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Why does so many manga have rape and ntr in it?
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I'm curious why this shows up so much... It really makes me think that the author just dreams of rape, and is a sick person. I find myself in a dark place wishing death on them, etc. I enjoy reading and watching anime and manga, but i wish that for it to be able to have rape in it that it should have its own category and that way no one has to worry. I mean shounen, seinen, pretty much anything can have rape in it... how is that ok? There needs to be some ranking system and not just make them all TV-MA. We all know they are for mature audiences we have tits thrown at all all the time watching stuff but as long as its them and not forced i can live with it... i mean i can't really say much about the ntr i hate it but i can usually avoid them because anything that has two male mc's i don't watch. But for rape this cliche needs to stop its just a cheap lazy way to add drama and extreme emotions but i wish everyone would stop supporting it. I think someone with power needs to attack this, but i have the feeling they would attack all these because if you really think about we are watching underage girls. so all of this could be considered borderline child porn and people get arrested for that... i bet one day someone in america is going to be in trouble and they will find tons of this crap above on their computer and then they will attack the industry and change it forever... if they would take a proactive approach and weeding this crap out of anime and manga we can save the future. its just a matter of time before this blows up... people blame video games daily for gun violence, so anime and mange could be blamed for crime against women.
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Posted 10/8/13 , edited 10/8/13
First off, artistic intent is subjective. (is it for the shock, or is it organic within the story)
Next, Manga already does have a rating system in the US.
Third, what the hell kind of mangas are you reading where you see it often enough?
Fourth, unfortunately, censoring your own personal triggers will have to be done through customer reviews. There is no system that can be implemented at this time that would cater to every type of personal trigger out there. No matter how common or obtuse.
Posted 10/8/13
make sure you're differentiating manga from H-doujinshi.

I've never ran across manga that has this as a recurring theme. I know that a visceral series like Gantz has sexuality in it ( as its rated adult only/成人向け), but I'd like for you to explain where, to establish a base understanding where you're coming from.

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Well, I honestly have to say I don't read it as soon as it starts down that darker path I drop it now i know how to avoid the anime, but just like the anime coming out this season it was rape in it, but people just accepted it because she was willing in a way... I never watched it because i knew to avoid it so yea i can avoid the anime for the most part... but manga they just throw it in too many and make the list of ones i can watch limited... but i don't actually read any of them i spend hours clicking around reading comments to find out yet another manga has it in it.. and if you check out some of these free sites they leave the damn tags off until down the road sometimes i've read enough to get into just to find out its going down that path.

Just take this as an example of what i see happening.. teacher rapes a student and when they get in his computer to find out what he has been doing etc. because they do that.. and when they do they find tons of this crap... now they have a case against the industry and they will make stricter laws against it and they will look at all of this as bad... and if the religious organizations get involved stuff really could change now things might not change in japan but they will block it and track you in america. they might shut down sites, etc.

You do know child porn is illegal if they are able to get a court to classify anime and manga as the same thing then stuff will change.
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OP needs to cite more titles, and specifics. Allonan, you need to back up your claims. I re-read both of your posts, and you're pulling things out of the air, it seems.
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SHISHUNKI NO IRON MAIDEN

Seishun Pop!

Above are two that i read the first chapter of and dropped because i noticed the comments... I have no proof they have it in it because you are correct i dont' read this crap i'm just pissed because why put it in anything i'm a person that doesn't understand how someone can even defend rape being used in manga and anime... do you like to watch girls being raped? do you want to support someone who uses it as a easy way to make drama? I wish it would stop people bitch about stuff being cliche all the time and this is a cliche that i want to see stop. I didn't explain it correctly in the first post because i hate this so much as soon as it even moves towards darkness i drop it and it pisses me off because then i'm limited on anything i can read because i life reading romance stories but i like happy endings... when you combine the two very few end with happy endings. This was more of vent of my frustrations after spending an hour trying to find something to read.

Also i would like to add i click on crap going by pictures and sometimes pics can be misleading.
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Posted 10/8/13 , edited 10/8/13
Why just manga? Movies, games and books can have that stuff. Besides, why just rape? There is a ton of stuff in various media forms, manga included, that you can find offensive and wrong. Killing is horrible, and yet we tend to root for the heroes who go around killing things.

