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Posted 10/30/13

Angerudusto wrote:

Elitism sucks. Stop being a Podtaku goon and try being yourself.

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Exactly
Posted 10/30/13

kufirst wrote:

Let's just lay some ground rules, I have flawless taste in anime.


To build on this, I have flawless tastes in everything,
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I am not an elitist but I am entitled................

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Posted 10/30/13 , edited 10/30/13

SockmyRock wrote:



Is it just people trying to be a part of group?


Yes and no.

Elitist are trying to be a part of a group by separating themselves for another group. It's kind of like the Goth and Punk scene. You separate yourself in order to join something else that you think is a better group representation of your individualism.

Honestly, Elitism is not any different from about every other "-ism" out there. Groups, within groups trying not to be a part of other groups in order to express group individuality. "You're unique. Just like everyone else."


Does being an eltist make them feel better about themselves?


More like try to fix poor self-esteem. They have a false sense of feeling good about themselves or their opinion, and, it usually comes crashing down once their 15-minutes wears off. Knowledge doesn't make up for a lack of self-esteem. It merely delays the inevitable.

I should mention here that there is a vast difference between being confident and attempting to be an elitist. There's a huge difference between being confident and being arrogant. It's quite possible that you could mistake someone with a healthy, confident sense of self-esteem with an arrogant elitist who looks down upon people not among his peers.


Or what reasons do you guys think that elitism is such a big part of any medium these days?


Percentage wise? Not much. One loud mouthed elitist prick can create enough disturbance for 20 people. Loud people just seem like the majority when in actuality, they are most likely the minority.

By condemning Elitism, you are also an elitist. Catch-22.
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Posted 10/30/13
Realistically when people do that they are only cheating themselves by not being open. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't have things they strongly believe in, but strongly believing in something and going out of your way to make people feel excluded from your group for disagreeing or differing in opinion are two entirely different things. Even when you strongly believe in things you should have an open mind and be able to have civil discussion and welcome new people. It can be hard and some struggle with that balance more than others...

If you're asking for opinions on how I deal with it hmmm..... It is a constant struggle. I generally just am a loner and do what I want to do and enjoy what I want. But I don't want to cheat myself and I do like people and people being different. I do my best not to argue back and to try and be friendly. If I don't feel welcome I'll just move on. If it's opinions I take their opinions under consideration and then just go on liking what I enjoy if it's different. I don't generally run in groups much though. :S
Posted 10/30/13
Elitists are the very opposite of what they claim. When you hang pretty drapes over a hideous picture, it conceals a terrible truth.

No one is saved from the reality of having unsavory qualities. When the idea of morality comes into the picture, hypocrisy is often noticed. Elitism is, unfortunately, supremacy. With supremacy, you have arrogance. You have an insistence upon being taken more seriously than someone else. This may be counted true in the sense that a highly refined individual is more desirable to be around than a lunatic who can't differentiate between sanity and insanity. It's the standard that you often have to give special rights to the elite over good people who don't happen to be blue-blooded or really distinguished by numerous qualifications.

In these post-modern times, elitism is so centered around affluence which leads to everything else being obtained, except, i.e., true love. A rich man can "have it all," but does he really? Might be his trophies (especially his betrothed) are merely there for show, dressing what is only a superficial, shallow person. If all it takes is smiling, shaking a few hands, pitching propositions, and signing papers to get rich, where is the distinguishing depth? I guess it must take some real work to become top dog, but you would have to alienate your loved ones for it. That's nothing special. You only fed yourself to the corporate dark lords for fanciness - or became one.

I will admit that I'd rather be elite than a drudge with not even the power over oneself. Still, superiority is a foul stench, and horrible odors aren't ever inviting, unless someone happens to enjoy them.
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Posted 10/30/13 , edited 10/30/13
There's more to elitism than just being a dick to make yourself feel better.
If you have decades of experience in a certain field, you ARE (in relation to those who have none or very little experience) part of an elite.
Your opinion DOES carry more weight. It IS more important, since you actually KNOW what you're talking about.
That's why adults "rule" over their kids. That's why professionals are hired to get tricky jobs done, not amateurs.

