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Great thing about life, two people can have polar opinions and neither can truly prove the other wrong.


Yeah but when one opinion has more credibility and evidence behind it, it becomes more probable and inevitably the right one. What happens after? The opinion becomes fact, so sorry man, that's how it is. Unless you want to deny that, then that's your problem, might as well deny evolution as well.



I totally trust the authority of some random person on an anime forums about the sleeping habits of ancient humans enough to completely disregard any other theory, solely on the basis that they used the word 'behavior' rather than 'spiritual'.

Stating it's a learned behavior is actually less scientific than claiming it is spirits. Stating that they are because of spirits makes far fewer assumptions than claiming it is most certainly because of learned behavior from thousands of years ago in our early evolution.

If you want to make a claim based on it's scientific merits, either post who you are and where you got your PhD, or link us to some legitimized research that studies behavioral patterns.


Well are you against that something can't be passed through generations, or thousands of years? Are you saying that genes and DNA are falsified? I will post a link to a video explaining how genes that have been with the human since we left Africa, it will explain to you that we do have these things, even though we have long passed the need for these genes, some of them are merely switched off and if you think about that, this surely is an option to this issue, + saying that spiritual explanation to anything is more scientific to anything, well you're basically throwing the definition outta the window are you?

" Scientific - based on or characterized by the methods and principles of science. "
" Science - the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

Note: it says "through practical and observations" when it comes to observing super natural events, there always seems to be a lack of information, or anything to process this through the means of science, that's why it's called spiritual.

Link to video: http://youtu.be/8c-EWSmOgDc?t=2m19s (I skipped the first part to get to the part about genetics, but really you should watch some of his videos, it's interesting. He's a valid source, he's a theoretical physicist, creator of string theory and is very well known.)


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What about 2:02 am? I've woken up at that exact time about 3 days straight.


You're fucked, mate.


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No, I'm saying that someone coming on to an internet forums and just making the statement that it is obviously genetically passed down for x reason does not make their belief scientific, because they have no authority to anyone over the subject which they are stating. For a statement to be one of authority, there needs to be some degree of credibility either behind the person or their observations.

That being said, the observation that it must be because of spirits is just as likely and riddled with holes as the observation that it must be a genetic predisposition. Using scientific terms, or big words like DNA or behavioral traits does not make the observations any more likely, unless they happened to be reinforced by empirical evidence. Without any reference to any empirical evidence, and with no reason for me to believe that the person posting has any amount of experience or authority over the subject, I have no reason to trust their statement any more than I have reason to trust the statement that we wake up at 2 am because of spirits.



The important thing about science is that you must be able to empirically show any relationship that you are describing, and that there are no facts, only theories that follow the observed patterns. Theories that have not been dis proven over the course of history tend to be called laws, but this is a misnomer because laws can still be shown to be incomplete or incorrect, as with the law of gravity as opposed to more recent research into the theories of relativity, higgs bosson particles, etc.

In other words, if scientists observed that we woke up at 2 am as a general trait among humans, they then can observe humans in sleep, and do sleep studies to map the behavior as it happens in the brain, and determine if these processes are linked to certain types of brain development tied to a specific gene or trait. Now, if you linked me an article of this type of research and said 'actually, here's an article that talks about the possibility that this is a trait that humans of inherited over thousands of years, thought to be for the purposes of survival during resting times because of nocturnal predators", I might read the article, find it interesting and possibly accept the conclusion drawn from the evidence by a proper authority like a university study.

As for the video, it talks about genes are a way to transfer Physical traits. With what we know about how behavior is passed down, we don't know quite how it works yet. we know that birds know to travel to certain places, as well as butterflies, during the winter. We know that mammals have an instinct to feed on their mothers in most cases. Then there are platypuses.

My education has been fairly well rounded, and from what I can recall at this moment, there are many possible ways that these behaviors could be passed on from parent to offspring. Very few behaviors are instinctive though. As of this far, making the statement that this particular behavior is, most certainly, because of a genetic predisposition to wake up in the dead of night for no reason is not anywhere near acceptable to me, and just as scientifically based as someone saying that it must certainly be from spirits disturbing you in your sleep. That if you attribute the 'presence' of spirits to shifts in the magnetic field of the earth as it rotates, the ions not quite purged from the atmosphere as they fly through the earth and out the other side, or the subtle shifts in the earths crust as you sleep, or as the heat from the day disapates from it and causes the crust to condense ever so slightly causing such minute quakes that we are only subconciously aware of them....

