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Bill Maher- The Real Welfare Queens
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Posted 10/4/13 , edited 10/4/13

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bensonc120 wrote:

But... but... it's so much easier to just make things up. LOL


and it is so easy to mock someone whos point of view is diffrent form yours. How classy and how liberal of you just like Bill Mayer who mocks anyone with a diffrent point of view


I would never mock you sir. The only type of people I mock are racist inbred rednecks. I'm confident you do not fit that criteria, for you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Posted 10/4/13
I don't get why people need to resort to extremes. "Cut" this "cut" that. We know dependency is a real issue but it's all easy to pick on the areas that the people with power are not threatened. Take the risk to cut down some of that money used up on other things like funding "war on terror"
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bensonc120 wrote:


uncletim wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

But... but... it's so much easier to just make things up. LOL


and it is so easy to mock someone whos point of view is diffrent form yours. How classy and how liberal of you just like Bill Mayer who mocks anyone with a diffrent point of view


I would never mock you sir. The only type of people I mock are racist inbred rednecks. If you do not fit this criteria, then you will not be mocked sir.


Then you are calling me a Liar whatever I don't care

Look if you saw an old lady fall in front of you would you stand around debating merits of helping her up or would you just help her up? I for one would just help her up and debate the merits afterwards Maybe if the countery did more of that we wouldn't be in this mess

Posted 10/4/13

uncletim wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:


uncletim wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

But... but... it's so much easier to just make things up. LOL


and it is so easy to mock someone whos point of view is diffrent form yours. How classy and how liberal of you just like Bill Mayer who mocks anyone with a diffrent point of view


I would never mock you sir. The only type of people I mock are racist inbred rednecks. If you do not fit this criteria, then you will not be mocked sir.


Then you are calling me a Liar whatever I don't care

Look if you saw an old lady fall in front of you would you stand around debating merits of helping her up or would you just help her up? I for one would just help her up and debate the merits afterwards Maybe if the countery did more of that we wouldn't be in this mess



Did you even read my question? Do you know anything or watch Maher's show? Also once again, I am against murder, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go to Syria and save the syrians being murdered by Assad, does that mean that I am for murder? No, so you can't say that because someone isn't taking in a homeless family, that their entire ideology is a farce and they are hypocrites. And using an old lady falling is a completely false analogy
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drakedogma wrote:


uncletim wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:


uncletim wrote:


bensonc120 wrote:

But... but... it's so much easier to just make things up. LOL


and it is so easy to mock someone whos point of view is diffrent form yours. How classy and how liberal of you just like Bill Mayer who mocks anyone with a diffrent point of view


I would never mock you sir. The only type of people I mock are racist inbred rednecks. If you do not fit this criteria, then you will not be mocked sir.


Then you are calling me a Liar whatever I don't care

Look if you saw an old lady fall in front of you would you stand around debating merits of helping her up or would you just help her up? I for one would just help her up and debate the merits afterwards Maybe if the countery did more of that we wouldn't be in this mess



Did you even read my question? Do you know anything or watch Maher's show? Also once again, I am against murder, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go to Syria and save the syrians being murdered by Assad, does that mean that I am for murder? No, so you can't say that because someone isn't taking in a homeless family, that their entire ideology is a farce and they are hypocrites. And using an old lady falling is a completely false analogy


Yes I have seen his show Bill Maher left wing douchbag who mock and berate anyone who doesn't share his point of view and the other part of your question your right there you happy?
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drakedogma wrote:


uncletim wrote:

Then you are calling me a Liar whatever I don't care

Look if you saw an old lady fall in front of you would you stand around debating merits of helping her up or would you just help her up? I for one would just help her up and debate the merits afterwards Maybe if the countery did more of that we wouldn't be in this mess



Did you even read my question? Do you know anything or watch Maher's show? Also once again, I am against murder, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go to Syria and save the syrians being murdered by Assad, does that mean that I am for murder? No, so you can't say that because someone isn't taking in a homeless family, that their entire ideology is a farce and they are hypocrites. And using an old lady falling is a completely false analogy


