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Hey all,

So I was flipping through the TV stations last night and caught this film on CNN. It's about captive killer whales and all the tragedies surrounding that subject. It's a smear campaign and rightly so in my opinion. It focuses on Seaworld as the main culprit for their reckless and dishonest practices. From having their employees tell guests misinformation to covering up incidents.

I lived in Orlando during 2 of the deaths and remember the news coverage during those days. I went into the movie thinking "oh I heard all about it, this isn't going to be new to me" but fuck was I wrong. After living in the city where this all happened it turns out I didn't know shit.

Take for instance the first man who was killed. I remember news coverage saying he died from the cold water or likely drowned. It wasn't until watching the film yesterday that I learned he was covered in scrapes and bite marks and his scrotum had been ripped. I'm mean sure, something dangling around the killer whale could have thought it was something else.

Then came the incident in 2010. I was told by the news that she was grabbed and drowned. Simple and clean right? I remember the media coverage since it was on all the time. I thought I knew all there was to know about the "accident". They made it sound as if the orca was playing. The news focused instead on how the decline in tourists might effect the economy and jobs and shit like that. It wasn't until the last 24 hours that I finally learned what actually happened to that poor girl...

"Blunt force injuries of the head and neck: Avulsion of the scalp and associated galeal and subgaleal hemorrhage. Lacerations of the right ear. Abrasions of the left cheek. Fracture of the mandible, with associated laceration and hemorrhage of the oral mucosa. Fracture of the 7th cervical vertebra, with associated hemorrhage of the paravertebral musculature, epidural hemorrhage, and softening of the underlying spinal cord. Blunt force injuries of the torso: Abrasions of the upper left back. Fractures of the posterior aspects of the 9th through 11th left ribs. Fracture of the sternum at the level of the 2nd rib insertion. Liver lacerations. Hemoperitoneum (500 ml). Blunt force injuries of the extremities: Abrasions, lacerations, and contusions of the extremities. Complete avulsion of the upper left extremity with associated fracture of the proximal left humerus. Dislocation of the elbow. Dislocation of the left knee."


- Medical Examiner

Bleeding Christ! That woman was annihilated. The two big things that stood out were the fact that she was scalped and had her arm ripped off. Beyond that, the whale swallowed the arm he tore off. I mean for fuck sake, the only thing you could have hoped for is that she was dead before she could feel too much pain.

Seaworld still says she was at fault for having a ponytail, which is what they say the whale grabbed, saying he was just playing. People who were there however said the orca grabbed her by the left arm... The same arm he tore off and ate. All this happening during a show called 'Dine with Shamu'... Yeah he dined alright...

After seeing this movie I have decided to never go back to Seaworld for any reason. I will not pay money to see an animal that dines on the flesh of humans and line the pockets of the evil bitches and bastards who exploits the majesty of its animals and the good nature of it's employees.
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Wow, that makes Great White sharks sound kind! I never really had a fondness for killer whales, and this gives me another reason not to warm up to them.
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Posted 10/28/13
-gets fishing pole- Killer whales them good eating
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Posted 10/28/13
I thought it was like Catfish, but blacker. BET's catfish.
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You leave something dead floating around in a top tier preditors tank and its gonna fiddle with it (for the first girl).

As for the second, I believe that she got bashed against the side of the tank by it (knocked out immediately, also most of the blunt force trauma (broken bones etc)) then held underwater for a while.

At the end of the day, these people know the risks. You're getting in a tank with littlem ore than a killing machine, orcas look like cute which is why people dont see them as such but they really will kill and eat anything. I mean, would anyone be surprised if you got in a tank with a great white with just a wetsuit on?
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mipegg is right, those people knew what they were getting into when they signed up for the job. It's unfortunate, yes, but such is the nature of orcas. They are considerably more vicious than sharks. Most sharks will avoid confrontation if possible; orcas will initiate the confrontation. They are territorial and aggressive, hence the term "killer whale".

These are beasts that should definitely not be kept in captivity if a habitat is available and the animal is able. Parks like SeaWorld have a history of brutal capture methods just so they can put orcas and other sea life on display for human entertainment. Nowadays, I think SeaWorld only holds animals that cannot return to the wild for one reason or another, much like a zoo. It's arguable if that makes it okay to display them to the public or not, but it's better than euthanizing them or sending them out in the oceans just to be swiftly killed, I suppose.

Sad situation for both the deceased and the captive orcas.
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It really isn't in their nature actually. Not a single human has been killed in the wild. They have no interest in humans because compared to a fat seal it's like eating a drumstick without the meat. They can eat anything but its not like if they can't find food they'll swim up to the nearest boat and make a meal of its crew. But you are right, the potential risk is always there. Up until a year ago people thought hippos were exclusively herbivores after all.
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They're killer whales.

What?

Do people really think they're cuddly? They chew up penguins and seals for fun *after* they've had enough to eat. They're like the house cats of the open ocean.
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Orcas are apex predators and extremely intelligent animals. Tilikum was stolen out of the wild. He was part of a transient pod which migrates all over, from the waters of Iceland to Africa and beyond. Imagine being taken from that to swimming in circles in a tiny tank. I imagine he's frustrated.

It's true they don't bother with humans in the wild but if you think they're gentle just watch a video of them torturing a dolphin before killing it. They were teaching their young about hunting. That's just how predators are. Doesn't make them mean or anything, but they should be respected.

Another amazing video is how they make a wave to knock a seal off an ice floe.

Orcas are not well suited to captivity. They don't live as long, they fight because they aren't stimulated enough and can't get any privacy. One died from breaking a jaw artery during a fight. There's a video of it on youtube, pretty horrible to watch blood spurting from her blowhole for 45 minutes until she bled to death, all this with her calf swimming around her.

But yea while Blackfish does misrepresent several points regarding orcas, I am totally in agreement that they shouldn't be kept in captivity. Those born in captivity have to stay because they will likely die of bacterial disease in the oceans soon after release. I don't think orca capture is still going on, so it should be a dying industry anyway. Dolphins in Taiji and whale slaughter in the Faroe Islands are bigger issues now.

It would be nice if Sea World stopped with the entertainment industry and focused more on promoting conversation and education. They do both those things, but I'll never be able to support them as long as they make intelligent animals do tricks for a bunch of stupid people in order to eat.
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Posted 10/28/13

MysticGon wrote:

It really isn't in their nature actually. Not a single human has been killed in the wild. They have no interest in humans because compared to a fat seal it's like eating a drumstick without the meat. They can eat anything but its not like if they can't find food they'll swim up to the nearest boat and make a meal of its crew. But you are right, the potential risk is always there. Up until a year ago people thought hippos were exclusively herbivores after all.


Well, orcas have considerably less contact with humans then, say, sharks to begin with. They live in colder climates where people don't normally swim and encroach on their territory. Hence why not a lot of people die from orca attacks. Not saying that they'd go out of their way to attack people, just that they are pretty nasty suckers and would tear you up in a heartbeat if you got too close. More for protection purposes than food.

Hippos just LOOK terrifying, man. Dem jaws. Wouldn't go near one if you paid me.
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Posted 10/28/13
A group of blackfish ganged up on me and stole my submarine once.
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Sorry folks a few inaccuracies on my part. The orca did not swallow the whole arm, just a piece of it. It turns out the staff got the whale into a shallow pool, threw a net over him and pried his maw open to try and get the trainer out. His mouth slammed shut taking her arm, so they had to pry it open again to get it out.
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