that isn't Hentai.


I change my mind. Shows like Valrave shouldn't be made....damn Valrave, you and your "almost girlfriend almost dies" scenes. Then you got the Brown Haired guy...I hate the Brown Haired Guy. He shows up in Future Diary too. He's got the most annoying ability to cry on demand.

That said, they don't share the same voice actor/Seiryu. But it doesn't matter, I hate the character archetype portrayed.




Onwards to what everybody's talking about History Books and what not.

Yeah, remember back when you had to take 1 year of World History, followed by 1 year of U.S. history?

WHAT THE HELL? The United States ain't old enough for me to study 1 year of it, put that shit on a notecard and pass it around class.

World history is HUGE. We never covered ANYTHING of the Ottoman Empire, don't get me started on Asian history as a whole. Africa is known only as "this place black people and racism" come from. With it's two countries being Egypt and South Africa.

And then you get yourself deep into how we never covered the Punic wars! THE PUNIC WARS MAN, THEY HAD FAMOUS PEOPLE AND ELEPHANTS AND THE ALPS'N'SHIT.....Serious epic stuff, why WOULDN'T YOU TEACH US THIS?

They don't even teach Space anymore, I was told what space was in 4th Grade, they never elaborated, THEY SAID THEY WOULD, BUT THEY DIDN'T. THE ASS HOLES!

And they taught me cell division and biology in 4th Grade, 5th Grade, 6th Grade, 8th Grade, 10th Grade, 11th Grade, and 12th Grade. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT BIOLOGY, STOP TEACHING ME IT, KNOWING HOW CELLS DIVIDE ISN'T GOING TO HELP ME.

I sorta went on a tangent there....

Anime has taught me far more about Japanese culture than school has taught me about anything(other than Typing, that one class was the most useful class I ever took)

The School systems are horrible. And back to the Censorship thing, having an Anime about murder/massacre/political problem's isn't exactly the bad thing. It's the fact that they have to do it right to do it at all. The moment someone comes up with a selling Manga that deals with these issues, we'll get our Anime based around them.
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Posted 9/22/13

koji8123 wrote:

Give any of the countless war crimes Japan had committed in WWII. Generally, people and especially weeaboos, like to assume that the United States dropped the atomic bombs on Japan were unjustified when all we wanted was to stop countless bloodshed of innocent people that they had already killed. They were a tough enemy, and we needed a surrender, and had the technology to do it.


I believe there were actually factions within the Japanese government that were willing to negotiate a surrender, but the command structure, between the military and the emperor, no one really knew who had the authority to do so, so I recall reading somewhere.



eyeofpain wrote:

Well, I think you'll find that with all countries that take military action. It's the same reason history classes in the United States are tailored to make America look like the greatest nation in the world, one that can do no harm.


Pfft. merica started out with taking the land from the native "savages" and starting a war "Revolution" (I.E. terrorist, and we would have all been hung for treason if we had lost) from day 1. We have spent more years at war than in peace.


True, but it seems that way for most of human history. After all, war is much more interesting than peace time.
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Posted 9/22/13

eyeofpain wrote:


koji8123 wrote:

Give any of the countless war crimes Japan had committed in WWII. Generally, people and especially weeaboos, like to assume that the United States dropped the atomic bombs on Japan were unjustified when all we wanted was to stop countless bloodshed of innocent people that they had already killed. They were a tough enemy, and we needed a surrender, and had the technology to do it.


I believe there were actually factions within the Japanese government that were willing to negotiate a surrender, but the command structure, between the military and the emperor, no one really knew who had the authority to do so, so I recall reading somewhere.



eyeofpain wrote:

Well, I think you'll find that with all countries that take military action. It's the same reason history classes in the United States are tailored to make America look like the greatest nation in the world, one that can do no harm.


Pfft. merica started out with taking the land from the native "savages" and starting a war "Revolution" (I.E. terrorist, and we would have all been hung for treason if we had lost) from day 1. We have spent more years at war than in peace.


True, but it seems that way for most of human history. After all, war is much more interesting than peace time.


That's true. Made me think of the fallout quote.
"War... war never changes" -Fallout
That's true in many aspects because for every war, two or more nations are combatting each other and killing more and more people, more than any given terrorist act or criminal acts in a country's homeland. No mobsters or thugs or school shooting or trade tower-kamikazes could kill more than what a small war would do in a few years.
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Posted 9/22/13
I'm pretty sure most everything has been dong in anime (besides the holocaust probably) I'm not sure though since I haven't seen every anime ever made.
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it really all comes down to how well the creators can pull something like that off. using the holocaust as an example there are films like the pianist, anne frank, and even something like inglorious bastards that don't receive backlash that strongly. if time and effort is taken to create something beautiful it shouldn't matter what the subject matter is so long as it is handled respectively. it's only when the goal is simple shock value that it is unacceptable.
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I'll say Inglorious bastards is one of those "Refuge in audacity" movies.

It's not about respecting the material. It's about setting the material on fire, peeing on the fire, then throwing the moon at it.

Ain't nothing sacred, ain't nothing not worth doing.
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Posted 9/22/13
Japan never addressing its war crimes is a major taboo in anime / manga, true, and this extends to practically anything involving the long occupation of Korea (destruction of Korean language and culture, use of Korean women as sex slaves in WWII, etc.), as well as prior invasions of said country (e.g. in the 1590s). Should it be a taboo subject? IMO, no, as the relations between the two countries are important to the history of both, but it is likely to be taboo for a long, long time. Any time the tiniest hint of the subject comes up in Japan, it raises a major stink, especially among Korean fans of Japanese media.
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