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Should Higher Education Be Free?
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Posted 11/18/13
If it was free, it'd be just like public schools these days. Bad teachers, idiots running around, etc...
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Posted 11/18/13
Well other than the horrible political ranting that was going on in this thread, I loved reading what others had to say.

I for one do not think it needs to be free. With it not being free it gives the students incentive to actually WORK for their degrees rather than just coasting through like most do through High School anyway.

Now I do think it should be cheaper. Having to pay thousands a semester, in my opinion, is insane. And if you are not that great of a student... like I am... failing just one class means you just, in a sense, wasted hundred to thousands of dollars ON ONE CLASS.

But everyones opinion is different, just keep the political propaganda bull out of these threads. Not everyone is an American, nor does anyone probably actually want to read about it especially on the forums of an Anime website.
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It would drive up taxes sky high, and besides, most students are not college material. It would be a waste of money for a wasted effort.
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Meh.

Should be cheaper, not free. The racket that is financial aid needs to be broken, in public, private and for-profit colleges. Reining in the amount of loans available will eventually rein in costs. Schools that have dismal completion rates should also more quickly lose Title IV status. Some schools would clearly shutter if they lost that status.

And no - I don't think everyone is entitled to a college education (at least in the U.S.) College is often devalued to the point that the degree itself doesn't matter. To get your foot in the door, you often just have to have that 'piece of paper' (i.e. non-technical jobs. We're talking white collar, but not rocket scientists.) It's a way to make a first cut through applications and to hopefully ensure a larger percentage of your applicants can at least read and write at a 9th grade level.
Posted 11/18/13 , edited 11/18/13
It should be free if you pass the minimum requirement of that particular subject. If you failed, then you should have to pay for that subject.

And like in order to get into a Medical course, you should have to compete academically with other people to get a placement.



I feel like universities are more like businesses nowadays rather than a reliable source of engaging education. It's so fcuked up, everything is based on advertisement, campaigns, time and cost effective bullshit.
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I actually think parents should be footing the ENTIRE bill for their child's education. Getting an education in the public school system side of things is sorely lacking in many states, because there just isn't the taxpayer funding sometimes to make things better. Or there is too much financial burden on the system to meet the amount of student demand.

Parents paying for their child's education would not only remove the burden on taxpayers but it would also promote better education and maybe put the fear of god into people who have sex without taking into consideration the consequences and costs of a child.
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The instructors I had in the public school I attended didn't give a damn about their students and didn't "try" to be a better teach or heck, actually teach half the time! Maybe if they weren't being paid by the government "system" and were paid directly from the parents who expect a certain level of quality for their money, the school system would not be as flawed and useless at achieving its objectives. Which is to give the student the means to operate within our society with a certain degree of understanding. Taxpayers shoulder way too much of the financial burden paying to teach many people's children who don't give a damn about their education.. (nor do alot of their parents care enough to pay attention to their child's education). If the bill fell on the shoulders of the parent alone and not the state/country, I'd bet the degree and quality of education would be alot higher for those who see the benefit to a REAL education.

I realize my point is not really regarding whether "college" specifically should be free, but the point Im making is much the same for college. The student should be footing the bill here. College should be competitive and should be the CHILD's choice. I saw way too many students in college just piss their time away cuz mommy aqnd daddy were paying for it, and they'd be a hinderance to the rest of the class. A 3000 college loan/bill might wake their dumb a$$ up >.>;

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Snowxdust wrote:

If it was free, it'd be just like public schools these days. Bad teachers, idiots running around, etc...


yes, this is main problem. Just look at community colleges. I would choose quality over quantity anytime. And if its too expensive for you, theres methods out there to lessen the cost. One method i use to save money is renting my textbooks. You can even get coupons for even better rentals at http://www.growingdeals.com/campus-book-rentals-coupons/. Just this semester alone, I saved over $400.
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It actually could be free!!!

"Get all the money you can get. Spend all the money you get." This is how Charles Miller, who headed the Spellings Commission on the Future of Higher Education, describes the way in which higher education institutions in the United States have traditionally conducted business.


