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manic221 wrote: it's easy for you to blindly defend crunchyroll when your sitting on your throne isn't it? with everything Crunchyroll licences PLUS a million alternatives if for whatever reason you fall out for them.

You really shouldn't stereotype people and what they have experienced. I lived in Australia for a decade. Heck, I lived in Grenada for a couple of years, on the Grenville side of the island where there wasn't the single TV channel that the western side of the island had. And of course my wife is from the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is in the majority of Africa that gets far less than the UK gets.

The fact remains that UK members have better access than most of the world. You focus on the comparison to the Canada/US region, and simply ignore the comparison between most of Sub-Saharan Africa to the UK, or the main ASEAN countries to the UK.

Or the Middle East and the UK: Alexa's site rank gives 3.5% of Crunchyroll visitors from Saudi Arabia.

From most of the world, all of the complaints that the UK doesn't have 100% of the access available to the largest pool of subscribers basically sound like, "We deserve to get special treament because ...", except why the UK deserves special treatment compared to Latin America, the West Indies, the Middle East or Africa is never actually explained.


Lol only 2? Have you seen the UK's simulcasts this season? It's one of the worst i've seen we lost 6 due to competition not to mention the other ones we lost. but it's fine i can see Strike the Blood and Golden Time so i'm happy.

Yes, only two ~ for the past three years its been normal for the UK to get around 80% of series for a Fall season. The two that Wakanim licensed through AllTheAnime ~ Samurai Flamenco and KILL la KILL ~ are the ones that put the UK below 75%. Without those, it would be at 79%, which is normal for a Fall season.


Sometimes i wonder if Americans know any of the world apart from there own country... Do you realise how small the UK is even? Providing a million is correct which it is likely it isn't because they reported that a long while ago i'm sure it's got higher since 1m subscribers but even if it hasn't 1m is still 10% of the UK population! That is ALOT of people!

It may be a large market share, but what matters for the business deal is the total number. A pool of one million people cannot expect to get the same titles on the same terms as a pool of 20m people.

Same as here at Crunchyroll. If the members of every country paid a "fair price" based on sharing out the common overheads equally, and then sharing out the per-country contracting costs across the members in each country, the UK would paid a subscription fee substantially higher than US members pay.

Instead, Crunchyroll allows the US revenue cross-subsidize the contracting for the UK, Scandinavia, Latin America, Australia & New Zealand, the Middle East, etcetera, because Crunchyroll knows that charging those smaller markets their fair share of overhead costs would drive members from those countries away.

And its been a successful strategy, as we see by the fact that membership grew from 100,000 to 200,000 in just six months.

The end result is everybody gets more anime than they would have otherwise had access to, whether that is the 85% of simulcasts that the UK normally gets, or the 25% of simulcasts that Sub-Saharan Africa normally gets.



agila61 you're really something else. Basically telling us we should be satisfied with what we have because we have it better than others. You know, I noticed it several times before but I thought maybe your incentives didn't transfer over well electronically but you really do have a disgusting attitude. Reminds me of Don Mattrick of Microsoft. We're customers! We should mean as much to Crunchyroll as any of their other customers. Crunchyroll is an international establishment not an American one that occasionally enables other regions. It should treat itself as such. Regardless of how small our revenue is in comparison to you Americans it's still that. Revenue, and Crunchyroll as an establishment will want that money so long as it's profiting, which obviously it is. If Crunchyroll has issues licensing certain titles for fellow European members then atleast give a concise explanation and apology! This is a professional service and they need to treat their customers better!

If you're not an official member of the Crunchyroll team I suggest you mind your own business and let officials handle complaints. As customers these people are entitled to the best and all I've seen you do is rally up friction among members.

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If Crunchyroll has issues licensing certain titles for fellow European members then atleast give a concise explanation and apology! This is a professional service and they need to treat their customers better!

If you're not an official member of the Crunchyroll team I suggest you mind your own business and let officials handle complaints. As customers these people are entitled to the best and all I've seen you do is rally up friction among members.

The problem is that Crunchyroll most likely can't give an explanation because of non-disclosure terms in the contract. Japanese companies like keeping their deals behind closed doors so they wouldn't want CR coming out and directly saying that someone else has the rights. Either way it's obvious that CR couldn't get UK rights because the deal was blocked in some way, most likely because some other company has exclusive streaming rights for the UK and doesn't want to share them. It's actually quite remarkable that they got as many regions as they did for a series that has already been licensed around the world.

