First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
Elitism
Posted 12/15/13 , edited 12/15/13

AnimeGirlNJ wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying people shouldn't have things they strongly believe in, but strongly believing in something and going out of your way to make people feel excluded from your group for disagreeing or differing in opinion are two entirely different things


That's how I feel about it.


I also think the word elitist is thrown around needlessly at times. For example, I've come across some thought provoking reviews and talked to critics themselves who can actually back up their opinion with solid, logical arguments and research. Enough to even change my mind about the things I love/loved. Yet when they sincerely and thoroughly criticise and analyse something (negatively) that the majority love, a lot of people rush to automatically brand as elitists, trolls, hipsters etc when the criticism it doesn't pander to their taste. Most people can't even refute the criticism and resort to the "it's only my opinion" defence to avoid real conflict and avoid questioning their own opinion because they have become so personally identified with it.

Yet there are elitist out there who are just plain insecure, assholes who exclude and belittle people to feel better about themselves. It's probably their way to cope with their crappy, purposeless and unfulfilled lives.
27486 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / Kaguya's Panties
Offline
Posted 12/15/13 , edited 12/15/13
Elitists suuuuuck!
8782 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 12/15/13

kufirst wrote:

Let's just lay some ground rules, I have flawless taste in anime.


everyone and no one have flawless tastes in all media

on original topic i think elitists just few the things they like as the best and there taste as THE taste in anime. Personally i find these kinds of people WAY more common and annoying in video game related areas but all elitist should be revoked of the write to be on the internet.
1651 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M / Mor Dhona
Offline
Posted 12/15/13
OP almost hit the nail on the head.

Part of the reason behind elitism is indeed to belong to a special, exclusive "club." The vast majority of people are social by nature, so they want to feel like they belong to a group. When someone else becomes a part of that group, the people who were there first assume they're better because they knew about it beforehand, or create arbitrary conditions for belonging to the group.

You see it all the time, from guilds in MMOs who deride people for getting to content slower than them to anime fans who started before DBZ made it popular.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsPopularNowItSucks
2424 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M
Offline
Posted 12/15/13 , edited 12/15/13
Ehrmm, so being an elitist basically means "I PWN YOU ALL AT CONSUMERISM, MUAHAHAHA".

Yeah, I'll give them that one. As long as they don't also pwn me at Super Smash Bros., I'll be okay.
64447 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
34 / M / US
Offline
Posted 12/15/13 , edited 12/15/13
Some things are better than others. Sometimes elitists are correct.

Lets take music for example. Justin Bieber is a pop-icon who was made overnight by a marketing firm. He does not wright music or have any particular musical talent. He was a competent performer and a face that a marketing firm used. The tunes "he" produces are written for him to perform by corporate composers. These songs are written per a formula (including tempo and beat that are memorable, and consideration for what is currently popular) in order to sell. The same is true for numerous pop stars (a while back I think it was Rhianna sued over a song sounding too similar to another pop star's song, only to find out that both songs were written by the same professional composer) The marketing firms are also in league with (or outright owned by) the same media companies that produce radio shows, so this pop drivel gets far more airtime than starving artists with more talent. It is a system designed to make money, not to further the arts.

To liken this with Anime, there are several shows merely made to fill time. The Japanese TV format of 13 episode blocks means that new shows need to be made constantly. Even if a show is popular and continues, those people involved need breaks sometimes, so there will be periods of hiatus when a continuing show is off the air for a while (think about Gintama). This means that for the sake of having new content on the air, studios will sometimes produce shows of inferior quality to fill a slot. They may be inferior due to the inexperience of the writers, or due to the production methods or budget restraints, or due to the haste in which they were produced, or due to a poor story adaptation, or due to poor ratings causing an early cancellation, but they are inferior nonetheless. Some shows really are better than others.

So the "elitists" in most topics are not necessarily wrong - whether we are discussing arts and media, or food, or cars, there really is a quality range. Those who are inexperienced will find something to their liking, but without knowing the vast world, they will mistakenly believe the first thing enjoyed is among the best. For example: imagine you eat shit everyday growing up. It tastes like shit. You get used to the taste of shit. THEN, one day, you get to eat at McDonalds. To you, McDonalds' food tastes heavenly (because you grew up eating shit). When someone tells you that McDonalds is terrible and that you should try some blackened swordfish or some filet minion, you get offended because someone badmouthed something you liked. That isn't an "elitist" being smug, that is sound advice, but you (who grew up eating shit) have not learned to enjoy better things. That isn't the "elitists'" fault, it is your inexperience.

I know this to be true. I am older than most on this site and I am better traveled than most people in the world, period. I have seen and done a lot. I often hear rave reviews of a new anime or a new restaurant, only to be disappointed. The older you get, the more things you experience, the more you will understand the difference between real quality and simply "new to you."

So if an "elitist" tells you to try something, consider the source. If this "elitist" has enjoyed the hobby longer than you or has more or different experience than you, it would be wise to consider his advice rather than getting pissy about it. You might learn something or find something better than you had imagined.

That said, we all have different tastes. There are several things that I adore which are objectively terrible (Starship Troopers, Jack-in-the-box's Bacon ultimate cheeseburgers, etc. ), and I am OK with that. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a cheezy pop song, or a B movie, or McDonalds food, or whatever. When an "elitist" tells you that your choice is horrible, it is OK to agree and still enjoy it. Liking something does not make it good, and it is OK to like things that are bad sometimes.

As far as most of the "you aren't a real fan if" lists are concerned, those are mostly people who enjoy a topic ranting about their favorites. Taking offense to that is childish. I am old enough to remember shows most of you have never even heard of and I'm certain that my "you aren't a fan list" would be WAY different from most of yours. You can consider adding the entries of these lists to your to-watch list, or you can ignore it. Hobbies and arts are made to be enjoyed. Getting annoyed that another person's subjective list doesn't match your experience is missing the point entirely. Those "elitists," for the most part, just want to share their enjoyment with you.
4878 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
45 / LV-426
Offline
Posted 12/15/13
Well, your major religions don't seem to have a problem with it.
Posted 12/15/13
I think elitist in things which are down to personal taste such as anime, music and etc are stupid due to the that they don't realize that you can not be an elitist in these respects as the definition says it is in respect of intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society. none of these have any thing to do with preference therefor they are not elitist just p****s. However i think that there is nothing wrong with being elitist in the other terms is fine as society is almost set up to split us into groups of the rich and the poor, the less intelligent and intelligent, therefore i think there is not much you can do about it as people naturally become elitist.
Also i will not lie i am elitist my self but i think its more years of being bullied by the less intelligent and poorer people then me has just made me think why would i want to be like or associate with those scum.
528 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / Δ Hidden Forbidde...
Offline
Posted 12/15/13

Genbu89 wrote:

OP almost hit the nail on the head.

Part of the reason behind elitism is indeed to belong to a special, exclusive "club." The vast majority of people are social by nature, so they want to feel like they belong to a group. When someone else becomes a part of that group, the people who were there first assume they're better because they knew about it beforehand, or create arbitrary conditions for belonging to the group.

You see it all the time, from guilds in MMOs who deride people for getting to content slower than them to anime fans who started before DBZ made it popular.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItsPopularNowItSucks


My god... elitists are hipsters?!

Sailor Candy Moderator
200584 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
28
Offline
Posted 11/26/14
Year-end cleaning. Removing threads that have been inactive since 2013.
First  Prev  1  2  3  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.