Things get problematic when arrogance comes into play.
Many so-called "experts" and "professionals" you see on TV or the Internet are indeed just lying scumbag who try to make a profit by spreading BS.
And yes, there are people who just act like crap and try to push nonsense on other people just to "win" an argument.
You can hardly call these "elite" though.
They don't act like that because they know stuff, they act like it because they DON'T (even though they think otherwise).

Also, don't confuse elitism with enthusiasm.
Some people just love a certain thing so much, they want to share their joy with everyone (and get a bit pushy when you don't comply).
That's pretty normal, isn't it? Just decline nicely.

In the end, it all comes down to respecting another person's tastes and opinions without putting yourself above them just because your opinion differs from theirs.
I'd love to strangle anyone who calls Beyond: Two Souls the game of the year, but I can live with the fact that there are people who seem to enjoy kusoge a lot. (Pardon my crappy humour.)
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Naruto is just OK for me, that's how much of a Manga snob I am, Hahaha!
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Posted 10/30/13

Hairbelly wrote:


SockmyRock wrote:



Is it just people trying to be a part of group?


Yes and no.

Elitist are trying to be a part of a group by separating themselves for another group. It's kind of like the Goth and Punk scene. You separate yourself in order to join something else that you think is a better group representation of your individualism.

Honestly, Elitism is not any different from about every other "-ism" out there. Groups, within groups trying not to be a part of other groups in order to express group individuality. "You're unique. Just like everyone else."


Does being an eltist make them feel better about themselves?


More like try to fix poor self-esteem. They have a false sense of feeling good about themselves or their opinion, and, it usually comes crashing down once their 15-minutes wears off. Knowledge doesn't make up for a lack of self-esteem. It merely delays the inevitable.

I should mention here that there is a vast difference between being confident and attempting to be an elitist. There's a huge difference between being confident and being arrogant. It's quite possible that you could mistake someone with a healthy, confident sense of self-esteem with an arrogant elitist who looks down upon people not among his peers.


Or what reasons do you guys think that elitism is such a big part of any medium these days?


Percentage wise? Not much. One loud mouthed elitist prick can create enough disturbance for 20 people. Loud people just seem like the majority when in actuality, they are most likely the minority.

By condemning Elitism, you are also an elitist. Catch-22.


I have to say that your post has been favorite post so far on this forum. That last comment made me stop and think for a bit at just how I was approaching the situation, and I do have to say that I was approaching it from a biased approach when I started this forum. Ironically, I was an "elitist" in my early teenage years. I'll admit that I did have my head up in my ass during this time. I think you make a very valid point when you talk about how it gives a false sense of self-esteem, and I did have self esteem issue back then.

Catch-22 fit perfectly for what I feel about elitsm. I was one back in the day, and I have had arguements with elitist after I got my head out of my ass. Maybe I'm just bitter about the fact that I see my old self in those elitist I see wandering around the web.
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Posted 10/30/13

haikinka wrote:


kufirst wrote:

Let's just lay some ground rules, I have flawless taste in anime.


To build on this, I have flawless tastes in everything,


You meant to say shitty tastes in everything.
Posted 10/30/13

kufirst wrote:

You meant to say shitty tastes in everything.


:c
Yes yes I did
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Posted 10/30/13

haikinka wrote:


kufirst wrote:

You meant to say shitty tastes in everything.


:c
Yes yes I did


No worries, I still love you.

We always talk on Halloween, why is that?
Posted 10/30/13

kufirst wrote:

No worries, I still love you.

We always talk on Halloween, why is that?


I don't want your love I only want you for your body.

Yeah, it's intentional. I cleverly articulated it this way.
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Am I good enough for you? I know how fickle you are.

You're about the only clever one left here anymore.
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Posted 10/30/13
u call a person who use word/talk/typing/giving opinion/bashing, a elitist? a real ones dont state that they are ones by stating with method i mention earlier,but show it by action,u earn your elitism by action , not talk. EG: playing a game really good/showing how it is done correctly/accurately/lowest amount of time [this is just an example]
just ignore those who talk with no action,they are just trying too hard to be include in the group/association,etc,etc. challenge them,if u think they r not what they claim to be[and if u got the mood for that] see what they offer,if they really what claim they are,u gain knowledge/experience,if they failed at proving what they claim to be,well,its wasted time,but it time well spent ,trying to gain more experience[about the subject u r challenging them]
anyway,this post seems like a endless babbling i should end it now,good day to ya'll!
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