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Does an ending ruin an anime?
Posted 10/18/13
Free! had a horrible ending episode; full of cheese, cheesier than Swiss cheese.

But I still love it overall, I've enjoyed the other 11 episodes. I can forgive episode 12, since they probably didn't have the time/money to make it got to 24 episodes. Felt so rushed and it was just really cheesy.
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Also, I'd say that more often than not, there is a reasonable explanation to an unclear ending. If the only reasonable explanation to a CSI episode is "the culprit used time travel" then you're probably in trouble, if only because it's a lame conclusion. Time travel in Angel Beats!, however, seems much more appropriate in a world who's designer can manipulate space and existence itself (it also doesn't take much thought to consider that alternate dimensions may not run on the same clocks, but the Angel Beats! argument is for another thread). My point is this: when I watch a show, read a book, or even look at an argument, I take basically the same approach: Assume the craftsman of the idea is not an idiot, and assume whatever he's saying makes complete sense. What follows? If there's a contradiction, then it obviously doesn't make sense. But if there's still logical conclusions available, then it's completely possible that what he's saying does indeed make sense. Basically, my feeling is this: if I give a story/theory/idea the best possible chance it can, and it still doesn't work out, then it must be bad. However, if it might still work out, then it means that I have insufficient knowledge to verify or discredit it. Basically, I'm not smart enough to understand it.

It could be that the author wasn't smart enough to explain it properly, which is when people claim that it's badly written. However, I have significant problems with the fact that people are called "bad writers" but people are rarely called out for being "bad readers". Reading is as much a skill as writing, and being unable to figure out why something makes sense may just be ineptitude on the part of the reader. I think the same holds true of television, anime, music, and most forms of entertainment. Fiction, to me, is a chance to take a look in someone's head. And if I'm trying to figure out what somebody's thinking, I have a much better chance if I assume that they're not an idiot. In that sense, the ending doesn't really factor in much, because at the core, I'm only trying to figure out whether the author's ideas interest me. Some endings can render a story completely uninteresting, but to be fair, that rarely happens. If I'm watching a show to the end, then there is something there that I've found worth looking into. That rarely changes as a result of the ending.
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Posted 10/18/13

Koda89 wrote:

Yes, yes it certainly can. Oreimo's ending dealt a huge blow to my overall enjoyment of the series. It was going pretty damn great and was, I felt, good enough to earn the elusive 10/10 rating from me, but then those last 3 episodes happened and dashed any hopes of that happening.


Oh, man. That's a fresh wound; not even a week old, lol.

I'd agree that bad endings can definitely leave a negative taste, and it's hard just thinking back to when the series was good because you just remember what it leads up to.

My most hated endings are cop-outs. Unresolved issues or plot holes is one thing, but for a character or situation to do a sudden 180 JUST to move it along to the end or appease the audience one last time just stains the entire thing, and I lose any respect I had developed for it.
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HauAreWe wrote:The rules of that world were disregarded entirely and there were plot holes in regards to the time of death and time of recovery that each character experienced. Overall, that world should have never become empty, most of the characters shouldn't have been the last people there, the girl's heart didn't make any sense, etc.


Well, the implication was that he drank from the river Lethe when he crossed over to Limbo, since he had amnesia. He most likely was already in heaven but was sent to help everyone else accept their deaths, so that's why he arrived after the others. Fairly obvious, I thought.

Nah, I'm kidding, I don't know what the heck was going on. I more got the impression that the place was timeless and everyone arrived there from different points of history without rhyme or reason. It's true, the plot didn't make the most sense.


Anyway, I'm mostly annoyed at animes that end on cliffhangers, never to continue. I'm also sometimes miffed at certain endings that have, for lack of a better description, the wrong thing happen. For example, I'm usually all for characters getting killed off, but sometimes it doesn't make sense for one to die, from the standpoint of creating an Aesop ending.

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Posted 10/18/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:

Free! had a horrible ending episode; full of cheese, cheesier than Swiss cheese.

But I still love it overall, I've enjoyed the other 11 episodes. I can forgive episode 12, since they probably didn't have the time/money to make it got to 24 episodes. Felt so rushed and it was just really cheesy.


