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Posted 10/4/13

icecreamsnow wrote:

What else do we think Wakanim will get , they seem to have another up their sleeve, my guess would be Flamenco Samurai


Magi season 2 in my view. AoD had magi season 1 so it would make sense for them to get S2. Atleast to me.

But flamenco samurai would be nice too
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Anime limited also just announced that they have samurai flamenco for simulcast starting on thursday

http://www.uk-anime.net/newsitem/Anime_Limited_to_stream_Samurai_Flamenco_in_the_UK.html
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The simulcast in Wakanim is a bit annoying because the newest episodes are available one month for free, then you have to pay the see it. But it's cheap so that's okay. I watched SNK there. I didn't watch all of their catalogue but it looks alright.
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The simulcast in Wakanim is a bit annoying because the newest episodes are available one month for free, then you have to pay the see it. But it's cheap so that's okay. I watched SNK there. I didn't watch all of their catalogue but it looks alright.


Surely they only have french subs on it right now though?
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Watched Kill la Kill there. I know this might sound spoiled but from what I've read so far about the Simulcasts, I prefer Crunchyroll. They've only announced anime Crunchyroll would have gotten for Europe anyway since it's now pretty much confirmed that Kill la Kill and Samurai Flamenco didn't get picked up for the UK because Anime Limited already had the rights. Plus I'm not looking forward to having to join another subscription and split my money between the two.
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AnimeLimited (the UK company licensing the simulcasts) had the perfect opportunity to work with (or at least not fully against) Crunchyroll to make legal anime streaming better for those in the UK, similar to what Sentai does in the US. Instead they chose to support a new competing service, making things worse for UK anime fans by splitting shows between two services and charging us extra for shows that we should be able to watch on Crunchyroll. I wouldn't at all be surprised if all of Wakanim's simulcasts are Crunchyroll shows that are region-locked in the UK. AnimeOnDemand did the same thing, in addition to providing a terrible service and lying to their customers.

Wakanim may have potential, but I don't see it being good for UK anime fans overall. I don't like their business model, and hate the very idea of country-specific streaming services on the internet. Wakanim isn't even allowing their content to be viewable on Daisuki in the UK. They seem to be very backwards. The Daisuki stream of Kill la Kill is available worldwide except in certain countries because of Wakanim (UK, Ireland and France) and Madman (Australia and New Zealand).

I just hope that either it turns out far better than what I'm expecting or that they fail miserably, just like AnimeOnDemand.
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Considering that the episodes are free until 30 days after they air, you're not exactly paying extra.
Anyway there will always be another streaming service other than Crunchyroll when you also have home video distributors looking at simulcasts. AoD could've been good but I swear the people that run it are part timers. I would really like it if either AoD or Wakanim pick up simulcasts that have been acquired by Funimation and Viz.
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AnimeLimited (the UK company licensing the simulcasts) had the perfect opportunity to work with (or at least not fully against) Crunchyroll to make legal anime streaming better for those in the UK, similar to what Sentai does in the US. Instead they chose to support a new competing service, making things worse for UK anime fans by splitting shows between two services and charging us extra for shows that we should be able to watch on Crunchyroll. I wouldn't at all be surprised if all of Wakanim's simulcasts are Crunchyroll shows that are region-locked in the UK. AnimeOnDemand did the same thing, in addition to providing a terrible service and lying to their customers.

Wakanim may have potential, but I don't see it being good for UK anime fans overall. I don't like their business model, and hate the very idea of country-specific streaming services on the internet. Wakanim isn't even allowing their content to be viewable on Daisuki in the UK. They seem to be very backwards. The Daisuki stream of Kill la Kill is available worldwide except in certain countries because of Wakanim (UK, Ireland and France) and Madman (Australia and New Zealand).

I just hope that either it turns out far better than what I'm expecting or that they fail miserably, just like AnimeOnDemand.


Exactly what I was trying to say. They are completely opposing Crunchyroll and making things worse for us by splitting the services. As I said, Kill la Kill and Samurai Flamenco are the shows that are viewable in many parts of Europe aside from the UK here. The only reason they are not available to us is because Anime Limited has the rights to them. Why couldn't they have chosen to do the simple thing and partner with Crunchyroll that already Simulcasts around 60%(?) of shows to the UK as opposed to Wakanim who had no history with us? I never even heard of Wakanim before the announcement.

Region restricted streaming is backwards! Crunchyroll was a step forward for legal streaming outside of Japan and accommodated widely international customers. I genuinely enjoyed being able to converse with International members of the same language, there aren't that many UK anime fans. I can't see myself being satisfied with this in the long run. I actually hope it doesn't succeed, otherwise Crunchyroll will soon be forced to abandon the UK as Anime Limited licenses more for Simulcasts.
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I would really like it if either AoD or Wakanim pick up simulcasts that have been acquired by Funimation and Viz.

