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Why do humans think they can justify death?
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Just a question that i heard asked.
I think people are just weak and dont want to feel responsibility.
If you know where this question comes from then i will jump up and down in joy.


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Posted 11/11/13
huh?
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Posted 11/11/13
What people think of death? You might as well ask what they think of stone.
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Posted 11/11/13

Gotenz wrote:

If you know where this question comes from then i will jump up and down in joy.


The Patriot (film, starring Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger) - "Why do men feel they can justify death?" ~ Benjamin Martin


Col. Harry Burwell: I'll help you bury him.
[referring to Martin's recently killed son]
Benjamin Martin: I'll bury him.
Col. Harry Burwell: My wife Alexandria is with child, my first. I fight for that child... Benjamin nothing will replace your sons, but if you come with us you can justify their sacrifice.
Benjamin Martin: Why?... Why do men feel they can justify death? Is it arrogance or...
[voice trails off]
Benjamin Martin: I have long feared, that my sins would return to visit me... and the cost is more then i can bear.
Col. Harry Burwell: Benjamin, we have a chance. Green and Dan Morgen are down from Virginia. If we win this next battle victory in the war is within our grasp.
Benjamin Martin: Go then, seek your victory. I'm a small issue to it.
Col. Harry Burwell: You're wrong Benjamin, you matter to your men, and to others as well. Your victories and... and your losses, are shared by more then you know. Stay with us. Stay the course!
Benjamin Martin: I have run my course.
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Posted 11/11/13 , edited 11/11/13

Gotenz wrote:

Just a question that i heard asked.
I think people are just weak and dont want to feel responsibility.
If you know where this question comes from then i will jump up and down in joy.


I'm afraid the topic is unclear, so I'm closing it for now. If you can expand your post to give more direction for discussion--for example, the context in which you heard the question asked, and/or defining what you mean by "justify death" I'll be happy to reopen it.

For now the post remains unlocked so you can make edits. PM me if you do and I'll reopen.


Saved by Hairbelly who has provided the needed context while I was writing that up.

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Humans always try to justify the unseen, the unknowable and the terrifying. It gives them reasons to live. Would you rather, perhaps, accept no justifications? That people live and die, and there is no reason for this. No greater meaning or purpose. No grandiose plan. It just happens. And there is nothing you can do about it.

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Posted 11/11/13

lorreen wrote:


Gotenz wrote:

Just a question that i heard asked.
I think people are just weak and dont want to feel responsibility.
If you know where this question comes from then i will jump up and down in joy.


I'm afraid the topic is unclear, so I'm closing it for now. If you can expand your post to give more direction for discussion--for example, the context in which you heard the question asked, and/or defining what you mean by "justify death" I'll be happy to reopen it.

For now the post remains unlocked so you can make edits. PM me if you do and I'll reopen.


Saved by Hairbelly who has provided the needed context while I was writing that up.



WOW first time a mod warns me before shutting it down.. you are a nice mod. thank you
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Posted 11/11/13 , edited 11/11/13

Hairbelly wrote:


Gotenz wrote:

If you know where this question comes from then i will jump up and down in joy.


The Patriot (film, starring Mel Gibson, Heath Ledger) - "Why do men feel they can justify death?" ~ Benjamin Martin


Col. Harry Burwell: I'll help you bury him.
[referring to Martin's recently killed son]
Benjamin Martin: I'll bury him.
Col. Harry Burwell: My wife Alexandria is with child, my first. I fight for that child... Benjamin nothing will replace your sons, but if you come with us you can justify their sacrifice.
Benjamin Martin: Why?... Why do men feel they can justify death? Is it arrogance or...
[voice trails off]
Benjamin Martin: I have long feared, that my sins would return to visit me... and the cost is more then i can bear.
Col. Harry Burwell: Benjamin, we have a chance. Green and Dan Morgen are down from Virginia. If we win this next battle victory in the war is within our grasp.
Benjamin Martin: Go then, seek your victory. I'm a small issue to it.
Col. Harry Burwell: You're wrong Benjamin, you matter to your men, and to others as well. Your victories and... and your losses, are shared by more then you know. Stay with us. Stay the course!
Benjamin Martin: I have run my course.


I jumped up and down mate just for you and you are absolutely... wrong
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Posted 11/11/13 , edited 11/11/13

Phersu wrote:

Humans always try to justify the unseen, the unknowable and the terrifying. It gives them reasons to live. Would you rather, perhaps, accept no justifications? That people live and die, and there is no reason for this. No greater meaning or purpose. No grandiose plan. It just happens. And there is nothing you can do about it.



I don't know what OP really had in mind with this thread, but I'm going to go out on a limb and try to guess:

This thread is about killing. It's about killing but not necessarily dying. It's about the act of taking another human life and finding justification in said act through whatever means such as war, self-defense, religion, walking on some old man's lawn and getting you head blown off, etc...

I'm only guessing because today is Veteran's Day in the U.S, and the original title to this thread, "somewhat" comes from a movie where a character questions killing for a cause (in this case, a war). I'm not sure this thread was originally started as a philosophical discussion about "death" and all the epistemology surrounding that concept, but more about being the one on the other side of the act... still alive ... with blood on your hand and feeling fine about it.

I think OP has called us all here today to break bread and discuss the justified act of killing another human.

Just my guess.

/Edit: Well, looking at the post above me from OP, it appears that I may be wrong. Ah well... I gave it a shot.

As you were.
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Posted 11/11/13
Justify as in, "I know it's bad you lost your son, but at least he saved those two senior citizens"
Or as in, "Eh, I know your son just died, but he probably only got the needle hell."
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Posted 11/11/13

Phersu wrote:

That people live and die, and there is no reason for this. No greater meaning or purpose. No grandiose plan. It just happens. And there is nothing you can do about it.


but thats the harsh reality right

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Posted 11/11/13
and why is people killing other people such a big deal
its always been like that for the obvious reasons like power hate or self defense
and some serial killers even do it for sports or hobby
not to say it doesn't bite that its happening but humans killing humans will be around as long as mankind exists
so in the end its just a matter of can you bring yourself to kill an other person and so yes can you live with yourself after that

ps i have never killed a person and hope not to have to find out if i am a person capable of killing a other person and live with myself after that
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Posted 11/15/13
Well... because it CAN be justified?
It's all a matter of context. Of who kills who, what the situation is, what led to it, etc.
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Posted 11/15/13
You may lack perspective. In nature, there is no murder, murder is something that we as humans made, so why can't it be justified?
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Posted 11/16/13
To claim a life insurance?
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