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Why do we overanalyse some anime and just accept others as is?
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Posted 10/22/13

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I did think the review that was posted was just one guy being a little bit pretentious. I mean, I didn't seem like he accounted for entertainment value AT ALL. Which, to me, seems weird, but maybe he doesn't watch anime to enjoy it?


Not just pretentious but arrogant. My problem with many of his points was that he did not exhibit intellectual honesty. He presents his opinions as facts. He, like others, seem not to care that there are different points of view.
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What, rewiev are you guys talking about?
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Gotta give the "guest" author some credit, he/she did a very accurate review on oreimo.


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Posted 10/22/13
The issue, to me personally, isn't really analyzation but rather presentation. I don't think it's bad to analyze (or even over-analyze) an anime. I just prefer reviewers who bear in mind that the smaller the details which you criticize, the less regular people actually care.

As an analogy, you could analyze a glass of water and determine all the minute impurities down to arbitrary precision (1 part per million, or whatever) - but not everyone cares about those. Some (dare I say most) people just want to know "Is the water clean? Is it refreshing? Does it have a nice taste?" and most importantly - "Do I want to drink this?." Yes, there are some people who care about the detailed analysis - but usually those people are the ones who themselves are prone to making detailed analyses.

Somewhere along the line, it became in vogue to just criticize something for the sake of criticizing it. As though being harsh and blunt was somehow the hallmark of a true critic. And this is nothing new - it's been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. But I look at that like the easy way out. Anyone can point out somethings flaws - it's much harder to point out it's good qualities, and harder still to determine which kind of person will enjoy those good qualities more than the bad.

So you think an anime is bad - big deal. Somebody thinks it's good. So you can explain why you think its bad - big deal. Someone can explain why they think it's good. You'll impress me if you can not only explain why you think it's bad, but explain why someone else will think it's good. And there are reviewers out there who do just that. Oftentimes, they're the ones who include recommendations with their reviews - which I look at as a good sign and try to copy it myself if i'm analyzing an anime.
Posted 10/22/13 , edited 10/22/13
I analyze everything, especially myself. In fact, I don't criticize something without criticizing myself first. Because I'm a curious and self-conscious person. It's what makes me introspective. It's what makes me insightful. It's what gives me perspective. It's what gives me a deeper sense of understanding. And you ask: "Why analyze?" That's sort of like asking "Why bother figuring stuff out?" or "Why try to understand things?" or "Why try to improve for the better?" It's like saying that it's better to be presumptuous, full of judgement, and generalization, or that "Why develop technology from suitcase-sized cellphones to smartphones?" I mean, why not just accept it as it is, right? "Why go from a horse to a car?" What a pointless thing to do.
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Posted 10/22/13

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Why are we not blasting One Piece or Legend of Korra for having some of the most interesting political plots in their worlds and seem to be focused more on characters that deal with a disgustingly boring love triangle or eating copious amounts of food in an attempt to be funny and having character traits that wore off appeal a looong time ago... or just don't seem to stay in their pit (F*CKING MAN UP USOPP! -_-). Then again Korra has been just torn apart all this time until episodes 7 and 8 so that's a pretty bad example but you get the idea.

The only thing I can think of is the super hype level and its rabid (spoilerific) fanbase but is there anything I'm over looking here? Or am I just being overly critical of what people chose to do with their keyboards(let me guess the ladder right lol)?

And in case you wonder why I still read Fairy Tail seeing as how I don't like it anymore well... I see it as like a manga reader's Ikki Tousen... and also Zeref. Wanna see some epic stuff go down with Zeref >.>


You do not
You do Not.
YOU DO NOT.

Want me to get into how deeply I've analyzed Legend of Korra.
How we, it's fanbase, have grinded it into a fine paste to be taken to space and analyzed by Martians so they know how to avoid the shit Legend of Korra pulled. That final episode is so bad, I had to destroy my final disk of Legend of Korra's season so I will never accidently watch it. (well, I have it all on a Flash Drive, PSN sold the episodes at $2 every week! My sister wanted to watch'em on the big screen and payed for it! It was awesome!)

It's like they took something awesome, and...... bhaoibhoigehfg

Others have analyzed One Piece far more and far better than I.

Think of it like this. Certain people criticize, analyze, and deconstruct anime they like. These people are usually talking about or hanging around the better anime. You can't "Deconstruct" something as bad as Girls Bravo. The formula for that show is a simple "Boob gag + penis joke = lolz"

SAO is an anime that focuses on it's setting and world, When you pick it up you're told exactly what to expect. The title isn't "Kirito and Asuna's love island adventure" it's Sword Art Online. You expected to see characters in an amazing looking MMO, THAT is what you were promised, and THAT is what you got. People didn't complain too much until they left SAO, in which the sexy distraction was removed and all you saw was the same failure of characters. IF they kept the show in SAO, and perhaps used the same plot, the show would be held as better.

