First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  Next  Last
Should Higher Education Be Free?
Posted 11/24/13
I personally think the question shouldn't be "Should higher education be free" but rather "Is free higher Education more beneficial to the overall welfare of society than non-free higher education?" Natural rights Vs utilitarianism. I personally think more education tends to have less meaningless conflict over stupid stuff like religion and shit.
64447 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
34 / M / US
Offline
Posted 11/24/13 , edited 11/24/13
Nothing is free. Higher education CANNOT be free. Public school isn't even free; it is tax funded.

That is the problem with today's world: Too many people want stuff, but aren't willing to do stuff to supply the stuff necessary to make the stuff they want.

So no, higher education should NOT be free because NOTHING is free and it cannot be free. Everything has to come from somewhere.

That said, there are a number of factors at work. A high school diploma in the 1950s was at least as thorough of an accomplishment as a BA is today. Since inflation raises the price of books, food, buildings and salaries, but no one wants to pay more taxes, public schools systems have become poorer and poorer in quality. Plus efforts to promote "self esteem" have become commonplace and teachers now lack of ability to discipline children which results in less disciplined, easier classes which do not impart as much knowledge as they once did. Universities - even private ones - have no choice but to waste time and resources catching students up, which in turn lowers the quality of the college education and raises its price.

For example: I know an 80 year old man who only finished 5th grade. He has a higher reading comprehension level and more knowledge of basic scientific principles just from his 5th grade education than current high school graduates (and most college students). He is retired and successfully ran a business most of his life and even has a couple of patents to his name. This sort of thing is not terribly unusual for his generation. At the time, higher education truly was a luxury since basic skills (Reading, Writing, 'Rithmatic) were taught by 5th grade and high school imparted more advanced knowledge of science, economics, and history (this same information has become the "core classes" taken in the first two years at a university). When I went to school (late 80s, early 90s) they were just starting to teach long division and cursive handwriting in 6th grade (fortunately I had a smart father and I learned outside of school). And it keeps getting worse! My young nephew is currently being taught to multiply by adding over and over again - multiplication tables are too hard for students today and their feelings get hurt if they struggle, so they just use calculators or add a bunch of times over.

So there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the general education level in the US has fallen dramatically and that this lack of education is a major contributing factor to most of our current social problems.

BUT everything has to come from somewhere. Should university be free - no, absolutely not because everything has to come from somewhere. Teachers need to eat, books need to be printed, buildings need maintenance. These resources have to be given by - or taken from - someone.

However, I would happily vote to improve our education standards AND willingly pay the appropriate taxes to ensure that our public school systems - including state universities - are able to uphold higher educational standards with less financial impact on students and their families. If the US is to survive (it won't, all empires eventually fall) the standards must be raised. Unfortunately raising those standards has a price both in effort and finances that most Americas are unwilling to pay.
Posted 11/24/13
It is free if we can become motivated to seek out sources of information outside college and somehow get into a field of work using what we've learned.
49109 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
Absolutely!
2424 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M
Offline
Posted 12/10/13

drakedogma wrote:
I personally think more education tends to have less meaningless conflict over stupid stuff like religion and shit.


I think the opposite. Back in second grade was when learning felt like learning. Cramming various religions, socioeconomic issues, and old literature by boring dead guys into our skulls is what happens once you get much higher up.
6213 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
30 / M / NC USA
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
higher education is free if you are a top student and know how to sell yourself. That is all.
2037 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26
Offline
Posted 12/10/13 , edited 12/10/13
Higher education was once affordable without aid and loans. I had also heard an elderly woman mention that she wasn't sure what she wanted to do with her education so she simply stayed in college for fifteen years (without suffering financial disaster.)

I guess demand got too high. (Makes sense when the unemployment rate for someone with a Bachelor's is hardly different from someone with a high school education)

I heard the solution is "Everyone should start their own business." Has about the same success rate, start-up time, and a higher pay off.
10925 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / M / North America
Offline
Posted 12/10/13

-Elo- wrote:

Do you think higher education should, must, or even could be free?



In essence, just provide your input on why a higher education should or should not be free.
List the pros and cons.
Discuss anything related if you'd like.




In an ideal world it would be great to have a education system that is of no cost, unfortunately this is not an ideal world.
Education at the moment is becoming more difficult to maintain among'st most young adults which is why education has a fee.
The fee is a theory that those who feel the need to further invest into there lives should be granted that education. Yes there are student loans and many different schemes that help get people into good Colleges/Universities.

Just to make things clear from my point of view i will need to digress a little:

I'm born in England where the education system starts at the age of 4 in most cases; we call this "Primary School" where we address to children simple math's science and other necessary subjects in our society. It will become compulsory (Legally) to attend education from the age of 5 till 18 (Of 2015 according to the plan of education).
During this span of 5 - 18 Years of age we go through Primary and Secondary education (High school).

You then come across Tertiary Education...This is where my point lies; Once you are at the age of 18 you are free to apply to University (College for some countries). During your stay at University for a standard degree you will spend 3 years resulting in roughly £9,000 per year.

After those 3 years getting a bachelor's degree which is the first basic degree, now lets assume that the £9,000 per year is spent on things such as the resources to educate the students, pay for bills for upkeep for the University (Professors, Equipment, Tax, All that shit), you really won't be wanting to stay another 2-3 years for a Master's degree.

The reason we are given and i do have to say quickly that i do NOT agree with, is that we are essentially paying the institutions that give us higher education to upkeep itself.

Does my rambling make sense? Probably not because i am quite bitter on the subject after being accepted into Lincoln and then having no financial plan whatsoever to survive my stay in Lincoln University.

Sorry about the wall of text, Josh
1651 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
27 / M / Mor Dhona
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
I don't think higher education (college) should be free, but I also don't think it should be necessary to live in financial comfort.

The fact that college tuition cost has astronomically soared does not help matters.
25695 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
M / Universe :0
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
I think in a perfect world it should be free, but since there are many factors that would limit the possibility of that happening now, the least they can do ( our governments/educational systems ) is to lower the price. Make it more affordable!!! We have to many ( how should I say this without been as ass )... Stupid people.

It would be in the best interest for the WORLD if we were to eliminated or at least lower the number of stupid people.

We can't progress as a civilization if we all remain relatively stupid. What will happen is we'll end up relying on technology to much and we'll probably be controlled even more than we are now by someone or something smarter.
Posted 12/10/13
Yeah, I wasted like 300 on some boring stupid class which I did nothing and failed.
Posted 12/10/13
Not my problem.
27597 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
51 / M / Inside the Anime...
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
No. Education tastes better when you fight for it. I worked my ass off to make enough money to go to school, and Uncle Sam also got a fair share of my time. My Degrees in Electrical Engineering and Chemistry are sweet indeed. I worked as a janitor, landscaping, dishwasher, lab technician, artillery and Information Tech to scrape enough money together for both of my degrees, but they are well worth it. If it's free, it's weak, unless it's love, even then... it takes work.
5490 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / F
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
college should cost much less. you accomplish this, assaid before by getting the goverment to get out of the college buisness
17873 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
52 / M / In
Offline
Posted 12/10/13
I can go to collage right now for four years free if I choose (full VA grant) I just don't feel the need right now maybe when I fully retire
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.