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Should Higher Education Be Free?
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Posted 11/18/13
I agree that the price could be cut down a whole...bunch. But being free no.. Just think about that, If it was free a whole bunch of people would take that for granted aka the people that go to college for partying. No one would graduate.

On the other hand. I think that people who can't afford college and wants to go should be allowed to go for free. Of course you would have someone going over how they did in school and such.

I think that's fair.
Posted 11/18/13 , edited 11/18/13
Gonna sum up everyone's up 'till now for easy browsing for ya, Joseph. Making myself usefuuuuul this time. 'Right. Kay.

While the free of cost aspect of education may be good-- but it'll become heavily-strained for both the society and the government. As you may know that all the countries are somewhat borrowing loans to support ourselves, completely free of charge would be out of the question, because:

- Quality: The quality of learning would suffer, because the teachers would have to take out more of their own pockets to pay their own bills for everyone's education. Fair? Not to them. Higher education wise though-- let's say university, would you be oh-so-happy about having to share textbooks that isn't yours, because you're only allowed to "borrow" it, and that it'll be old, stinky, and maybe some scribble and gum stains over on the cover (not to mention the pages within). @rosevanluna

- Existence of financial aid: If, let's say. We don't pay everyone's education society-wise. We have financial-aid. Its point is to help us pay for our education then once we find work, we gotta pay it back to the gov for the rest of our lives until we paid the full amount. Interests? I don't remember if we have that but-- meh. Well, it IS free in a sense (?) @JP-Nya

So once the free-of-charge is out of the question, here are some suggestions:

- Affordable Price: Although it is a fact that the university and college fees have been declining over the years, but it still means a lot to some people, so maybe lowering a little would help? Maybe we pay a little more tax, and we get a cheaper education? Hm? @Sogno-
But keep in mind (@Shukuchi) that not everyone would be so appreciative in regards to higher tax rates.

- Financial Standards: Make this financial standard line where, the poor people can pay less, no loans or anything funny business. Well, even with the loans, lower a bit will help. Personal experience, yes i'm poor, woohoo. @Sogno-

- Donations: Yeeeeeeeah! Free money! They always helps. Yuppers.

Things to take into further consideration:

- How far is "free education" are you gonna take it as? Free education itself? Free insurances going along with the education? Free supplies? I can write more but I'm lazy, heh.

- School supplies: Books, expensive books. This explains why there are so much textbook piracy. Can't blame them though, I only need to buy one book but it's already almost $100 this semester. Last semester I needed 2 books, but it's not like we're gonna stick to the same books every semester huh? Gotta take that as a note. @metalsmith

Let's put the illegal government things aside, nothing is fair in this world. We're talking about free education, oui ou non.


Edit: Tell me if I didn't credit you. I only do first-hand credits, that means if you repeated things the first person say, I won't add you in.
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Oldthrashbar wrote:



You sound like a right-wing nutcase, lemme guess too much Fox News? I'm independent fyi.
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pottopsi wrote:


Oldthrashbar wrote:



You sound like a right-wing nutcase, lemme guess too much Fox News? I'm independent fyi.

LMAO!! Done here.
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Posted 11/18/13 , edited 11/18/13

FoxRainAein wrote:


pottopsi wrote:


Oldthrashbar wrote:



You sound like a right-wing nutcase, lemme guess too much Fox News? I'm independent fyi.


LMAO!! Done here.


Oddly enough, I do not watch Fox news. I do not watch television at all. I do watch some Anime on CR of course. And I'm definitely right wing. But I am most certainly not a "nutcase" a term used by the left wing "nutcases" which liberals in the guise of "independent" are very fond of using. I was once liberal myself. When I was young and naive. One day I woke up and realized everything I believed in was wrong. At least that was the way it felt. But it was actually several things that woke me up.

One thing that did it was: I wondered why the people I thought were so good were constantly pulling the race card on everything (Travon Martin/George Zimmerman for example). I began to look into it and see it more and more primarily among liberals/ liberal media. And I realized. My god, liberals are racist and probably don't even realize it. A really good example of liberal racism is a little thing called.. Affirmative Action. A very racist program which says that Blacks are considerably more stupid than Whites and so can get by on lower test scores/qualifications.

How sad would this make Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who said.


I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.


But that is just one of my many realizations that turned me hard to the right. And I won't take the easy way out of this fight by standing on "neutral" ground as a so called.. "independent".
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oooo i can use my new pic here


But yea...I'm all for it being free, but I don't think it could happen. There is however a line that can be made to balance cost to student and cost of school with quality of learning. I'm not the one to figure out such a line, but I'm sure it's there.
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Posted 11/18/13 , edited 11/18/13
Nah see if the government steps in and starts giving tax payers money to lower the cost, it'll mean more control, regulations, paperwork, lines, numbers, waiting, then sending you to the next line, then more waiting, then back to the same line you started with.

I already dislike bureaucracies, let's not add more.

Less government, more freedom.

man, I already hate the affordable health care act, forcing you to do things...
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Posted 11/18/13 , edited 11/18/13

pandrasb wrote:

Nah see if the government steps in and starts giving tax payers money to lower the cost, it'll mean more control, regulations, paperwork, lines, numbers, waiting, then sending you to the next line, then more waiting, then back to the same line you started with.

I already dislike bureaucracies, let's not add more.

Less government, more freedom.

man, I already hate the affordable health care act, forcing you to do things...