CR Staff have been moderating this thread and I'm sure they would have provided an explanation if they could. Instead they have to rely on more informed users to help give an explanation. They could apologize, which they have done in the past, but then they would be apologizing to some country pretty much every news post. It's not like an apology would stop people complaining anyway.

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Still very gutted that One Piece won't be available on here for us UK Premium Members
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CyanSwan wrote:

If Crunchyroll has issues licensing certain titles for fellow European members then atleast give a concise explanation and apology! This is a professional service and they need to treat their customers better!

If you're not an official member of the Crunchyroll team I suggest you mind your own business and let officials handle complaints. As customers these people are entitled to the best and all I've seen you do is rally up friction among members.

The problem is that Crunchyroll most likely can't give an explanation because of non-disclosure terms in the contract. Japanese companies like keeping their deals behind closed doors so they wouldn't want CR coming out and directly saying that someone else has the rights. Either way it's obvious that CR couldn't get UK rights because the deal was blocked in some way, most likely because some other company has exclusive streaming rights for the UK and doesn't want to share them. It's actually quite remarkable that they got as many regions as they did for a series that has already been licensed around the world.

CR Staff have been moderating this thread and I'm sure they would have provided an explanation if they could. Instead they have to rely on more informed users to help give an explanation. They could apologize, which they have done in the past, but then they would be apologizing to some country pretty much every news post. It's not like an apology would stop people complaining anyway.



Wording can go a long way. They don't have to come right out and say someone else has the rights or whom but they could at least mention that there were issues with acquiring them for certain regions to show they tried. As I've said before just a little communication. While an apology wouldn't cease complaints it would show that Crunchyroll acknowledges it's customers. It isn't supposed to be for self-gratification by getting heat off their backs but rather to show they actually give a penny. None of us knows for certain what the issues are since we're not included on the details of negotiations for obvious reason. We can only speculate while CR remains silent. Regardless of what goes on behind closed doors, with so little communication it's easy for these people to lose trust in CR.
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llamaben wrote: It's actually quite remarkable that they got as many regions as they did for a series that has already been licensed around the world.

This is a real important point here. Crunchyroll was able to get some regions that Toei ITSELF didn't have the rights to for their Daisuki stream. The Daisuki stream is North America, India, Thailand, Indonesia, and Vietnam. And its not even the simulcast ~ its starting with episode one, and is only up to episode 21.


KimmyKins83 wrote: Still very gutted that One Piece won't be available on here for us UK Premium Members

Yeah, it sucks. Hopefully the series is a big enough success at Crunchyroll that whichever company has the UK rights. Or else Sony is in negotiations for it at Animax UK, which would not be that big of a surprise.


CyanSwan wrote: agila61 you're really something else. Basically telling us we should be satisfied with what we have because ...

When did I ever say that? Region restrictions suck, and UK members ought to find out which company has the streaming rights in the UK and get on their case to give the rights to Crunchyroll.

Obviously Crunchyroll can't say which company has the rights. For those who are unaware where anime comes from, it comes from Japan. So Crunchyroll does a lot of licensing with Japanese companies, and if Crunchyroll got the reputation for being a blabbermouth, a lot of those licenses would stop being granted.

But Reading Is Fundamental. I never once said anybody should be satisfied with region access restrictions.

The thing is, what good does it do to clamor at Crunchyroll about it? Any clear, objective look at international rights at different streaming companies will show that Crunchyroll works as hard as anyone to get as broad access as they can get. A couple of years ago, half of new simulcasts were US/Canada-only. This season its exactly two new simulcasts ~ over 90% of new simulcasts are available somewhere outside of North America.

Anybody who imagines that happens without hard work to make it happen is clueless on how international licensing works.


CyanSwan wrote: If you're not an official member of the Crunchyroll team I suggest you mind your own business and let officials handle complaints. As customers these people are entitled to the best and all I've seen you do is rally up friction among members.

As a member, I have just as much right to comment on claims people make on these forums as anybody else.

UK members have the right to make comments where they demand that access to various anime series in US, Canada, elsewhere in Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, or Australia/New Zealand should be denied unless UK rights can be gained.

