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Posted 10/31/13 , edited 10/31/13

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manic221 wrote: Good for Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Latin America but thats still a tiny percentage of Crunchyrolls user base.



TheAncientOne wrote: The latest Alexa rankings put UK visits to CR at 4.7% of traffic.

Australia, Brazil, Peru, and Venuzeula alone total 7.4%, so if they are "a tiny percentage", what does that say about the UK?

Yes, just on the Latin American countries that Alexa displays:
Mexico 2.9%, Venezuela 0.9%, Brazil 2.2%, Chile 2.1%, Peru 2.5% totals 10.6%, while UK/Eire totals 6.7%.

And of course the only thing that Crunchyroll can do if UK rights are not available is either take if in the countries where it is available, or refuse to take it unless UK rights are included.

How would UK members benefit if Crunchyroll refused to do the deal because the UK is not included? Indeed, since fair's fair, how would UK members benefit if Crunchyroll said they wouldn't sign any deals unless Latin America were included?

Making those demands would mean less anime for everybody.


I didn't say they shouldn't have taken it but when they do i will express my displeasure and frustration with them it seems to me Crunchyroll get the UK rights where possible but they don't seem to fight are corner for example the UK never get any drama's apart from 1 simulcast a season if we're lucky we also never get any catalogue titles.

No one in the UK deals with Japanese drama's so why we never get those is beyond me the anime simulcasts are great they we get quite a few though this season was particularly weak for UK simulcasts i have to say the manga service however is nothing short of miracle working but once they get into the swing of things with that once again most of us will be left out to dry.

Similar thing happens with Netflix UK they have well over a million subscribers here now and yet we still have quite a small amount of shows now i understand licencing tricky there's all sorts or laws and things involved... Like i said i love Crunchyroll for the most part they do a great job but i can't help but feel like an afterthought to them even though we pay the same amount of money as you do. I feel CR should have a bigger clout in the industry now and they should use that to make the service better for EVERYONE not just the US.
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I never expected for it to happen as long as Funimation had it. This just gives for the future that maybe some of the other Funimation licenses might loosen up some day and have an opportunity to come to Crunchyroll.

Now all I can really complain about is no HD on Roku or Android apps but that should be coming soon.
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You ever think the reason your precious country in the US gets the most traffic because it has the most content(and a much bigger population)? Hmmm that's an interesting idea isn't it? The UK anime and now Manga selection is great i love crunchyroll they give me enough (but not as much as the US) 4.7% considering the size of the UK is quite a large amount of people.

Did you ever think the reason we have the most content is because we have the greatest number of users (and probably a much larger percentage of premium users than the traffic numbers indicate)?


The "other English language countries" (Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the UK) appear to typically be licensed in one block, unless one or more get left out due to some conflict with local rights (which puts South Africa at the top of the list due to the lack of competition). The three other countries have local competition for licenses, but especially the UK (which saw AoD replaced as simulcast competition for CR by All The Anime / WakAnime and for library titles and simulcasts by Animax UK).


The argument I see from international users (more often than not from the UK), is based on the "we pay the same, so we should get the same number of shows" premise.

The problem with that premise is that it assumes for a specific anime, it costs CR exactly the same per user for each country. It assumes the publisher never says, "We need at least $xxxxx to license the show for this region/country, or it isn't worth it to us".

Some international users have even asserted they "subsidize" U.S. programming. For the UK especially, this is irritating. If that were so, then any home grown UK simulcaster should be able to be profitable while matching or beating CR on the number of series, or at least offer a lower cost per series, but that hasn't happened. (Just ask Anime on Demand). Meanwhile, the U.S. has at least 3 sites that specialize in anime, and have been streaming or simulcasting for years (and oddly, they charge within $1 of each other for a monthly sub, despite varying library sizes and number of simulcasts).



Have you seen the Drama selection in the UK? It's below pitiful.

I have little interest in drama. My understanding is that very few of the drama are available outside the U.S. and Canada, so I would think anyone outside those two countries purchasing an Drama or All Access membership (except during the Thanksgiving deal), should re-evaluate, to put it politely.



I already put my point across i'm frustrated because they lorded this as a massive announcement even though it isn't because as i said you guys in the US have gosh knows how many places to watch this show. So they jump through all these hoops to get a show for a population (the US) who already can access it elsewhere instead of trying to come to an arrangement with whoever owns the UK and other EU streaming rights. Not to mention the other 170 countries Crunchyroll serves.

They got it for the other English speaking countries, and all of Latin America, but you seem to want to dismiss that in favor of concentrating on the fact they also got it for the United States. Considering those countries now have a legal source, I would expect is indeed a very big deal to fans of the show in those countries.

