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GayAsianBoy
Yeah that's what I'm saying; trying to fix your physical appearance with unnatural means is sending the wrong message as a society to newer generations. The rate of people developing body image dysmorphia will increase because people can't accept that they're getting saggy and wrinkly.
But having said that, it's not like I can change anything, I'm only one person. And honestly, the modelling and film industry is already doing most of the damage.


While I do agree that society places too much emphasis on looks, and being in good shape, I think everyone agrees that if you CAN stay in shape, you should.
Likewise, I think everyone agrees that being saggy and old is not something one wants. Not just because it's (to many people) unattractive (even to those that ARE), but also because it reminds them of death. Reminds them that they're old. Which is depressing.
I know that I will fight to stay as young as I can for as long as I can. Because youth means a lot to me.






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Well, when it comes to longevity, the beauty/fake issue doesn't come into play. I suppose longevity is not about being fake, there's no negative response to lengthening someone's life through technology. I mean, getting a vaccine in newborns is not going to make someone feel bad about themselves.
I suppose when it comes to longevity through technology, a separate issue will arise, i.e. the issue of overpopulation due to people not dying.

This might make me sound cruel, but people are meant to die, life is meant to die, we're not meant to stay here for longer than we're supposed to... you have to make space for newer lifeforms.


Yeah well that's where we are polar opposite. I think that if we CAN achieve immortality, we should.
I don't give a crap about what we are "meant" to from a natural perspective. Nature's ways suck, and if I can move beyond it to something better, then I will surely do so.
Which is why I also have a largely positive view on the concept of transhumanism.

Even if that comes at the cost of other people not being born. I would gladly, without a second though, be castrated in order to achieve immortality. Even just biological immortality.


On the subject of transhumanism, though... what are your thoughts on that?
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As technology advances, humanity declines. Or as they say, phones get smarter, but the users get dumber. People become to wrapped up in technology that much of what use to be, becomes lost. People become more lazy, etc.
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Yes, let's discuss the downsides of technology.

Shovels. Think about all the lives that have been ruined because of the invention of the shovel.
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You don't get to listen to that 56k modem sound everytime you come here to post at CR. That's probably the biggest downside.
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I find that it disconnects us from real life at times. There isn't that glow of communication or friendship in REAL life that used to be there in my childhood. Simply going over to a friends house and ringing the doorbell, without any previous knowledge if they're actually able to come or not. Simply just calling and hearing each others voice as the main form of communication every now and then. Seeing your friends check their phones every few minutes, or missing chats due to listening to text's instead. I noticed things like this when I broke my phone and was without one for a while. I dunno, something along those lines since we're only listing the downsides. Call me an old timer, but I really miss the way when everything used to be so..."manual".... Mainly what LynnTerra said.
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The lack of real socialization is the biggest downside for me.
Face to face human interaction outside of work has to be declining at a ridiculous rate.
And when people DO get together, it becomes all about creating pictures so they can post it on facebook as if they're screaming "Hey look at me, I go out with people. Aren't I the coolest!?"

Meanwhile, their friends are all doing the same thing without a word spoken between them.

What a sad bubble of reality we live in.
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People are getting dumber.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:
While I do agree that society places too much emphasis on looks, and being in good shape, I think everyone agrees that if you CAN stay in shape, you should.
Likewise, I think everyone agrees that being saggy and old is not something one wants. Not just because it's (to many people) unattractive (even to those that ARE), but also because it reminds them of death. Reminds them that they're old. Which is depressing.
I know that I will fight to stay as young as I can for as long as I can. Because youth means a lot to me.


Why is it important for you?
Is it for self-satisfaction or something else? (curious questions, not trying to be rude)

People have been valuing youth since the early days of civilizations; but I feel like this search for the fountain of youth ideology has always stemmed from the want to impress others rather than an internal desire for youthful appearance. I mean, society has always valued youthful appearance over non-youth which is a natural thing as it appeases our natural sexual tastes.

I do value youth, but at the same time, I want to grow and see what I'll become. It's a curiosity. I don't want to look forever young. But I do appreciate youthful looking things, because it's a natural tendency I suppose...




Yeah well that's where we are polar opposite. I think that if we CAN achieve immortality, we should.
I don't give a crap about what we are "meant" to from a natural perspective. Nature's ways suck, and if I can move beyond it to something better, then I will surely do so.
Which is why I also have a largely positive view on the concept of transhumanism.

Even if that comes at the cost of other people not being born. I would gladly, without a second though, be castrated in order to achieve immortality. Even just biological immortality.


On the subject of transhumanism, though... what are your thoughts on that?


"Nature's ways suck"

Well I'm going to voice my opinion on the subject of transhumanism around this phrase of yours.