And I equally well have the right to say I think that demand is destructive nonsense.
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This is great! I've always wondered why you guys didn't have it. Thanks so much!
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agila61 wrote:


llamaben wrote: It's actually quite remarkable that they got as many regions as they did for a series that has already been licensed around the world.

This is a real important point here. Crunchyroll was able to get some regions that Toei ITSELF didn't have the rights to for their Daisuki stream. The Daisuki stream is North America, India, Thailand, Indonesia, and Vietnam. And its not even the simulcast ~ its starting with episode one, and is only up to episode 21.


KimmyKins83 wrote: Still very gutted that One Piece won't be available on here for us UK Premium Members

Yeah, it sucks. Hopefully the series is a big enough success at Crunchyroll that whichever company has the UK rights. Or else Sony is in negotiations for it at Animax UK, which would not be that big of a surprise.


CyanSwan wrote: agila61 you're really something else. Basically telling us we should be satisfied with what we have because ...

When did I ever say that? Region restrictions suck, and UK members ought to find out which company has the streaming rights in the UK and get on their case to give the rights to Crunchyroll.

Obviously Crunchyroll can't say which company has the rights. For those who are unaware where anime comes from, it comes from Japan. So Crunchyroll does a lot of licensing with Japanese companies, and if Crunchyroll got the reputation for being a blabbermouth, a lot of those licenses would stop being granted.

But Reading Is Fundamental. I never once said anybody should be satisfied with region access restrictions.

The thing is, what good does it do to clamor at Crunchyroll about it? Any clear, objective look at international rights at different streaming companies will show that Crunchyroll works as hard as anyone to get as broad access as they can get. A couple of years ago, half of new simulcasts were US/Canada-only. This season its exactly two new simulcasts ~ over 90% of new simulcasts are available somewhere outside of North America.

Anybody who imagines that happens without hard work to make it happen is clueless on how international licensing works.


CyanSwan wrote: If you're not an official member of the Crunchyroll team I suggest you mind your own business and let officials handle complaints. As customers these people are entitled to the best and all I've seen you do is rally up friction among members.

As a member, I have just as much right to comment on claims people make on these forums as anybody else.

UK members have the right to make comments where they demand that access to various anime series in US, Canada, elsewhere in Europe, Latin America, the Middle East, or Australia/New Zealand should be denied unless UK rights can be gained.

And I equally well have the right to say I think that demand is destructive nonsense.


You've repeatedly brought up the fact that the UK has more region access than various other regions in your response to that other user. If that isn't an indirect way of telling us to stop complaining and be satisfied with what we have I don't know what is. Furthermore these people "clamor" to Crunchyroll because this is the service they are subscribed to. This is the service indebted to them for being their faithful customers. And without any form of communication between Crunchyroll and region restricted members how exactly are we to understand what is happening or how we can go about fixing it? They don't need to tell us details but as a service they are entitled to keeping their customers informed.

Having a large selection of titles to choose from is rewarding but what good does that serve if they aren't the ones the customers are interested in? Suddenly that remaining 10% doesn't seem so low does it? Having 90% if not all of titles available internationally is a brilliant accomplishment but should be expected of an international establishment nonetheless.

And please refrain from comparing the ridiculous claims from one selective individual to a group. I'm not accusing CR of being lazy because I have said many times in this thread that I understand there can be complications with region restrictions but I am annoyed at the responses I've seen from users such as yourself and the lack of communication from CR.
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like the new addition, seriously hulu's exorbitant amount of commercials kills the series
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Can someone please send me a link to the countdown? It's not showing on my computer
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OMG FINALLY YES!!!!!!
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I cannot wait until 7:00 pm
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USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and Latin America. <- and the rest of the world will become pirates (pun intended)

at least we can watch hunter x hunter here on crunchy :)

FYI: i have been a premium member for years now
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wait a min you finally got onepiece and us in the uk cannot watch it? that is fucking bullshit
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Posted 11/2/13 , edited 11/2/13

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USA, Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and Latin America. <- and the rest of the world will become pirates (pun intended)

At least that means South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and and all of Latin America no longer have to be pirates. (The U.S. and Canada have had it for years, just not on CR).

India, Thailand, Indonesia, and Vietnam also have limited access on Daisuki.net. (Limited = no simulcast, slowly building their episode catalog from the beginning).

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Wow, Crunchyroll is making history, congratulations!.
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