Waiting for the strike.
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Anybody else still up and browsing forums because they have to wait and see if the BART unions strike or not?
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hmm... unions are complicated these days.

It was effective back then, but now, the "so-called advocators" in the union are the ones getting all the money then leaves.
Workers who desperately need the money get nothing, lose their jobs, and employers lose their businesses.



We have union in my workplace. The union representatives are very persistent on targeting the ones at the very bottom of the job hierarchy (janitors, maids, etc) in order to get more votes. But, who benefits the most (besides the union representatives), of course, the ones above the very bottom of the hierarchy. The 10% increase on paycheck varies greatly on each level of hierarchy pyramid. But, the ones at the very bottom, can't tell the difference.
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onibrotonel wrote:

hmm... unions are complicated these days.

It was effective back then, but now, the "so-called advocators" in the union are the ones getting all the money then leaves.
Workers who desperately need the money get nothing, lose their jobs, and employers lose their businesses.



We have union in my workplace. The union representatives are very persistent on targeting the ones at the very bottom of the job hierarchy (janitors, maids, etc) in order to get more votes. But, who benefits the most (besides the union representatives), of course, the ones above the very bottom of the hierarchy. The 10% increase on paycheck varies greatly on each level of hierarchy pyramid. But, the ones at the very bottom, can't tell the difference.


I'm probably not rational to discuss this right now, sooooooo PISST at the union.

Still, pretty good page about the SF situation. Mamma shoulda raised a train-throttle-operator.

http://enjalot.github.io/bart/
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Unions were historically conceived out of a noble goal, to protect workers from exploitation. Unfortunately, today's unions have morphed into a political force which frequently paralyse institutions and companies in order to demand higher salaries for their workers, even in times of economic downturns. It's really not fair to the workers, especially those who don't want to join but are forced to by the rules of their workplace.


Here in Canada, there was a recent case of a million-dollar defamation lawsuit brought against a federal politician. Due to the fact that he belonged to a union-friendly political party, unions across the country raised and donated tens of thousands of dollars to contribute towards this politician's legal fees (Pat Martin and the NDP, if anyone knows what I'm talking about). I think unions overstep their bounds when they wade into federal politics or force workers to join.
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I usually want to support unions, but these guys make better starting money than the tech jobs, and have basically free bennies.

(#$&*&$#@(*&$#(*KLF!
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See that was a union I could support! Hostess mgmt basically wanted the workers to foot the bill while they stripped the companies assets out.


Also, twinkee workers probably don't make an average of $72,000 a year.

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It makes my eyes bleed. $72,000 to work a throttle, and they want a freakin' 22% raise.
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I'm normally a night owl anyway, but I am keeping an eye on a local news website and waiting for the "FUN" to start all over again. WHY California hasn't made it against the dang law for transit workers to strike like New York and other states is beyond me. (Yes, I know California is pro union and all that, but I don't think it's right to make commuters hostages like this EVERY DANG TIME a contract expires.) And THEN A/C Transit (buses) are going to go on strike on Thursday. (This hurts Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.) *Le Sigh* I'm almost GLAD my hours have been cut at work. The poor commute and commuters!!
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Art-chan wrote:

I'm normally a night owl anyway, but I am keeping an eye on a local news website and waiting for the "FUN" to start all over again. WHY California hasn't made it against the dang law for transit workers to strike like New York and other states is beyond me. (Yes, I know California is pro union and all that, but I don't think it's right to make commuters hostages like this EVERY DANG TIME a contract expires.) And THEN A/C Transit (buses) are going to go on strike on Thursday. (This hurts Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.) *Le Sigh* I'm almost GLAD my hours have been cut at work. The poor commute and commuters!!


Best thing is having to stay up late to see if it's on, and then if it is, having to get up an hour early to carpool.
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Art-chan wrote:

I'm normally a night owl anyway, but I am keeping an eye on a local news website and waiting for the "FUN" to start all over again. WHY California hasn't made it against the dang law for transit workers to strike like New York and other states is beyond me. (Yes, I know California is pro union and all that, but I don't think it's right to make commuters hostages like this EVERY DANG TIME a contract expires.) And THEN A/C Transit (buses) are going to go on strike on Thursday. (This hurts Alameda and Contra Costa Counties.) *Le Sigh* I'm almost GLAD my hours have been cut at work. The poor commute and commuters!!


Best thing is having to stay up late to see if it's on, and then if it is, having to get up an hour early to carpool.


I'm working in the afternoons and I need a car for my job. I'd be biking if it were an option, but it isn't (too far away, needing a car with little or no notice at all). In my case, I get stuck with the evening commute, which, ironically, is just fine with me.
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I'm working in the afternoons and I need a car for my job. I'd be biking if it were an option, but it isn't (too far away, needing a car with little or no notice at all). In my case, I get stuck with the evening commute, which, ironically, is just fine with me.


No car, live in Oakland, work in the Financial district.

WIsh they'd just say something one way or the other at this point :(


I give, find out in the morning.
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