IMO, this would be the best tactic for any UK company wanting to get into the simulcast game. As CR would be be quite unlikely to have those titles, they would be complementing CR, not competing with it, and thus would be seen as the "good guys" even by UK CR members.

If a UK simulcaster really wanted to be a hero, they should work out a deal where UK users for either service can get access to their simulcasts or those of CR, even if this only applied for a limited time after each episode airs.

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MrJoMiMo92 wrote:

I would really like it if either AoD or Wakanim pick up simulcasts that have been acquired by Funimation and Viz.

IMO, this would be the best tactic for any UK company wanting to get into the simulcast game. As CR would be be quite unlikely to have those titles, they would be complementing CR, not competing with it, and thus would be seen as the "good guys" even by UK CR members.

If a UK simulcaster really wanted to be a hero, they should work out a deal where UK users for either service can get access to their simulcasts or those of CR, even if this only applied for a limited time after each episode airs.



The problem is that this isn't really a UK simulcaster. Wakanim is a French company that has been competing with Crunchyroll for 4 years. They are part of the reason why there aren't so many Crunchyroll licenses for France, and I have no doubt that they are going to do the same to the UK. The other reason there are so few French licenses on Crunchyroll is that Kaze also compete with Crunchyroll. And guess who ran the failure that is Anime On Demand? Both Wakanim and Kaze seem to have no interest in working with Crunchyroll or making a service that "compliments" crunchyroll.

As far as I see it, the only way we could possibly get a decent UK simulcasting service that compliments Crunchyroll is if it's a brand new UK company. One with no connections to the French or Andrew Partridge.

Obviously we haven't fully seen what Wakanim are doing yet or what road they plan on going down, so things could be better than I'm expecting... But I don't expect much. Just as I thought Anime On Demand was finally dead, another company decides to come along...
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olandril wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


MrJoMiMo92 wrote:

I would really like it if either AoD or Wakanim pick up simulcasts that have been acquired by Funimation and Viz.

IMO, this would be the best tactic for any UK company wanting to get into the simulcast game. As CR would be be quite unlikely to have those titles, they would be complementing CR, not competing with it, and thus would be seen as the "good guys" even by UK CR members.

If a UK simulcaster really wanted to be a hero, they should work out a deal where UK users for either service can get access to their simulcasts or those of CR, even if this only applied for a limited time after each episode airs.



The problem is that this isn't really a UK simulcaster. Wakanim is a French company that has been competing with Crunchyroll for 4 years. They are part of the reason why there aren't so many Crunchyroll licenses for France, and I have no doubt that they are going to do the same to the UK. The other reason there are so few French licenses on Crunchyroll is that Kaze also compete with Crunchyroll. And guess who ran the failure that is Anime On Demand? Both Wakanim and Kaze seem to have no interest in working with Crunchyroll or making a service that "compliments" crunchyroll.

As far as I see it, the only way we could possibly get a decent UK simulcasting service that compliments Crunchyroll is if it's a brand new UK company. One with no connections to the French or Andrew Partridge.

Obviously we haven't fully seen what Wakanim are doing yet or what road they plan on going down, so things could be better than I'm expecting... But I don't expect much. Just as I thought Anime On Demand was finally dead, another company decides to come along...


To be fair to Andrew Partridge, he has his fingers in many pies, and he's done a hell of a lot for the UK anime industry. He was hired by Kaze on a contract basis to advise them in the UK market, and the French market is very, very different (presumably because of the lack of fansubbers) and Kaze.fr charge 10 euro a month for their premium service (£9/$14) and only have 2-3 shows a season.

Andrew's already released Cowboy Bebop on bluray here, and Durarara and Gurren Lagann are coming early next year.

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icecreamsnow wrote:


olandril wrote:


TheAncientOne wrote:


MrJoMiMo92 wrote:

I would really like it if either AoD or Wakanim pick up simulcasts that have been acquired by Funimation and Viz.

IMO, this would be the best tactic for any UK company wanting to get into the simulcast game. As CR would be be quite unlikely to have those titles, they would be complementing CR, not competing with it, and thus would be seen as the "good guys" even by UK CR members.

If a UK simulcaster really wanted to be a hero, they should work out a deal where UK users for either service can get access to their simulcasts or those of CR, even if this only applied for a limited time after each episode airs.



