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Well from what I've seen (Fate/Zero and Kara no Kyokai 1-7), I do like the Fate Series, but there's something holding me back from fully enjoying it. It has good characters, animation, story, etc., but it has this aura of pretentiousness about it that keeps me from really getting into it. Does anyone have a similar feeling?


I can sort of see what you're getting at. The series is adapted from a Visual Novel however, which is like a giant-super sized novel/anime series, it has tons of content to get through, so they have to cut some out to adapt. Spending 5 minutes on a book learning the setting? Natural

On an anime? God DAMN that's too much work! The hardest part about Type-moon works is how much you have to dig in to get to the story. They spend an entire 50 Minute episode of Fate/zero INTRODUCING THE 7-14 CHARACTERS, THE RULES OF THE VERSE, AND THE FACTIONS THEREIN.
A lot of work just to understand the over-basic Battle Royal with historical figures plot. It's got some good fun, but it's too much shit going on.




On the "PEOPLE DIE WHEN THEY ARE KILLED" argument, throw in the original context.

Shirou has just been killed 4 times here, from Lancer, Berserker an hour later, from Berserker(again), from Gilgamesh....um....i think we have a few more at that.

But he hasn't died, and he's trying to explain to Saber that people should infact die when they get killed. This is all an argument to get Saber to take back the Scabbard of Excalibur, which heals all wounds because Overpowered bullshit. He had it, but gives it to Saber, and explains why he thinks he shouldn't rely on it's power.

Saber thinks it's a bullshit reason, and his persuasive ability is 0, but they're intimate in this timeline so...it's cool.

It's not like he needed it here anyways, the plot's pretty much the definition of straightforward starter plot. It's like picking Bulbasaur in Pokemon, it's never a bad choice but he's up first.


Sakura Matou is a Charmander, and if you evolve into a Charmeleon too early, shit gets REAL, reeeeeal fast.
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aidenraine wrote:
people are taking the one line of dialogue completely out of context..

That is what i have been saying.
Shirou is not an idiot or not a bad MC. I personally like his ways of thinking.

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Felstalker wrote:
A lot of work just to understand the over-basic Battle Royal with historical figures plot.


This is one reason why I picked Fate / Extra. (That, and because of Saber Extra and Caster Extra, of course.) It does not have a big ol' dinosaur of a visual novel squatting over it, and it is able to establish itself – and its high stakes – without having to worry about sacrificing anything from the source material.
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One day perhaps we will see http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate/Apocrypha in anime, but i don't like that the story is outside of the Fate story line ( parallel world).

For the moment waiting for Heaven Feel, and hoping to see one day a sequel of Fate Stay Night many years after and follow the story of Emiya heroic spirit.
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twintiger12 wrote:


aidenraine wrote:
people are taking the one line of dialogue completely out of context..

That is what i have been saying.
Shirou is not an idiot or not a bad MC. I personally like his ways of thinking.



Out of context maybe true, but it's not a mis-translation which you seem to be asserting that it is. It's not. That's exactly what he says. The fact of the matter is that everyone knows what he meant, but that doesn't mean it sounded any less retarded, which is why it picked up traction as a meme. There are like a handful of different, less retarded sounding ways to assert the thought he intended to express that don't come off sounding redundant.

So explaining the situation doesn't change anything...everybody knows why he said it...and to say watching Shirou as the protag on that show was anything other than painful doesn't paint a pretty picture of the quality of anime you watch, no offense.
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Posted 10/6/13

rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:


Felstalker wrote:
A lot of work just to understand the over-basic Battle Royal with historical figures plot.


This is one reason why I picked Fate / Extra. (That, and because of Saber Extra and Caster Extra, of course.) It does not have a big ol' dinosaur of a visual novel squatting over it, and it is able to establish itself – and its high stakes – without having to worry about sacrificing anything from the source material.


I'll be PERFECTLY HONEST.

I'm on the second to last fight, with Berserker coming right up, and Assassin right in my face. I gotta finish but, it's haaaaaaaaaard. Damn evil as hell monsters keep killling meeee.
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Closing this. Just realized it's a year old and not just a couple of weeks. For a discussion of the franchise, please see this brand new thread:

/forumtopic-872495/fatestay-night-the-visual-novel-and-its-adaptations
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