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kardonius wrote:

I hate political correctness. It's a tactic developed and used by cultural Marxists, basically, to instill the idea of thoughtcrime, and then legislate it (see: many 'hate crime' laws). The idea essentially is that freedom of speech ends where another persons feelings begin. A completely subjective concept of feelings which can extend to any and every possible thing depending on what culture is dominant, being a basis to restrict a basic natural right, free thought and expression.

I would find this opinion far more compelling if it weren't for the fact that generally the whole 'PC' thing isn't restricting what you can say on any legal level, it's more a matter of other people having the freedom to criticize what you say. Taking away people's right to criticize what they find offensive would be just as bad as taking away people's right to be offensive.
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Guys, keep in mind that it's also politically correct to be against rape, school shootings, and drug addiction. Being politically correct simply means that you're taking action in a way calculated to offend the least number of people, and I see nothing inherently wrong with that. The only time it becomes a problem is when there are more important things to consider than what might be offensive. Ultimately, the interesting thing about the argument is that both sides are agreed on the content. "Black" and "african-american" both refer to the same thing. Hell, if we're saying that PC should go out the door, then "nigger" is term equal to both of them. PC is basically just another form of etiquette, and like most matters of etiquette, I would claim that you should aim be as polite as possible until it interferes with anything of import.


Oh BS you don't have to be politically correct to oppose those things you just have to be a good person. I don't need no left-winger telling me how I should act or think I am human enough to figure that out on my own
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Posted 11/10/13 , edited 11/10/13
Here's the thing about PC:

It was made for political settings. Why do you think it's called political correctness? Politics is a nasty world in which people will try and twist every little thing that comes out of someone's mouth to their advantage. In politics, because of a slip of the tongue, countries can easily go to war. Politicians will be slandered and lose their positions/prospects for anything and everything. Just reading certain books can get them booted. Political correctness is a sort of flimsy armor used by politicians to try and prevent that; however, more than ever, us non-politicians are being made to adapt that sort of behavior. In other words, politics is being pushed where it doesn't belong-- Down the throats of us "common civilians."


EDIT: AMAZINGLY, POLITICAL AFFILIATION DOESN'T DETERMINE EVERYTHING, AND VICE VERSA!!
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Political Correctness is racist.
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Posted 11/10/13 , edited 11/10/13

OneOf300 wrote:


AshRandom wrote:

It's entirely possible to be left on all of the relevant issues, and yet utterly disregard the linguistic games.

It's far more important that someone actually care about equality, and humanitarian efforts, than to just simply avoid the appearance of being a racist while constantly voting for conservative bigots.


soo many assumptions in just a few lines..sounds hateful too. what an obummer


Yeeaaahhhh... It's really hateful when people care about equality and humanitarian efforts.

Look, I'm a scientist. I'm not swayed by rhetoric, or overly prone to making assumptions. The link between conservatism, (especially neoconservatism), bigotry, and low intelligence is far from breaking news. Multiple studies have demonstrated that conservatives are more controlled by fear -- and specifically, fear of the out-group -- than liberals. And more to the point, what reinforces these results are the findings of previous studies, in which liberals displayed higher than average intelligence, and espoused progressive (non-bigoted) social values. When the evidence starts to point in the opposite direction, I'll switch sides.
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The whole African American thing happened back from slavery when mostly all the slaves in trade where from the West coastline of Africa. They were transported to the West and where just "Africans". Then comes the emancipation proclamation and then since they were freed they were "African-Americans" because by that time, many of the slaves were already natural born Americans, but had African culture and heritage. This was mainly due to the African slaves being afraid that if they were still referred to as "Africans" they'd be deported to Africa, even though they wished to stay in America. So they switched to that and "negro" but we all know that Negro was corrupted into the ever so hateful word "Nigger" as a hate slur to oppress them. So they decided on African-American, but even grew tired of that and so Black is usually what they go by now, as African-American, as you say refers to specific Americans with African heritage, which not many black people have anymore.
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uncletim wrote:

