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Should Higher Education Be Free?
Posted 11/21/13
Nope. Having parents that worked before getting further education and having, myself, went a cheaper route in doing my first years at a community college to save money - education should definitely not be free. A degree should be worth something. Decades ago, people with a BS degree had more responsibility in a laboratory setting. By making it easier to acquire such a degree - people need to have a Masters degree to do the same work people did with the BS. It is already a problem seen in the field of science with so many simply given degrees for being saved by a curve. Imagine what it would be like if college was free.

There are plenty of scholarships, partial or full, and cheaper routes to go. If someone worked hard with their minimum wage job - I assure you that by the time they save up to do school they'll be sure to do their best unlike current entitled kids that are simply not competitive and drop out or pass with a curve. Then there is financial aid - which does suck, I'm told, to be heckled every few weeks by the loaners, but I tremendously respect my friends that had to take on debt for their degree.

Last - if people pursue something they are passionate about then the price of college would not limit them to pursue it. If people are just getting into a field for the money then they should expect there to be some costs to it.
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Posted 11/21/13
Um no.
But I really want it to not be too expensive.
Like the books. I understand they should make money somehow to pay salaries, bills etc. But I'd think they already get enough, or more than enough, from tuition fees. We can't even, let's say, save money by sharing the books with a friend because of these online codes thing to do assignments.
I hate those codes, too expensive, nuff said.
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Posted 11/21/13 , edited 11/21/13
places where teachers all they do is read out of a text book, and just make you do work out of a text book, and as well only hand out packets, then yes, those places should be "free" to some extent.
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Posted 11/21/13

Nobodyofimportance wrote:


GerryO wrote:

I don't get this left-wing right-wing stuff in this board, which ones which and is there a difference ?
are we birds?


"The political term right-wing originates from the French Revolution, when liberal deputies from the Third Estate generally sat to the left of the president's chair, a habit which began in the Estates General of 1789. The nobility, members of the Second Estate, generally sat to the right."

Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_politics

In the left/right wing, specifying the location within the atrium in which somebody sat. I can't find something to support that, though.

to stereotype
Communists on the left, Autocrats on the right.

Politics are complicated, but for America, in general, the Democrats and liberals are the left, while the Republicans and conservatives are the right. Some terms might mean different things in different countries.


To further that, historically, democrats have tended to push for a faster pace of change, with the most extreme being known as radicals. Republicans tended to want to keep a much slower pace of change, acting as a brake so to speak. The most extreme of the republicans are known as reactionaries.

Radicals will tell you of the utopian future that could exist if you changed everything to a different way.
Reactionaries will tell you of a utopian past that would be perfect if we went back to those days.

Generally the golden ages for reactionaries seem to correlate with things like the robber barons.

Very few people are on either extreme. Just be careful when listening to either. Ideologies are not based upon realities, as they are defined by self reference, in the same way that the id causes anger, and anger exists because of the id.

Another difference is that democrats tend to focus on logical patterns of thought, whereas republicans tend to focus on emotional forms of thought. in this way, republicans deal more heavily on moral issues, and tend to take a much more decisive stance, where democrats tend to prefer individual choice in matters of personal and extreme moral issues. For example: issues of gay marriage and abortions.

This last example is a HUGE over generalization, and the debate on either can go on for hours and may vary greatly depending upon your point of view, but the debate tends to focus on one side making the formally logical arguments, and the other making moral arguments. This system works great when dealing with individual issues, and isn't turned into a he said she said or he did this last time so I'm going to do this this time.

Lets be honest, who isn't tired of one group in control of the legislator blocking everything the executive branch even thinks about supporting solely because they support it? After 14 years, it's getting kinda old.
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Posted 11/22/13
hehe yeah i was just joking
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Posted 11/22/13
Free? Hmm... Well, if schools aren't paid by tuition, then they'd have to be compensated with tax dollars. That's your trade-off. I think it's worth it, because a college education is becoming absolutely necessary these days, just like elementary through high school. It's not fair that some people can't afford even the cheapest schools available. It'll benefit everyone in the long run if we can have a larger portion of our population college-educated, anyways.

For those who say that a free college would provide a crappy education, that's not necessarily true. There are some public high schools that are very good, academically. It just depends if the school can get grants and donations. And, if you're not happy with a free public college, there are always private colleges. I'm sure that once public schools become free, they'll lower their prices. (Some of them, anyways.)