^This. Besides, the most effective way for someone such as Bill Maher to help people is to use his visibility to bring certain issues into public awareness. If Bill Maher shelters one need family, he is only going to help that family. But if he helps raise public awareness, and there is enough public pressure for the politicians to vote back the food stamps, then potentially 46.7 millions of peoples would benefit.
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The thing I love about the moralist in DC who are constantly putting down poor people for being lazy is that politicians are the laziest most useless individuals in the country. According to the Bible those who will not work will not eat, so why haven't these moral politicians given their paychecks to charity after shutting down the government. Most government workers aren't getting paid, but Congress still gets its paycheck and at the end of the year, they will still have the audacity, to give themselves a raise, like last year. The argument that people who don't work shouldn't eat is also especially insidious coming from the law makers who not only let the people who ruin the economy get away with it, but actually rewarding their failure, because it is because of the failures they chose to reward that people can't find work.
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It looks like to me that Mr. Maher is trying to reply to a weak argument against socialism with an even weaker tu quoque argument. He also called Fincher, a man he probably has never spoken to in his entire life a f-er. That's mature. Also, if Fincher is running a farm, then doesn't that mean he's working? What does Maher define as work? Why is Fincher making a salary for "doing nothing"? To be a Congressperson, a farmer, or a preacher, you have to work pretty hard in my opinion.
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uncletim wrote:
So I have to ask what have you done to help the diadvantaged? Have you opened your home to them? Btw the usa has by far the most liberal
immigration laws in the world.


Edit: It's funny you brought the USA up, if I can recall correctly, the USA is not the top country when it comes to accepting refugees. It was another country, but I can't remember which one.



here you go...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/130630-immigration-reform-world-refugees-asylum-canada-japan-australia-sweden-denmark-united-kingdom-undocumented-immigrants/


older...

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/02/10/the_list_the_worlds_best_places_to_be_an_immigrant
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It looks like to me that Mr. Maher is trying to reply to a weak argument against socialism with an even weaker tu quoque argument. He also called Fincher, a man he probably has never spoken to in his entire life a f-er. That's mature. Also, if Fincher is running a farm, then doesn't that mean he's working? What does Maher define as work? Why is Fincher making a salary for "doing nothing"? To be a Congressperson, a farmer, or a preacher, you have to work pretty hard in my opinion.


The higher your place on the social ladder, the less work involved. It's not 100% guaranteed, but it's likely. I'd say bullshitting my way through a speech or a sermon every so often isn't that much work, but it's what the people want, and what they are going to channel their money toward.
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All I can say is this:

If there were less people like my stepdad's ex-wife and his younger brothers who abuse the Welfare programs, things would be more smooth.
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Angerudusto wrote:

It looks like to me that Mr. Maher is trying to reply to a weak argument against socialism with an even weaker tu quoque argument. He also called Fincher, a man he probably has never spoken to in his entire life a f-er. That's mature. Also, if Fincher is running a farm, then doesn't that mean he's working? What does Maher define as work? Why is Fincher making a salary for "doing nothing"? To be a Congressperson, a farmer, or a preacher, you have to work pretty hard in my opinion.


The higher your place on the social ladder, the less work involved. It's not 100% guaranteed, but it's likely. I'd say bullshitting my way through a speech or a sermon every so often isn't that much work, but it's what the people want, and what they are going to channel their money toward.


Well, I'd say that it is very hard to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation (or to run any business), and that you must be incredibly adept at public speaking in order to BS your way through life with speeches and/or sermons.
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Angerudusto wrote:


carsarelittle wrote:


Angerudusto wrote:

It looks like to me that Mr. Maher is trying to reply to a weak argument against socialism with an even weaker tu quoque argument. He also called Fincher, a man he probably has never spoken to in his entire life a f-er. That's mature. Also, if Fincher is running a farm, then doesn't that mean he's working? What does Maher define as work? Why is Fincher making a salary for "doing nothing"? To be a Congressperson, a farmer, or a preacher, you have to work pretty hard in my opinion.