All of those are equally likely as the other in my mind. That it is most certainly a particular answer is just bullshit.
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It's always 3 am somewhere in the world, so I guess the window stays big.
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I sometimes wake up at that time every other week….I am officially creeped out
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What happens if you go to bed at 3?
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Posted 11/22/13

Fili-Pinoy wrote:

What happens if you go to bed at 3?




something like that
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Posted 11/22/13 , edited 11/22/13

metalsmith wrote:


UndeadMiltonius wrote:


Dironox wrote:




Great thing about life, two people can have polar opinions and neither can truly prove the other wrong.


Yeah but when one opinion has more credibility and evidence behind it, it becomes more probable and inevitably the right one. What happens after? The opinion becomes fact, so sorry man, that's how it is. Unless you want to deny that, then that's your problem, might as well deny evolution as well.



I totally trust the authority of some random person on an anime forums about the sleeping habits of ancient humans enough to completely disregard any other theory, solely on the basis that they used the word 'behavior' rather than 'spiritual'.

Stating it's a learned behavior is actually less scientific than claiming it is spirits. Stating that they are because of spirits makes far fewer assumptions than claiming it is most certainly because of learned behavior from thousands of years ago in our early evolution.

If you want to make a claim based on it's scientific merits, either post who you are and where you got your PhD, or link us to some legitimized research that studies behavioral patterns.


Are you being serious? Are you really claiming that spiritual reasons are more legitimate and probable than new behaviors gained due to evolutionary reasons? I don't even need to show you proof about the latter to prove that the spiritual reasons have completely 0 credibility.

Do your own research and search online for results, there's a shiton of sources that show our ancestors used to have 2 sleep periods during a night. Roger Ekirch, professor of History at Virginia Tech. also proved this by doing an experiment on 15 men sleeping, so there's something backing it up, while for spirits? Not so sure. But in reality, in science nothing is impossible, just either probable or improbable, and spiritual stuff are really improbable, so sorry if I hurt your mythical beliefs.
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3am in what time zone?
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UndeadMiltonius wrote:

Are you being serious? Are you really claiming that spiritual reasons are more legitimate and probable than new behaviors gained due to evolutionary reasons? I don't even need to show you proof about the latter to prove that the spiritual reasons have completely 0 credibility.

Do your own research and search online for results, there's a shiton of sources that show our ancestors used to have 2 sleep periods during a night. Roger Ekirch, professor of History at Virginia Tech. also proved this by doing an experiment on 15 men sleeping, so there's something backing it up, while for spirits? Not so sure. But in reality, in science nothing is impossible, just either probable or improbable, and spiritual stuff are really improbable, so sorry if I hurt your mythical beliefs.


You completely missed the point of what he said.

Do us a favor, take everything you've said on this thread, print it out and show it to your science teacher.
If s/he doesn't immediately slap you, then I will hold a company press conference and eat my anthropology degree live on NASATV.

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Yeah, totally. My science teacher will totally slap me because I claimed spirits aren't real and that a certain evolutionary behavior which has already been proven true by experiments and results is true.

Oh dear me, I totally deserved that punishment didn't I? I'm really sorry, I'll make sure I enforce spiritual beliefs as being more credible next time, thanks for the advice!

Sigh.. Why am I even doing this..
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I remember seeing a movie where aliens would abduct people every night at 3:33am. Afterwards, any time my insomnia acted up and I woke up around 3-4, I would be quite spooked. It has subsided since then, but now this. I'm gonna have to deal with the spooks again, aren't I?
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So... daylight savings time and bipolar people. What happens with those?
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Posted 11/22/13 , edited 11/22/13

UndeadMiltonius wrote:



Yeah, totally. My science teacher will totally slap me because I claimed spirits aren't real and that a certain evolutionary behavior which has already been proven true by experiments and results is true.

Oh dear me, I totally deserved that punishment didn't I? I'm really sorry, I'll make sure I enforce spiritual beliefs as being more credible next time, thanks for the advice!

Sigh.. Why am I even doing this..


Because the basis of all your claims are under the assumption that evolution is a fact, when it's actually a theory. You're making false accusations out of half-truths and unproven hypotheses. It's highly debated in the current scientific world, so of corse it's going to cause friction on any forum.

It's the equivalent of two people with color vision deficiency arguing about the color green, someone with protanopia will see yellow while one with deuteranopia will see brown. The color is still green, it's just impossible for them to distinguish it.
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This thread is getting interesting.
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i wake up about 4am.... =_=;;;
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Guys, just make sure not to use any clocks in your house anymore, because as long as u don't have them, the spirits won't be able to see what time it is. XP
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