The problem is that this isn't really a UK simulcaster. Wakanim is a French company that has been competing with Crunchyroll for 4 years. They are part of the reason why there aren't so many Crunchyroll licenses for France, and I have no doubt that they are going to do the same to the UK. The other reason there are so few French licenses on Crunchyroll is that Kaze also compete with Crunchyroll. And guess who ran the failure that is Anime On Demand? Both Wakanim and Kaze seem to have no interest in working with Crunchyroll or making a service that "compliments" crunchyroll.

As far as I see it, the only way we could possibly get a decent UK simulcasting service that compliments Crunchyroll is if it's a brand new UK company. One with no connections to the French or Andrew Partridge.

Obviously we haven't fully seen what Wakanim are doing yet or what road they plan on going down, so things could be better than I'm expecting... But I don't expect much. Just as I thought Anime On Demand was finally dead, another company decides to come along...


To be fair to Andrew Partridge, he has his fingers in many pies, and he's done a hell of a lot for the UK anime industry. He was hired by Kaze on a contract basis to advise them in the UK market, and the French market is very, very different (presumably because of the lack of fansubbers) and Kaze.fr charge 10 euro a month for their premium service (£9/$14) and only have 2-3 shows a season.

Andrew's already released Cowboy Bebop on bluray here, and Durarara and Gurren Lagann are coming early next year.



I agree, and I love the guy for those releases but this one isn't a good move. Certainly not in any UK Crunchyroll members' best interest.
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I agree, and I love the guy for those releases but this one isn't a good move. Certainly not in any UK Crunchyroll members' best interest.


Jury's out for me. Granted, both Kill la Kill and Flamenco Samurai would have been on Crunchyroll UK if not for the Anime Limited intervention, but I'm hoping there's a bigger picture. Having Durarara on Crunchyroll didn't help a UK physical release one bit.

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CyanSwan wrote:

I agree, and I love the guy for those releases but this one isn't a good move. Certainly not in any UK Crunchyroll members' best interest.


Jury's out for me. Granted, both Kill la Kill and Flamenco Samurai would have been on Crunchyroll UK if not for the Anime Limited intervention, but I'm hoping there's a bigger picture. Having Durarara on Crunchyroll didn't help a UK physical release one bit.



It was being released by Beez at one point, if I remember correctly, but I supposed being a seasonal anime, after it aired and the fans died down, it didn't catch enough attention from Manga Entertainment, MVM and such to release it after Beez went under.
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Posted 10/9/13 , edited 10/9/13
They leave reaching a deal with a subscription streaming site open:

OK, SO YOU’RE A DIFFERENT SERVICE – WILL I BE ABLE TO WATCH YOUR SHOWS ON CRUNCHYROLL OR ANIME ON DEMAND?

We would like to see any title licensed by Anime Limited – either for digital only or all rights to be available to as many people as possible – so if you don’t care about download then there is a viable channel for you to enjoy the titles too. For now we hope the free soon to be ad-supported streaming on our site is a good halfway house, but we know there are a lot of people who’d like to see it on other services too.

Rest assured, we’re currently talking to a wide variety services about what can be done from simulcast onwards in partnership with them. Hopefully we will have good news in the near future and certainly for upcoming seasons!


It seems to me that the minimum acceptable deal would involve something like access to the series for premium Crunchyroll members in the UK/ROI for the season of broadcast and following season. Crunchyroll could obviously include something along the lines of a link to the Wakanim download options for each covered series where it detects that the page is being streamed to a UK/ROI region IP address

Two approaches would seem to be cost-effective.

First would be to do it as an annual package deal of direct royalty income for views in the UK/ROI for any series that AllTheAnime acquires rights to, that sublicences streaming rights to Crunchyroll for any series that Crunchyroll has streaming rights to in North America, so there is one contracting cost annually rather than multiple contracting costs per season.

Second would be that AllTheAnime agrees to acquire non-exclusive streaming rights to the UK/ROI, and as a contra, Crunchyroll provides for direct marketing of Wakanim downloads to UK/ROI members visiting pages of those series. Rather than royalty income, that would lead to lower licensing costs for AllTheAnime, as they would be getting exclusive digital distribution and non-exclusive streaming rights and the licensor could expect to receive an MG top-up for series licensed to Crunchyroll that include UK/ROI rights.

On another note, I wonder whether they haven't set the premium stream price point too high ~ it seems to me that bundling them as the Japanese bundle episodes into volumes, and having premium streams at 69p for a 2ep volume or 99p for a 3ep volume would be a more effective price point.

As far as 1.25 quid (~$2) per episode for a non-DRM download, or 16.25 quid for a 13 episode season ($26), I think that volume pricing for that might be better as well ... 2 quid for a 2ep volume, 3 quid for a 3ep volume would be a discount that would be covered in part by reduced payment transaction costs.
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