The higher your place on the social ladder, the less work involved. It's not 100% guaranteed, but it's likely. I'd say bullshitting my way through a speech or a sermon every so often isn't that much work, but it's what the people want, and what they are going to channel their money toward.


Well, I'd say that it is very hard to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation (or to run any business), and that you must be incredibly adept at public speaking in order to BS your way through life with speeches and/or sermons.


Exactly right. While there may be less manual labour higher up on this ladder it's unfair to say it's less work. Some of the hardest working people I know are politicians and business owners who have next to no time for themselves. The higher up on the ladder, the more responsibilities and stress you have.

I also think it's unfair to demonize the top earners of society as being people who exploit those under them. The people who accumulate wealth don't do it by taking it from others by force, just like how the biggest corporations in the world don't become big by seizing money. They grew to where they are now because they had a product or service that was in demand by society and marketed it at competitive rates. Microsoft grew to where they are today because they revolutionized the technology landscape of its time, and sold their products to millions of eager and willing consumers.

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Looking at the economic reality is hard to do for most people.

Things like NAFTA allowed major corporations to out source labor gaining a much larger profit for them while lower wages across the board. These corps out sourced jobs seeking those lower wager earners to garner a major profit for those at the top. Leaving those who depended on the jobs moved without salaries. The corporations also took trained workers from here due to the savings and sent them over seas to train the new work force.

The bankers have been allowed to run free for some time due to a lack of laws and a real lack of criminal prosecution by the US justice system. Those making major banking crimes stay in power and office with just a fine paid and zero jail time for major crimes committed due to a weak leadership and campaign donorship.

Wall Street never faces up to the massive mistakes made due to those in office. Many people in office now in the US are from wall street and when they called asking for tax payer money it was handed out with out question in mass. Also those in wall street seem unable to commit a crime if connected enough or the system allows such crimes to be committed due to donations and the current power structure.

The tax laws are also very messed up. The IRS has so many issues and lack of oversight its a wonder how those in office keep there current positions

Then one could look at the elections rates, Congress has enjoyed a 85% Re-election rate and a national approval rate of as low as 5% and no higher than 10% in the last ten years! one would think statistically with these numbers that would be mathematically in possible.

Congress also this year passed a law hiding military contractor pay from the public. Why you ask the US spent 620 Billion dollars on the Military this year. Also one could ask with that staggering amount of money why veteran care is SO BAD. Veterans die due to lack of over sight and care. One recent news spoke of how those who allowed veterans to Die were given a bonus for service. How could this happen?

If one reads the news and keeps up with current events they would have seen many other issues with the current system. One would think that none of those in office now would still be in office at the end of this election no matter what party they were from. One might think the people wanted more from those who lead them than good tv image and nice sound bites.
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I also think it's unfair to demonize the top earners of society as being people who exploit those under them. The people who accumulate wealth don't do it by taking it from others by force, just like how the biggest corporations in the world don't become big by seizing money. They grew to where they are now because they had a product or service that was in demand by society and marketed it at competitive rates. Microsoft grew to where they are today because they revolutionized the technology landscape of its time, and sold their products to millions of eager and willing consumers.


If you look at the history of labor you can actually follow the biggest corporations, watch how they move south through the country exploiting the poorest workers until they finally hit Mexico and then move into Asia. Businesses generally hit a point where they have trouble generating more revenue, so they cut costs. Easiest place to cut costs is on wages.

Microsoft(and a lot of other tech companies) is doing the same thing with H1-B visas. They're bringing in foreign workers that they can hold hostage for low wages(companies who hire employees on H1-B visas can pull the visas, meaning the employee is deported) and using them to depress wages across the industry.

There are good corporations, but by and large when it comes to the bottom line none of them will have a problem sacrificing workers in the interest of shareholders and their own pocketbook.

They're not out there beating people with clubs these days, but they're certainly doing all they can to short you on your labor.
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