Only about 28% of tuition goes to actual instruction: (This is what matters; the education)
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-08-18-column18_ST1_N.htm
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Posted 11/21/13

GreatOnizuka wrote:


Oldthrashbar wrote:
Are you a socialist my friend? Away with public education! Away with socialists and liberals (same fucking thing) who don't understand the reality of what they're trying to accomplish!


You do realize that you live in a semi-socialist country, right? lol

Anyway, I think paying for a higher education through our taxes rather than on an individual bases would definitely be ideal. When a higher education costs a vast amount and you generally can't get a well paying job without a higher education, it's pretty clear that this creates a cycle of poverty.


It's amazing how many right wing crazies don't realize that USA is in large part a socialist country in a good way. If you ever benefited from the police department, fire department, drive on public streets, freeways, went to public elementary, middle, high schools, enjoy safety and peace of mind provided by our military, then you are benefiting from socialism. That being said, I don't think all higher education should be free. I think Junior Colleges should be very affordable but there is still a place for expensive private institutions for those who choose it. Some of the practices taking advantage of poor college kids are pretty reprehensible such as $100 text books designed to break after a year on purpose. But if people work hard and save money for their kids to go to expensive schools, it is absolutely fair for their kids to have an advantage over other kids. You can't punish successful people.
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It should be cheaper no question, my family's poor as hell and the only reason i'm in college right now is because of state grants and loans
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I don't get this left-wing right-wing stuff in this board, which ones which and is there a difference ?
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Posted 11/21/13 , edited 11/21/13
It would be if terrific (sorry for the edit, had to remove that error) if education was free for everyone. I personally feel there should not be a price on education and no one should have to worry about being in debt while trying to obtain it. Since that is not the type of world we live in unfortunately, it should be less expensive to attend so there can a decrease in the percentage of students going through debt.

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School in the US needs to be revamped so that there are more jobs available to high school graduates, and then college should be made somewhat more affordable.

I'm 19, and took a semester off to earn some money and figure out what i want to do. I have been looking for a job to earn some money, and it is difficult to find a good job that doesn't require a degree. Pretty much the only jobs you can get with just a HS diploma and no experience are retail jobs, and I don't like people and they pay minimum wage, so, yeah.

Seriously, every time I find a job with decent pay that isn't retail and you only need a HS diploma, it requires 1-3 years of experience or something

My plan is to continue my self study of japanese and go to community college and take my generals to save money, then transfer to the University of Minnesota and take japanese, english, and business classes, study abroad in Japan and study "Japanese" (like their version of our english classes) I will then take the ATA certification exam and become a certified translator (I don't think this is required, just a bonus to have) and then try to become a freelance translator. It will take a couple years to become set up and start making some decent money.

So my question is what am I supposed to do to earn money for the 6 or so years until then? My family is borderline poor, so i would like to not have to rely on them, and they don't have the money to pay for college, so after college i will have loans to pay off too.

(seriously, any advice? I am new to job hunting and the only two jobs I've had I got through my parents to work where they work, and I hated both, they had terrible hours, and they payed terribly. I don't know where to look, or how to find any jobs.)
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Posted 11/21/13
Free... Instead of K to 12, it should be K to 16. I also think you should have to spend a two year hitch in the military service between years 12 & 13... That means everyone. If you are a true pacifist, something like Peace Corps... It'd be good for the USA...
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GerryO wrote:

I don't get this left-wing right-wing stuff in this board, which ones which and is there a difference ?
are we birds?


"The political term right-wing originates from the French Revolution, when liberal deputies from the Third Estate generally sat to the left of the president's chair, a habit which began in the Estates General of 1789. The nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right."

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_politics

In the left/right wing, specifying the location within the atrium in which somebody sat. I can't find something to support that, though.

to stereotype
Communists on the left, Autocrats on the right.

Politics are complicated, but for America, in general, the Democrats and liberals are the left, while the Republicans and conservatives are the right. Some terms might mean different things in different countries.
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