Big thing you need to realize is that it is fiction. I'm not saying that it is right, I am merely pointing out it isn't real. If you don't want to read it because of that, then don't read it.
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Well they are using rape as a dark theme in order to affect human emotions. This is just one of the many ways to make a story better, not because rape is good, but because it indulges your emotions in the manga.
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Well, I say manga because most of the anime that uses it i can avoid all together... But, with reading a manga i don't know whats going to happen i start reading something and all it says as tages is seinen and romance... well i know seinen can be bad but i've also read 5 others that were more like light hearted romance. I am asking why it is used so much and my opinion using it at all is too much i understand why they use it but i still have the right to hate it just like you have the right to like it... i never paid attention to the tags unless it said mature before now i'm bitching because i have to watch out for anything seinen and shounen hell i thought the shounen was supposed to be for younger people. i've just started reading manga i mainly got on their to read naruto and bleach then i started reading more. I just click down the list on all harems (because they have a higher chance of happy endings) and romance.. i avoid serious romance like shouje or however you spell it i'm still new to this crap thats why i'm asking why do they have so many with it in there i know the ones that have it i avoid them but why have it at all? i understand its fiction but video games are blamed for violence... a good lawyer can blame anything and if they every do decide to attack the anime industry it will easy pickings with all of them having underage girls nude all over the place or fanservice whatever you want to call it.
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Yea but if everyone stopped supporting it they would stop using it... i know why they use it again you can tell by my emotions that i get pissed but instead of wanting to read more i stop and i look up the author and don't read or support anything by them again, or i at least know to watch out for them... I think its shows a lack of talent if they had true talent in writing they could draw out our emotions without using something like rape... now the ntr can be used that way i can get pissed about that i avoid it but others can continue on but i just don't understand why people continue to support something once they put rape in it. if everyone dropped it then writers would stop because in the end they do this as a job. they have limited time to write this stuff so they will spend it writing what sells.
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Posted 10/8/13
Because that what sells on Japan :U
Also most vanilla doujins sucks...
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Posted 10/8/13 , edited 10/8/13
My opinion was to stop supporting it and maybe it will stop... I'm speaking to those that agree with me that rape should stop in manga and anime. I know it probably will never happen.

Your opinion is that you enjoy reading and watching rape, but i have to accept your opinion.

But, I wont support it.
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The thing is NTR and rape is only seen in H-doujins which in my opinión are not wrong (because it's fiction, not real). While there are some mangas who slightly mentions rape they dont show it.

Also IMO

Real rape = so damn wrong
Fake rape = It's okay in my book... No one is getting hurt.

But hey if you dont like it, I respect your opinion. Also are you the one who mentioned that shishunki no iron maiden will end in NTR and/or rape on certain manga website?
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Posted 10/8/13 , edited 10/9/13
Ok i think i read your post wrong no i didn't post on a manga site i posted on this post earlier goign off of comments only i do agree it will have it down the road i don't know for sure but i do see it having ntr but i consider anytime the mc likes a girl and that girl goes for another guy ntr... but thats just my own hangup.

i'm seeing manga with seinen as a tag not muture or anything and the comments are showing rape and ntr... i started to trust them because i read several that were just fine nothing too ecchi or anything.

one example... Gakuto no Vector - says Comedy, Ecchi, Romance, School Life, Seinen - this has no nudity in it at all not even ecchi in my book...

SEISHUN POP!---Comedy, Ecchi, Harem, Romance, School Life, Seinen, Slice Of Life - the post on this one leads me to think it is really dark like i said before i don't know for sure because i stop reading them... but both of these are way different i can say that but both have basically the same tages.

What i would like to see is if they have rape and crap in them then please put mature... someone bitched at me when i posted that.. saying it said seinen so that made me stop reading all seinen out of fear.. and that limits me.
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Posted 10/9/13

Allonan
You do know child porn is illegal if they are able to get a court to classify anime and manga as the same thing then stuff will change.


This depends on where you live. In Japan child porn is not illegal to possess its just not allowed to be hosted on websites or shared. As far as rape being a major element is many stories that isn't true. There are scenes in several manga and animes, especially in hentai topics but its far from the norm. I mean I have read easily over 1000 manga and only a handful had rape in it.

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