Oh BS you don't have to be politically correct to oppose those things you just have to be a good person. I don't need no left-winger telling me how I should act or think I am human enough to figure that out on my own


I'm not sure I follow. If the politically correct view is the one that offends the least amount of people, then I think it's pretty clear that if the two choices are 1) For Rape, or 2) Against Rape, then choice 2 offends the least number of people and is, by definition, the politically correct view. Thus, anyone that holds the 2nd view holds the politically correct view. So yes, actually, it would seem you have to hold the politically correct view if you hold any of those views. Unless you think there's a way of making rape less offensive than not rape.
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""(2) Language. - The standards shall ensure that the summary is presented in a culturally and linguistically appropriate manner and utilizes terminology understandable by the average plan enrollee." (The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act page 15) in section 2715 Development and Utilization of Uniform Explanation of Coverage Documents and Standardized Definitions.

Now, I may not be capable, legally, intellectually, or otherwise, to interpret this U.S. law, and it probably doesn't refute you in any way, but that is one horrible use of the word utilize.

For the purposes of this discussion, I suggest reading the wikipedia pages on Euphemism, Dysphemism, and semantic change.
Euphemistic words tend to change meanings in response to their use. Effectively, the use of a politically correct term in a disparaging way is the same as the use of a politically incorrect term. I may not agree with the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, but I do think linguistics is fascinating.
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Posted 11/10/13 , edited 11/11/13

theYchromosome wrote:

I'm not sure I follow. If the politically correct view is the one that offends the least amount of people, then I think it's pretty clear that if the two choices are 1) For Rape, or 2) Against Rape, then choice 2 offends the least number of people and is, by definition, the politically correct view. Thus, anyone that holds the 2nd view holds the politically correct view. So yes, actually, it would seem you have to hold the politically correct view if you hold any of those views. Unless you think there's a way of making rape less offensive than not rape.


I think your confusing PC with common sence.. Yes rape is a bad thing and should be apposed not out of PC but out of CS. A politically correct thing to do is let someone live anywhere they wish as long as it's with in their means to live there right? So it would be politically correct to let a convected child molester live next to a preschool since it's with in his means to live there. But common sence say OH HELL NO!!! which is better to listen to?
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Posted 11/10/13 , edited 11/12/13

sillyriri wrote:
I would find this opinion far more compelling if it weren't for the fact that generally the whole 'PC' thing isn't restricting what you can say on any legal level, it's more a matter of other people having the freedom to criticize what you say. Taking away people's right to criticize what they find offensive would be just as bad as taking away people's right to be offensive.


It provides the basis for hate crime, the idea that preferentially selected victim groups, rather than having equal protection under law have superior protection under law. It also creates crimes based off of subjective feelings of offense that only applies to those protected groups, a perfect example, although fortunately the relevant law was later ruled unconstitutional, was the Canadian hate crime tribunal against Mark Steyn:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/free-speech-eh-why-is-canada-prosecuting-mark-steyn-1.720445

Political correctness in and of itself may not be a restriction, but it is used in an attempt to indoctrinate and alter a dominant culture in such a way that speech that does not agree with accepted dogma is shouted down, and such action is seen as not only justifiable, but a moral imperative.
Disagreement essentially becomes, not just a difference in opinion that should be respected as individual right, but as morally evil, deserving of no protection under law, in the same way as obscenity is ruled as unprotected, and thus open to censorship or outright criminalization and the consequences related to that.

In no way am I taking away peoples right to criticize by expressing my disdain for a bullying tactic that is ultimately aimed at eliminating dissenting ideas through emotional manipulation.
No where have I claimed political correctness should be banned, restricted, or otherwise legislated against.
Only that it was developed to, and will likely lead if embraced, to a negative outcome of elevation of the collective will over the natural rights of the individual.
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