You have shows like Kill la Kill, that isn't near finished, and openly mocks the things other anime use as gimmicks and themes. Naked uniforms? WE'LL HAVE THEM! WE'LL HAVE BETTER NAKED UNIFORMS! IT both mock's the crowd and panders towards it. Tons to like and tons to hate!

Fairy Tail's character are fun and drive the plot really well. You only watch the show if you like these characters, which how could you not?
But the show's episodes are no deeper than filler half the time, the comedy is over-reliant on you knowing these characters and before the show introduces all of them it's a horrible mess of crap. The first 12 episodes of Fairy Tail are nauseating, THEN you finally meet the final member of our group, Erza the Straight man, and all of a sudden the jokes become funny. The characters have someone to play off of. You can dissect and analyze why Fairy Tail works, and why at times it fails.

Then you have Gintama's absurdly specific Comedy that either has you laughing or shouting racism.

Shows can be analyzed, and people like to analyze them. Why do you think sites like Crunchyroll allow you to review series? Because the opinions of others matters to us! We want to know when we miss something deep and important, when something is more shallow and boring than it should have been.

We want to know things, you don't go to discussion forums to tell people to stop talking about it, that defeats the purpose of discussion!
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I don't really "over analyse" many shows. I just try to enjoy them the best way any fan could.
What I have notice from people is that they have very high expectations of a plenty anime series.
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Perhaps Azumanga Daioh wasn't as extremely profound as I thought it to be....naaaaaaah

I remember when I was discussing with someone on a forum about Attack on Titan and its elements that resembled political extremism (fascism, to be specific), and some guy told us off for over-analyzing a Shonen. But then again, aren't there Shonens out there that are quite profound, like FMA? I enjoy analyzing what goes on in anime - it's part of what makes watching anime enjoyable for me. Some people would say to me that I shouldn't be over - analyzing anime targeted at a younger audience because there's nothing there, and that I would automatically hate the type of anime, but I would say that those people have confused simple with stupid.
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Felstalker wrote:


Endofends wrote:


Why are we not blasting One Piece or Legend of Korra for having some of the most interesting political plots in their worlds and seem to be focused more on characters that deal with a disgustingly boring love triangle or eating copious amounts of food in an attempt to be funny and having character traits that wore off appeal a looong time ago... or just don't seem to stay in their pit (F*CKING MAN UP USOPP! -_-). Then again Korra has been just torn apart all this time until episodes 7 and 8 so that's a pretty bad example but you get the idea.

The only thing I can think of is the super hype level and its rabid (spoilerific) fanbase but is there anything I'm over looking here? Or am I just being overly critical of what people chose to do with their keyboards(let me guess the ladder right lol)?

And in case you wonder why I still read Fairy Tail seeing as how I don't like it anymore well... I see it as like a manga reader's Ikki Tousen... and also Zeref. Wanna see some epic stuff go down with Zeref >.>


You do not
You do Not.
YOU DO NOT.

Want me to get into how deeply I've analyzed Legend of Korra.
How we, it's fanbase, have grinded it into a fine paste to be taken to space and analyzed by Martians so they know how to avoid the shit Legend of Korra pulled. That final episode is so bad, I had to destroy my final disk of Legend of Korra's season so I will never accidently watch it. (well, I have it all on a Flash Drive, PSN sold the episodes at $2 every week! My sister wanted to watch'em on the big screen and payed for it! It was awesome!)

It's like they took something awesome, and...... bhaoibhoigehfg

Others have analyzed One Piece far more and far better than I.

Think of it like this. Certain people criticize, analyze, and deconstruct anime they like. These people are usually talking about or hanging around the better anime. You can't "Deconstruct" something as bad as Girls Bravo. The formula for that show is a simple "Boob gag + penis joke = lolz"

SAO is an anime that focuses on it's setting and world, When you pick it up you're told exactly what to expect. The title isn't "Kirito and Asuna's love island adventure" it's Sword Art Online. You expected to see characters in an amazing looking MMO, THAT is what you were promised, and THAT is what you got. People didn't complain too much until they left SAO, in which the sexy distraction was removed and all you saw was the same failure of characters. IF they kept the show in SAO, and perhaps used the same plot, the show would be held as better.

You have shows like Kill la Kill, that isn't near finished, and openly mocks the things other anime use as gimmicks and themes. Naked uniforms? WE'LL HAVE THEM! WE'LL HAVE BETTER NAKED UNIFORMS! IT both mock's the crowd and panders towards it. Tons to like and tons to hate!

Fairy Tail's character are fun and drive the plot really well. You only watch the show if you like these characters, which how could you not?
But the show's episodes are no deeper than filler half the time, the comedy is over-reliant on you knowing these characters and before the show introduces all of them it's a horrible mess of crap. The first 12 episodes of Fairy Tail are nauseating, THEN you finally meet the final member of our group, Erza the Straight man, and all of a sudden the jokes become funny. The characters have someone to play off of. You can dissect and analyze why Fairy Tail works, and why at times it fails.