This all applies to the US, by the way. I have little knowledge of other countries' education systems.
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Posted 11/22/13

GerryO wrote:

hehe yeah i was just joking


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Posted 11/22/13
yes.
The more higher educated people in the world the better.
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Posted 11/23/13 , edited 11/23/13
Education is, as it should be, insanely cheap. It costs damn close to nothing to learn stuff. The question, however, is not whether education should be payed for by the government (that's ridiculous), but whether college should be payed for by the government. Education is important, but colleges don't offer education -- they offer certification. People can only educate themselves, and they certainly don't need college to do that.

So should college be provided by the government? No. Absolutely not. There are too many people in college as it is. Education is important, but if people that don't care about education want to pay thousands of dollars so they can tell people that they're educated, then there is no problem. It's as it should be. The last thing I want is people with no interest in education getting certified as "educated" for free. If you want an education, then pick up a book. It's pretty cheap. Competence and a desire to learn will take you a hell of a lot farther than a degree will, and I'm pretty convinced that there will always be a place in the job world for competent people. I can't say the same for people with college degrees.
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Posted 11/23/13
Come over to Europe, yes?
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Posted 11/23/13
I've heard there are tuition-free colleges in parts of Europe and I don't dislike the idea personally. I understand that the funding has to come from somewhere and that there are people who won't necessarily use that privilege positively but I still do think that there should be such places. Not everyone will take what they have for granted and those who do not have the ability to finance their education should be given that opportunity. I'd rather my tax money be spent towards fostering potentially bright aspects as opposed to other things... personally that is. It saddens me to think how many bright kids who could positively affect the world are lost because of poverty... too many to count.
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Posted 11/23/13
College in America currently IS free as long as you are willing to put forth the effort to find and submit to scholarships, company work studies, or even the pel grant. This is not to be confused with "having college handed to you at no effort of your own," which college should NEVER be.

It's bad enough with some people having the mindset "Do I feel like going to college today?" as if they only go when they feel like. If there is no time, effort, or money contributed to be able to go to college... Then you will have people who don't look at it as a responsibility even more worse than it is right now cause there was nothing of value lost.

Also keep in mind just because tuition is free doesn't mean books are free. College's know students are getting these huge loans and government grant checks so they charge up the ass for everything at their campus stores cause they know some people are just going to not care enough to find a better deal anywhere else or feel like they need to get their supplies there when they don't. This is what I mean by having college handed to you. A lot of these people get these grants and loans and don't feel as financially responsible cause of it. This fall semesters books from my college were over 200$. I got them all for less than 100$ from used stores online along with extra supplies that I "wanted" but didn't even need.

If colleges were paid by the government they would charge more outrageous prices for tuition simply because the government overpays for everything, meaning they make more money and you pay more money in some way even if you don't realize it (it is being paid for by tax dollars one way or another). Knowing this the colleges can be even more ridiculous at the campus shops with prices. Teachers can even become as bad as some public school teachers.

I dunno my overall view on this is that college IS currently free as long as you are willing to put forth effort. If its ever as effortless as public education, you will get public education results...
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Posted 11/24/13

Immunologist wrote:

Nope. Having parents that worked before getting further education and having, myself, went a cheaper route in doing my first years at a community college to save money - education should definitely not be free. A degree should be worth something. Decades ago, people with a BS degree had more responsibility in a laboratory setting. By making it easier to acquire such a degree - people need to have a Masters degree to do the same work people did with the BS. It is already a problem seen in the field of science with so many simply given degrees for being saved by a curve. Imagine what it would be like if college was free.

There are plenty of scholarships, partial or full, and cheaper routes to go. If someone worked hard with their minimum wage job - I assure you that by the time they save up to do school they'll be sure to do their best unlike current entitled kids that are simply not competitive and drop out or pass with a curve. Then there is financial aid - which does suck, I'm told, to be heckled every few weeks by the loaners, but I tremendously respect my friends that had to take on debt for their degree.

Last - if people pursue something they are passionate about then the price of college would not limit them to pursue it. If people are just getting into a field for the money then they should expect there to be some costs to it.


I don't believe that has to do with the cost, more like the importance of going to college has risen so much that it's cheapening the meaning of degrees to a point that unless you spend around 8+ years going to school you won't likely find a job anymore. So many people that go to college now a days could actually be going to a trade school or start out as an apprentice instead.
Posted 11/24/13
I'm aware of the price of college has increased yet they pass out degrees like they are meaningless. If the price of college was free, as in the bad kind of priceless for a degree, would there not be more mediocre people? I just mentioned things I see with people in my field - you kind of echoed what I said. ok
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Posted 11/24/13
Should it be? Yes. Does anyone want to pay the taxes for it? No.
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