Personally, I have little interest in it. As you said, we could already watch it elsewhere, but for whatever there reasons, a lot of people didn't seem that interested in viewing it elsewhere.



Oh yeah 7.4% is a massive amount for those countries COMBINED. Australia is 1.8% of Crunchyroll's traffic that means here in the UK more then twice the amount of people visit the site. Your stats mean nothing my original statement remains true. Another fun thing if you add ireland to the UK that's 6.8% we're not far behind those 4 countries you listed.

Those 4 countries are also only a portion of those CR is streaming to, yet you originally played it off as if it had little meaning vs. the UK.

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No one in the UK deals with Japanese drama's so why we never get those is beyond me the anime simulcasts are great they we get quite a few though this season was particularly weak for UK simulcasts i have to say the manga service however is nothing short of miracle working but once they get into the swing of things with that once again most of us will be left out to dry.


Japanese Drama licensing is SUPER expensive which is why you'll notice it's easier to find Korean & Taiwanese. I'm pretty certain that you have access to Viki in the UK (I know it's available in Germany) which is a legal crowd subtitled Asian entertainment site. That being said, I find that Crunchyroll is sticking to their Anime/Manga roots & that dramas are not its forte. The tend to get Korean Dramas over the others & there are better places to watch them than here.

As for One Piece, since Funimation is already streaming it & Hulu also has the old episodes; Crunchyroll is sub-licensing from Funimation like Hulu as well as a direct license from Toei for other locations. My guess is they also won't have all the episodes online at one time or permanently. Since Funimation already has the English sub-titles the delay for Latin America is most likely the translation of the Funimation subs into Spanish/Portuguese. I'm not sure if someone already has the license for One Piece distribution in any of the LA countries but I would have thought it would have been in Brazil. I'm just curious if its the Funimation stream or the Toei one cause I like the new OP and hate "We Go!" with a passion. I actually watch a live Japanese Stream so that I can here it & skip the 1st 5 min or so of the Funimation one.

For people who don't like One Piece, I totally hear you. It took me 7 tries to watch the show and I think the only way I got past the first 5 episodes was that one day I was really really bored. I hated the animation (which IMHO is SOOOO much better now despite the ever increasing boob size for Nami & Robin) and I thought the story, sound effects, and repeated voice actors sucked. I still don't like the sound effects or the recycled voice actors but the story is much more engaging now even when its slow. I'd say skip the first couple of arcs, there's 2 times later where they are retold if you don't include the specials/movies. I think Cartoon Network started at the Water 7 arc which isn't that far from one of the flashback sequences.

You can also read the onepiece wikia to read the arc summaries if you wanted to catch up quicker.
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I already put my point across i'm frustrated because they lorded this as a massive announcement even though it isn't because as i said you guys in the US have gosh knows how many places to watch this show. So they jump through all these hoops to get a show for a population (the US) who already can access it elsewhere instead of trying to come to an arrangement with whoever owns the UK and other EU streaming rights. Not to mention the other 170 countries Crunchyroll serves.

Like i said above if this really is MangaUK blocking this content on Crunchyroll i'm angry angry at them because MangaUK don't even have a streaming service which means essentially they're hoarding all these licenses in the UK an sticking there tongues out at consumers.



I can understand why you are frustrated. Really. However, I think it is safe to assume that they *are* trying to acquire the licenses for the other territories outside of the ones they currently serve. Licensing is a tough thing to do, especially in countries that are neither your own, or that of the license-holder. And it becomes even more so when someone else already owns the license for said country. I don't know anyone at CR, but I doubt they were looking at deals with Toei, Funi, Shueisha, Madman and whomever else they had to deal with and thinking that they'd just skip over the UK, or any other country for that matter.

But, from a business standpoint, if they can (and apparently, they can) get the licenses to cover somewhere around half (or more) of the traffic they serve, there would be absolutely no reason for them to *not* stream it for those territories just because they couldn't serve them all. Maybe Manga UK wants too much money; maybe they are considering starting a streaming service and don't want to give up the rights; maybe they aren't 100% sure they have the rights to sell and CR will have to have their lawyers figure it out. These are all legit possibilities that would prevent them from having the ability to broadcast the show.

I'm pretty sure you're aware of this and are just frustrated, but there is a very real possibility that they might not have the ability to acquire the show for the UK and other EU territories at the moment. On the other hand, even if it is certainly available here in the U.S. streaming, there is obviously some audience that wants it here on CR. Since the ultimate goal of CR is to have everything available streaming everywhere, I have no doubt they will try to get it in the future, but, yeah, I realize that isn't really gonna make you feel any better right now.
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Stop complaining about it not being in the UK, if the audience is big enough, it will come to UK audience, Just like with Naruto and Bleach. I'm sure Crunchyroll has to get in contact with manga entertainment as well to add it, because they are releasing the DVD in UK and I'm sure they have simulcast rights as well. For 60$ a year, like 40 Euro, you guys should stop complaining about the libarary. For a year, you would only have to watch 12 series, and that comes out to 5 dollars a series. Amazon you pay 3 dollars for 1 episode in crappy 720p quality, while Crunchyroll has 26+ episodes in 1080 for 5 dollar a series, less if you watch more. I am sure UK members have gotten at least 12 decent series from just simulcasts in the past year.

