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Can an Anime Ever Be "Perfect"?
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Everything has flaws. How would you prove that a work of fiction is perfect? Show that no one in the world thinks there's anything wrong with it? That's not gonna happen without blackmail or hypnotism. Both the flaws and qualities of a thing are too vaguely defined for everyone to agree.

For example: I have zero interest in Cowboy Bebop. The genre, characters, violence, and so on are too familiar to be interesting, and the whole bloodshot-eye-violence-serum or whatever it was in the first episode just creeped me out too much. Gundam? I can't take giant robots seriously; they're cliched and impractical. I can only stand those sorts of shows if they're campy or unserious (Valvrave, Code Geass, some of Macross). FLCL is...something, but it's too zany and random for me to get much meaning out of it. Comedies, in general, aren't usually more than bland entertainment to me, no matter how good they are.

My favorite shows have flaws, too. I just don't really care about them enough to bring the shows down with them. Some, I consider pretty much perfect...to me. People who hate those shows disagree. Something that's perfect to one person may be 100% terribleness to another. That's just the way it is.
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kotomikun wrote:

Everything has flaws. How would you prove that a work of fiction is perfect? Show that no one in the world thinks there's anything wrong with it? That's not gonna happen without blackmail or hypnotism. Both the flaws and qualities of a thing are too vaguely defined for everyone to agree.

For example: I have zero interest in Cowboy Bebop. The genre, characters, violence, and so on are too familiar to be interesting, and the whole bloodshot-eye-violence-serum or whatever it was in the first episode just creeped me out too much. Gundam? I can't take giant robots seriously; they're cliched and impractical. I can only stand those sorts of shows if they're campy or unserious (Valvrave, Code Geass, some of Macross). FLCL is...something, but it's too zany and random for me to get much meaning out of it. Comedies, in general, aren't usually more than bland entertainment to me, no matter how good they are.

My favorite shows have flaws, too. I just don't really care about them enough to bring the shows down with them. Some, I consider pretty much perfect...to me. People who hate those shows disagree. Something that's perfect to one person may be 100% terribleness to another. That's just the way it is.


Obviously, Perfect Anime = MC Squared....B*tch? (It's a reference....but I don't remember to what)

GIant robots Impractical? Yeah right. Thats the claim of silly money grubbers who complain it's too expensive for the ultimate war machine. Expensive isn't the same as impractical!

It is cliche.......but come on now, Valvrave and Code Geass are copying Gundam! The plot, characters, situations, settings, political environment, the studio that animated and creates them....

Give us your favorite shows! I don't mind agreeing or disagreeing with them, I don't mind if you name School Days or Lodoss Wars, GTO or Clannad. I feel the nature of the thread was more to list what people find great, and less what they think is unfailable.
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Every anime has flaws. However, depending on what the flaws are and how you think of the anime then an anime can still be perfect. It can be perfect to you as the flaws might not be that big. But everyone's opinion is different so some anime might be perfect to you but not to some others. Basically, if you love the anime to the point you became a fan then it is perfect. If you like it but some things still bugged you then its a great anime.
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Felstalker wrote:

GIant robots Impractical? Yeah right. Thats the claim of silly money grubbers who complain it's too expensive for the ultimate war machine. Expensive isn't the same as impractical!


You should check out the Kuratas.


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As far as realistic mecha anime, I think that F.L.A.G. is very close to perfect.


It's a shame that's not readily available anymore.
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Felstalker wrote:
Expensive isn't the same as impractical!


It...kinda is, actually.

Anyway, what you said was exactly my point. You don't agree with the things that bother me about those shows and keep me from liking them. But you're not likely to convince me to just decide I was wrong and magically enjoy those things, and the reverse isn't going to happen, either. Nothing can be perfect for everyone. Which is why I tend not to bring up things I like, especially in this sort of thread...it always invites flaming. (Yeah, yeah, hypocrisy. I don't mean to say that Gundam, etc. are horrible; I just don't have any interest in them.)
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Perfect? Hell no.

People have a wide range of criteria of what they deem to be "good" and "bad". Nevermind that people's views and opinions are formed in different ways, depending upon what other fictional media they grew up around. Two people can view the same bit of storytelling media, and both will walk away from different views.

For starters, while I enjoy GitS: SAC and Psycho Pass, I know enough people that write them off as being too pretentious and far too wordy for their liking. Or that Cowboy Bebop, while being a barrel of fun, doesn't exactly have much of a plot, which some go as far as saying that it's an aimless series with no clear destination on where it wants to go.

I also heavily detest SAO, while I know others love it. While I personally find Accel World to be the superior anime in comparison (even though I'm still in disbelief the two original stories were written by the same guy, since the two feel like night and day)....yet somehow not a lot of people seem to talk about it.

I also know that people find Titans in AoT to be absolutely terrifying, while when I first saw them, my first instinct was to laugh uproariously. And I'm still laughing.
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tasti_man_LH wrote:

I also heavily detest SAO, while I know others love it. While I personally find Accel World to be the superior anime in comparison (even though I'm still in disbelief the two original stories were written by the same guy, since the two feel like night and day)....yet somehow not a lot of people seem to talk about it.