Really my biggest issue with Free!'s ending is it hammered home that swimming wasn't really the important thing in the series, friendship was. And it is thanks to that that I feel Free! could have worked with several other sports. It was less a swimming anime and an anime about friendship where a sport was the vehicle used to drive the story forward and the sport just happened to be swimming.
Posted 10/18/13

Koda89 wrote:
Really my biggest issue with Free!'s ending is it hammered home that swimming wasn't really the important thing in the series, friendship was. And it is thanks to that that I feel Free! could have worked with several other sports. It was less a swimming anime and an anime about friendship where a sport was the vehicle used to drive the story forward and the sport just happened to be swimming.



I don't really agree in that respect

Even though in episode 12, they chose friendship over swimming, I don't think Free! could have worked with any other sport that isn't a water sport because swimming was pretty much the main motif in the series, here's why:

- one of the character has an ocean phobia due to a traumatizing event in his past
- swimming has a style that is called freestyle which is the main symbolism in the series, the main character said he only swims Freestyle because it lets him be free but during the middle of the series, we see him accepting other swimming styles because he wants to be part of the team... thus by swimming other styles and being part of a team, that is what really allows him to be Free in the end.
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Posted 10/18/13 , edited 10/18/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:


Koda89 wrote:
Really my biggest issue with Free!'s ending is it hammered home that swimming wasn't really the important thing in the series, friendship was. And it is thanks to that that I feel Free! could have worked with several other sports. It was less a swimming anime and an anime about friendship where a sport was the vehicle used to drive the story forward and the sport just happened to be swimming.



I don't really agree in that respect

Even though in episode 12, they chose friendship over swimming, I don't think Free! could have worked with any other sport that isn't a water sport because swimming was pretty much the main motif in the series, here's why:

- one of the character has an ocean phobia due to a traumatizing event in his past
- swimming has a style that is called freestyle which is the main symbolism in the series, the main character said he only swims Freestyle because it lets him be free but during the middle of the series, we see him accepting other swimming styles because he wants to be part of the team... thus by swimming other styles and being part of a team, that is what really allows him to be Free in the end.


Those things could easily have been changed to fit whatever sport they chose.
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Posted 10/18/13
Sometimes I don't mind, but sometimes it really does ruin the entire show. Like I hated the end of Toradora, but I still like the show because it was so good. Oreimos ending though was the worst thing ever, but if I pretend it doesn't exist, I can still enjoy the previous episodes.

P.S. ANGEL BEATS FTW
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Posted 10/18/13 , edited 10/18/13
Angel Beats had an amazing ending, what are you talking about?

And yes, it can. Like Magoka - very good and then that stupid ending ><
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Posted 10/18/13

edge1143 wrote:

Sometimes I don't mind, but sometimes it really does ruin the entire show. Like I hated the end of Toradora, but I still like the show because it was so good. Oreimos ending though was the worst thing ever, but if I pretend it doesn't exist, I can still enjoy the previous episodes.

P.S. ANGEL BEATS FTW


lol yeah I just pretend that ending never happened as far as I'm concerned it ended after the kiss/wedding thing
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Posted 10/18/13
I think it can. Everyone always looks forward to know what happens until the end. Suddenly, it's the final episode, and everyone is just dying to know what they've been waiting for, just to a: have a cliffhanger or b: have some ending that had nothing to do with the story, and this makes you stark raving mad. I'd give examples, but I don't feel like doing spoiler alerts.
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idk some shows are set in stone by there amazing endings like code geass and guilty crown

and how the hell didn't angel beats make sense lmao
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Posted 10/18/13
The ending won't ruin an anime for me but it can bring down the total enjoyment I had for the series. A lot of the time anime's are based off of incomplete manga. So the ending can be off because of that. Sometimes they will have an ending in the first season hoping for a second season so can't give an absolute definitive ending because of that.

There have been so few that I have watched that have had that definitive ending for a long while now. But there are some endings that are worse than others. Oreimo is one that comes to mind for worse.
Posted 10/18/13

Rena-Ryuuguu wrote:

Angel Beats had an amazing ending, what are you talking about?

And yes, it can. Like Magoka - very good and then that stupid ending ><





EspeoangeTieler wrote:

idk some shows are set in stone by there amazing endings like code geass and guilty crown

and how the hell didn't angel beats make sense lmao


Well.........



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Posted 10/18/13
Doesn't ruin it. Like for example, as much as I hated (both of) the ending of NGE, Angel Beats, Soul Eater, and Oreimo, I still really enjoyed all of the shows, and thought they were overally pretty good.
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