Then you have Gintama's absurdly specific Comedy that either has you laughing or shouting racism.

Shows can be analyzed, and people like to analyze them. Why do you think sites like Crunchyroll allow you to review series? Because the opinions of others matters to us! We want to know when we miss something deep and important, when something is more shallow and boring than it should have been.

We want to know things, you don't go to discussion forums to tell people to stop talking about it, that defeats the purpose of discussion!


That bad, huh? I stopped watching Last Airbender at around the end of the second season (I don't know why though, it was amazing). Is Legend of Korra really that much of a downgrade from the original?
Posted 10/22/13
Nobody is blasting One Piece?

You haven't been reading enough forum posts, if you think One Piece isn't as criticized as any other popular animes. :-/
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Angerudusto wrote:
That bad, huh? I stopped watching Last Airbender at around the end of the second season (I don't know why though, it was amazing). Is Legend of Korra really that much of a downgrade from the original?


I'd say Korra's suffering from the same issue as the Star Wars prequels. It's not really horrible in itself, but it's the followup to a better show which people have a strong nostalgic attachment to. I'd say it's just mediocre, but the way some people talk about it, you'd think it was directed by a Nazi who eats baby airbenders. Though, admittedly, the villain is basically that.
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Angerudusto wrote:

That bad, huh? I stopped watching Last Airbender at around the end of the second season (I don't know why though, it was amazing). Is Legend of Korra really that much of a downgrade from the original?


I'll get started!

Well, Last Airbender gave us hope for the future, of children's programing. It had well written characters, a diverse cast, a solid plot, and to top everything off a gigantic masterpiece of an Ending. I remember watching the final dual-episodes with my extended family, Me and my two siblings, our three younger cousins, our parents and grandparents. Like everybody on the internet was saying "There is no way the ending can meet our expectations"
And it did a hundred times over, like just remembering it.... The animation and scenery alone.

Legend of Korra had a lot of strong steps, it worked with a diverse and entirely new cast. A number of characters came across as really freaking awesome, and they were all a product of a new time.

Spoiler Territory....I like ranting about Legend of Korra ok?


But yeah, we like to rant about what we care about. Legend of Korra was so amazing at first, so when it crashed I have to point out why so others can avoid it.
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Some people, mostly critics, like to think they are much smarter and edgier then they actually are. Yes, it's a critics job to criticize, and it's fine for fans to argue about the shows they like/hate, but there is a point where it becomes entirely self-serving and unproductive, and that's where I would certainly draw the line.

As far as critics go I really like the point Seekerperson made about a critic needing to keep in mind what their audience will actually care about -- If you try hard enough you can probably find flaws in just about any show, that doesn't mean the vast majority of your audience will actually care about those small flaws. They simply aren't going to be looking for things like that in the same way as a critic because it's not their job to do so.

A good critic understands that ultimately all reviews are subjective and mostly opinion, and that should dictate the way he/she writes. You don't want to sound authoritative necessarily, but more suggestive. Basically, "oy, if you're like me you will probably like/hate this show." That is the message that should be sent. In my experience, anime critics are some of the worst around with few exceptions. This also makes it kind of hard to find a reliable source for critique, unfortunately, which makes the medium as a whole less accessible.

Anyways, when it comes to fans doing the overanalyzing it doesn't matter so much to me. Some people like to do it because they enjoy it (I certainly do from time to time) some people for more nefarious reasons. Either way, as a fan I think that's totally fine. If your analysis is bad or overly critical or whatever, it doesn't really matter because you're not getting paid to do it professionally. You aren't responsible for informing the masses. You're just a fan on the internet having a good time talking about what they like, which is entirely normal.
Posted 10/24/13
This can be said for every medium and it`s very frustrating if it`s showed in your face, as when people attack something that is pretty good by general consensus, it`s seems like it is more popular to point out it`s flaws and what not. Same stuff happen in game like people do with gta v and point out it`s shortcomings, but fail to realize that other sandbox games are missing half of what that has. Then there is cod which rightfully gets the stick it deserves.

However, it can be all good and fun for people and it`s always nice to stay on top of things, point out where flaws are and having a rational discussion and what not about it. What is not fun how people sometimes states facts or show them in others face so they can somehow "ruin" the show for someone. It`s unnecessary and childish.

With that said, it is the internet. Only thing that can counter it is having some mods watch over and ban people that continue to do so. This attitude is not gonna change for a while and we just have to accept it. It`s a part of the "freedom" that sucks. My advice is, unless it`s a dedicated thread or a rational discussion, let it be. They only do it for reaction and if they get none, they will either move on or go another place.
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