If you think about it, if it wasn't for the process of things dying and recreating, we would have never gotten this far. Natural Evolution only happens because new generations of species are born constantly.

I feel like this pursuit of immortality or life extensions is really... against the process of natural evolution.
In a way, we are artificially evolving ourselves to adapt to the environment by using technology that can improve our abilities beyond biological means.

However, I still believe natural evolution is way better than artificial evolution only because when there's a downside to something that nature has done, nature has a way of neutralizing that downside.

Imagine in a few hundred years, when artificial evolution takes place and people being having bionic arms and stuff, when there is a catastrophe, I doubt that we can neutralize that consequence.


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I find that it disconnects us from real life at times. There isn't that glow of communication or friendship in REAL life that used to be there in my childhood. Simply going over to a friends house and ringing the doorbell, without any previous knowledge if they're actually able to come or not. Simply just calling and hearing each others voice as the main form of communication every now and then. Seeing your friends check their phones every few minutes, or missing chats due to listening to text's instead. I noticed things like this when I broke my phone and was without one for a while. I dunno, something along those lines since we're only listing the downsides. Call me an old timer, but I really miss the way when everything used to be so..."manual".... Mainly what LynnTerra said.


I agree with the sentiments of this reply.

I feel like even though we can get to the other side of the world in one day... it's fast, convenient and cheap... but it lacks excitement. I mean the excitement of a "journey" and not knowing what is on other other side of the world due to transportation technologies.
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Worst thing for me is walking into walls when I'm texting or surfing the web!
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Worst thing for me is walking into walls when I'm texting or surfing the web!


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you do realize half of the comments in this thread is talking about people like you, right?
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The few, the proud!
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The few, the proud!


don't worry, i'm pretty sure you'll be part of the majority in the next 5 years or so.

maybe Apple will make phones that have a little camera on the top of the phone so people can look at the road ahead and walk and text at the same time...

i think i just made a million dollar idea for apple
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Good lad now hop off to the apple store
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Good lad now hop off to the apple store


i'm not wasting my money on that greedy and money grubbing company; they release new version of the same crap every year.

i'm thinking of getting myself a tablet soon, and it ain't going to be iPad.
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GayAsianBoy

Why is it important for you?
Is it for self-satisfaction or something else? (curious questions, not trying to be rude)

People have been valuing youth since the early days of civilizations; but I feel like this search for the fountain of youth ideology has always stemmed from the want to impress others rather than an internal desire for youthful appearance. I mean, society has always valued youthful appearance over non-youth which is a natural thing as it appeases our natural sexual tastes.

I do value youth, but at the same time, I want to grow and see what I'll become. It's a curiosity. I don't want to look forever young. But I do appreciate youthful looking things, because it's a natural tendency I suppose...


Basicly self-satisfaction, yes. Of course, I do want to look good in the eyes of others, but I myself too have ideals when it comes to appearances. And I want to meet them as much as I can for my own sake. So that I can feel good about myself.

I have no desire to see myself become old and wrinkly. I do want to grow of course, but only in mind. Only in experience, wisdom and intellect.
If I had my way, I'd have the exterior of a 19 year-old forever.



GayAsianBoy
"Nature's ways suck"

Well I'm going to voice my opinion on the subject of transhumanism around this phrase of yours.

If you think about it, if it wasn't for the process of things dying and recreating, we would have never gotten this far. Natural Evolution only happens because new generations of species are born constantly.

I feel like this pursuit of immortality or life extensions is really... against the process of natural evolution.
In a way, we are artificially evolving ourselves to adapt to the environment by using technology that can improve our abilities beyond biological means.

However, I still believe natural evolution is way better than artificial evolution only because when there's a downside to something that nature has done, nature has a way of neutralizing that downside.

Imagine in a few hundred years, when artificial evolution takes place and people being having bionic arms and stuff, when there is a catastrophe, I doubt that we can neutralize that consequence.


Indeed you are right that if it hadn't been for the process of things dying, we wouldn't have gotten this far.
But that's no reason for us not to break the cycle if we can. Just doing things because that's how it has always been is counter-progressive.

This would mean of course that biological evolution for mankind would come to a halt, but that is one helluva lousy reason in my opinion not to do it. For two reasons.

1) Mankind is pretty much past the point of natural evolution in the way that it made us so intelligent. Natural selection no longer applies to us as a species (at least not in developed countries), so if anything, our evolution will most likely make our species worse, rather than better.

but more importantly:

2) It requires me to actually value the existence of future generations, of people that may or may not be born and whom I will never know and will never know me -- more than I value my own existence. Which I don't.
The argument basicly says that "you should give your life so that people you will never know can be born."
And that's just madness in my ears. Why on earth would I do that?

As far as the consequence, I'm not quite sure I undestand what you mean. Could you elaborate?
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