I also know that people find Titans in AoT to be absolutely terrifying, while when I first saw them, my first instinct was to laugh uproariously. And I'm still laughing.


Well to be fair SAO and Accel World were made by two different companies. I personally believe that the SAO light novels are better then the Accel World, but both are still really good.

On the AoT note I completely agree I spent most of my time laughing at these things and cheering when the
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Everyone is bias. There will always be that guy who thinks the complete opposite of what you would deem "perfect".

Some like harems;SOME LIKE SUPER MEGA ZERO ULTRA LASER ROBOT FIGHTS... and some like School days.

So yeah, I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect anime. They can come close, though.
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tasti_man_LH wrote:

Perfect? Hell no.

People have a wide range of criteria of what they deem to be "good" and "bad". Nevermind that people's views and opinions are formed in different ways, depending upon what other fictional media they grew up around. Two people can view the same bit of storytelling media, and both will walk away from different views.

For starters, while I enjoy GitS: SAC and Psycho Pass, I know enough people that write them off as being too pretentious and far too wordy for their liking. Or that Cowboy Bebop, while being a barrel of fun, doesn't exactly have much of a plot, which some go as far as saying that it's an aimless series with no clear destination on where it wants to go.

I also heavily detest SAO, while I know others love it. While I personally find Accel World to be the superior anime in comparison (even though I'm still in disbelief the two original stories were written by the same guy, since the two feel like night and day)....yet somehow not a lot of people seem to talk about it.

I also know that people find Titans in AoT to be absolutely terrifying, while when I first saw them, my first instinct was to laugh uproariously. And I'm still laughing.


^ Pretty much exactly what I was going to say :-)
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How awersome would It be to see the "perfect" soprts anime, or better yet THE PERFECT HEARAM. Brings a tear to my eye thinking about it.
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kotomikun wrote:


Anyway, what you said was exactly my point. You don't agree with the things that bother me about those shows and keep me from liking them. But you're not likely to convince me to just decide I was wrong and magically enjoy those things, and the reverse isn't going to happen, either. Nothing can be perfect for everyone. Which is why I tend not to bring up things I like, especially in this sort of thread...it always invites flaming. (Yeah, yeah, hypocrisy. I don't mean to say that Gundam, etc. are horrible; I just don't have any interest in them.)



The difference between flaming and discussion are in the intent, and intent is everything!(I could go on about "intent", endlessly, but shan't today)

I'm not one to enrage or upset others, but I'll argue endlessly. I like having such discussions, it's a way for me to learn about you and your points of view. You have different experiences, different tastes, and a different judgement than me.

I'll compare a series with another regardless if they're alike or not. I'll vote poorly on a show with a weak lead character, even if everything else was positive. If the animation is spotty, I'll point it out and shout lazy! If I'm watching a Romance, and the hero doesn't tell the girl he loves her by the end, that show's approval rating drops 35%. Oh no, you're NOT getting away with "I know" when she confesses, you're not Han Solo, YOU HAVEN'T EARNED WHAT HE HAS.

But I do like strong characters, with their own goals and fears, and will approve of them wholeheartedly! Romance with a strong chemistry will always bring some points. Strong animation without regards to a budget? That works for me. A Solid english dub, a hilarious comedy, a Hero whose ideals match my own. I'm heavily biased towards and against things, and I believe you all are too.

I don't want to hear there is no perfect anime. That's the obvious answer. You don't make something perfect, you choose something perfect. If that show is no longer perfect, you simply choose something else.

I find the anime Katanagatari to be rather perfect. It's an example of a Light Novel animated right. Characters are given great unique designs, dialog is far more prominent than action, but action doesn't skimp on the style. The characters introduced are interesting or dynamic, with some of the more complicated ones redefining what I thought of as interesting characters. It made me rethink of dynamic and changing characters, showed me that a character can be dynamic without ever changing, and how a failure to change can be as interesting as changing itself. It also has Ninja's, and someone who's hair looks very much like a bird.

What do you guys think highly of?
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Shingeki no Kyoujin and FMA: Brotherhood
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Absolutely. There are more than I can count.

I watch anime because I enjoy it. This means that the standard of quality for anime is enjoyment. Since a perfect thing is something that lacks flaws, a perfect show is one that lacks un-enjoyable portions. Thus, we need only find shows which had nothing about them that I disliked. Easy. This includes:
Mushi-shi
Love Lab
Haibane Renmei
Voices of a Distant Star

To name a few -- there are many more.

It is also helpful to note that, by definition, there is no perfect anime anywhere near my Top 20, and that I hold that a better show is a "more enjoyable" show rather than a "more perfect" show. Bakemonogatari, Natsume Yuujinchou, Clannad, Steins;Gate, Gintama -- those are some of the most enjoyable shows I've seen, but they all have portions that I wasn't fond of. Mushi-shi or Love Lab, on the other hand, didn't have any portion that I disliked, but were far more subdued, and therefore, less enjoyable. Perfect, but far from my favorites. Enjoyable shows are far better than perfect ones.
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