I love you brother. Thank you for reminding me CR and our country is not without hope just yet. It's not common for young men like us to take a conservative stand. But by god, I'll do my best to try and turn that around wherever I can.
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I think higher education should either be revamped or gotten rid of altogether, because for me it was mostly a waste of time. I went through 4 years of it, only to graduate and discover that about 1/4 of what I learned was applicable to the jobs market, and the remaining 3/4 was either theoretical, preparatory material for a Master's degree, or just unrelated to my discipline. I could have learned everything I needed to know in a year of focused study, or even better, if I didn't have to go through 4 years of high school learning material that I've mostly forgotten because it's not applicable to my daily life. People like to stress that getting a degree is important, and that's just not true --- sure, it's a foot in the door, but in the end what really counts is what you learn, because that's what carries you forward through a career.

@Oldthrashbar: The world could really do with less far-right-wing insanity from folks like yourself.
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Better question for you guys: Why send anyone to school at all? As interesting as it was talking with my college professors, they only said the same things I could find out browsing published works in whatever field of study. With the ease of distributing information over the internet, it would be way easier to record highly respected professors giving lectures and just... let anyone interested view it. It works. I've seen some excellent videos discussing complicated subjects like neurology, economy, politics, etc. with perfect clarity. Years ago, I helped my dad mill out custom metal parts for his motorcycle after we watched free online videos about operating a milling machine.

I think we're reaching a point where most people can get access to the internet through public or private facilities. Our government's education budget could easily be spent on acquiring the rights to educational material and just making it available online for everyone. People aren't going to be any more stupid from reading a textbook and listening to a lecture online than if they read a textbook and listened to a lecture in person at a school.

Those are just my own thoughts on how to spare the country the expense of countless school buildings, employees who'd probably prefer research/development jobs, etc.
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I wrote a lot. I do like the idea, as long as it can be reasonably and sustainably provided in a low cost way that doesn't cause problems, and benefits society.

so, TL;DR it's up to the men and women in charge.
Posted 11/18/13

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Are you a socialist my friend? Away with public education! Away with socialists and liberals (same fucking thing) who don't understand the reality of what they're trying to accomplish!


You do realize that you live in a semi-socialist country, right? lol

Anyway, I think paying for a higher education through our taxes rather than on an individual bases would definitely be ideal. When a higher education costs a vast amount and you generally can't get a well paying job without a higher education, it's pretty clear that this creates a cycle of poverty.
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There is nothing wrong with a "free" basic education. The fact of the matter is, we as a country, are better when citizens are basically educated. Education generally helps to dispel fear because we can understand that which we previously did not understand and it is not understanding that usually creates fear. So education is not just important, but it does come back. An illiterate citizen is of little use in today's society. I certainly could not even hire them, no matter how amazing a person they are. In fact not being able to use a computer and be very comfortable using it is an impediment to many jobs today.

I do not believe many of the services we provide through tax payer funding is necessarily bad. We could be better at accounting for the money spent of course, but that has little bearing on the relative advantages of a service. We get a better workforce and better citizens with a basic education. There are few countries out there that have a good GDP and at least a decent middle class without these services. I would certainly rather be here than in India for example. Where the disparity of wealth is simply mind numbing.

The real question is not should college be free or subsidized or made more "affordable". But rather, are we are the point where college should be seen as part of our basic education? And if so, why? Why should these things not be taught in high school?

Is there any reason calculus should not be required for leaving high school? Is there any particular reason we should graduate students at 18 from High School? Maybe simply tacking on 2 more years would be a better idea. Perhaps we should require Seniors at 18 to either be enrolled in a trade or else part of a 2 year additional curriculum. Right now we often call that community college, but should that be mandatory instead?

But do we truly need more schooling, or do we really need better schooling in what we have now? Can everyone handle more schooling? In cities the answer is likely possibly, but in more rural areas a lot of people even in the US do not even graduate. They will live their lives on some random farm and never have real need of more knowledge than how to turn on a TV or count their change. Do those people need more education? Again, probably not.

My personal thought is that college should be for those who desire to either learn and have the aptitude to put that love of learning to good use after college, or those seeking professional jobs. Many people who go to college these days rack up huge debt for no practical purpose because whatever their degree is, it is not very useful at returning the investment after college. So perhaps we should add in more years of general education for those that want it, but keep college primarily for those willing to pay the price for it.

Perhaps what we really need are career counselors in high school who can dispassionately look at what a child is really capable of. Perhaps we should have tests that essentially place kids where they will likely be happiest. There should always be the option for the child to choose differently of course, but perhaps rather than simply pushing college as the best way to better ourselves we should look at all the jobs out there that do not require college to earn a good living.
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Posted 11/18/13
I'd say use it for people who'll put it to good use
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College should not be free, having a cost makes people take their studies seriously unless their parents are spoiling them.

College should be a lot less though, I for one am tired of paying $5,000 a semester which probably all goes toward paying our sports coaches... then they pocket the money they get from selling tickets. Also, new buildings for sport team only gets made such as a SECOND soccer field which raises our tuition by $150 a semester, a second gym which raises our tuition by $200 a semester... it's just stupid how we as students pay for the college to build more stadiums only to charge us for tickets to see the games...

College needs restructuring in my opinion. I have no problems paying the professors and maintenance, but it really grinds my gears to be forced into paying $350 more a semester (and increasing) for the same horrible quality we get.

Our Electrical Engineering labs have very old equipment that is mostly broken because they don't have the funds to buy better equipment. Why does the sports teams need 2 gyms and 2 soccer fields? When did sports become the priority for colleges?

Just had to rant...
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