Honestly though, if the people from UK stop complaining, then no resolve will be found, if you keep complaining, maybe CR will realize they should focus more on their UK customers and try to get rights to stream series in the UK.
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Those 4 countries are also only a portion of those CR is streaming to, yet you originally played it off as if it had little meaning vs. the UK.


Also worth noting the total population in Latin America is ~589 million. That's a lot of potential customers if they keep on piling on shows for that region.


Personally, I have little interest in it. As you said, we could already watch it elsewhere, but for whatever there reasons, a lot of people didn't seem that interested in viewing it elsewhere.


Isn't it basically just Funi (which doesn't have most of the episodes and their site+streaming app are terrible) and Hulu? Anyone that could sit through all those episodes on Hulu is a masochist.
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IS THIS FOR REAL

Finally, I can now resume watching this anime ;u;
this site is getting better

Looking forward to it!~ *A*
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I'm so excited i love one piece! In the beginning it took me 3 try's to watch the anime I had to sit myself down because I was so bored and had nothing better to watch but once you get past like 160 or somewhere around there it's pretty awesome and i am now addicted.
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Personally, I have little interest in it. As you said, we could already watch it elsewhere, but for whatever there reasons, a lot of people didn't seem that interested in viewing it elsewhere.


Isn't it basically just Funi (which doesn't have most of the episodes and their site+streaming app are terrible) and Hulu? Anyone that could sit through all those episodes on Hulu is a masochist.


I believe Funi's license covers up to 334 (may be wrong) and they got their simulcast rights at episode 415 and beyond.
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OH MY GOD!!! I am so happy!!! Finally, one of my favorites is here....!! wait this is not a trick is it?
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Next Detective COnan..hehe keeping my fingers crossed XD
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This is why Crunchyroll deserves subscriptions. They listen to the fans. WE GO
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Tmaxxer wrote: I believe Funi's license covers up to 334 (may be wrong) and they got their simulcast rights at episode 415 and beyond.

Yes, Funimation licenses a chunk at a time. "Season 5, Voyage 4" will be ep300-312, released on 3 December 2013, so the first release in 2014 will be "Season 5: Voyage 5" ~ through to about 324 would put the normal 11 episodes per "Voyage" (though they will adjust that sometimes for story continuity), and then it will be time for them to license another chunk.

At this pace, they'll close the "hole" in their OnePiece catalog by 2015.
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manic221 wrote: I didn't say they shouldn't have taken it but when they do i will express my displeasure and frustration with them it seems to me Crunchyroll get the UK rights where possible but they don't seem to fight are corner for example the UK never get any drama's apart from 1 simulcast a season if we're lucky we also never get any catalogue titles.


Based on what does it "seem" they don't fight for UK rights?

No one in the UK deals with Japanese drama's so why we never get those is beyond me

Ah, based on "I don't know why its that way, so I'll just assume its because Crunchyroll is not fighting for them".

The UK actually tends to get the occasional Japanese drama simulcast that Crunchyroll gets, its the Korean dramas that are mostly US/Canada only. That's because those are the rights that the licensors of those K-dramas are willing to give Crunchyroll.


the anime simulcasts are great they we get quite a few though this season was particularly weak for UK simulcasts i have to say the manga service however is nothing short of miracle working but once they get into the swing of things with that once again most of us will be left out to dry.

Its not clear what you are saying here: are you predicting that once more publishers start releasing Manga, the UK will normally be left out?

Remember that the UK share would have been almost exactly what's normal for Fall except for two series that were taken by Wakanim.fr's new venture with AllTheAnime.com. And since the new Wakanim.com is focused more on downloads, AllTheAnime.com says they are willing to negotiate with streaming sites ... so if Crunchyroll and the new UK joint venture can strike a deal, that interference won't repeat itself.


Similar thing happens with Netflix UK they have well over a million subscribers here now and yet we still have quite a small amount of shows

So Netflix UK, with 1m subscribers, doesn't get the same number of shows at Netflix US, with 29m subscribers?

I'm shocked that a site with 4% as many subscribers is not able to attract as many license deals.


now i understand licencing tricky there's all sorts or laws and things involved.

One of those "things involved" is market clout. Netflix's US subscriber base is 45% the size of the UK's entire population. Of course its going to have more content than Netflix UK.

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