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Kamille Bidan for the first half of the series all he did was cry about his choices he made.

it's not my fault i stole a 6 billion dollar giant killer robot. stop crying Kamille an man up

PS. he did man up later in the series
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More tsundere hate... Ah well. It is understandable, I guess. There are A LOT of horribly written characters in that archetype... usually in awfully written harem series where everything is so flat and one dimensional that it can get overly annoying since there are no other traits to said character but their archetype. But there are competently written tsundere characters that are very compelling. :/
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Chizuru Yukimura. I seriously wish she would've died. I haven't seen much of the anime, but the Otome game and she's so whiny and annoying. I don't understand how you can just sit there and watch the entire time and not fight. You have a weapon, use it. I don't know, maybe I expected her to do something more. Maybe it's more realistic, but I mean seriously, at least try to help.
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Light Yagami or Lelouch vi Brittania. It's not really the characters themselves that I have a problem with: it's their presentation as protagonists. They would make excellent villains, or even supporting characters, but neither of them has what it takes to make me like them as a protagonist. My intense disapproval of 'end-justifies-the-means' ideology keeps me constantly annoyed that they're not using their respective intellects in a more constructive way.
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Miyako from Ef ~ a Tale of Memories

Every second she was on screen I just wished that she was gone. I personally found her amazingly annoying, selfish, and unnecessarily needy. She almost ruined the show for me, but luckily, some of the other characters more than made up for her.
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Orga777 wrote:

More tsundere hate... Ah well. It is understandable, I guess. There are A LOT of horribly written characters in that archetype... usually in awfully written harem series where everything is so flat and one dimensional that it can get overly annoying since there are no other traits to said character but their archetype. But there are competently written tsundere characters that are very compelling. :/


Too bad you didn't list any, and if you do reply with some can you please explain why they are compelling, I don't care how nice they are in the end or how tragic their past is to make them into such bitches, there's no reason to take it out on everyone close to you.
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Ed from FMA Brotherhood, Lelouch from Code Geass, or Yuki from Mirai Nikki.
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I don't feel like editing my post, but Also Melancholy from Phi Brain.
She's just annoying. The fact that she has her own agenda doesn't bother me it's the fact that she's so arrogant about everything.
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Right now, I'd have to say Yui from Diabolik Lovers. She doesn't try to fight back AT ALL and she's so helpless it's infuriating... I don't even know why I'm still watching this show, to be honest. It's one of the shows I can't stop watching despite hating almost every character...kinda like School Days.
Speaking of School Days, there's also Makoto--but then again he's an obvious choice, isn't he?
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Shukuchi
Too bad you didn't list any, and if you do reply with some can you please explain why they are compelling, I don't care how nice they are in the end or how tragic their past is to make them into such bitches, there's no reason to take it out on everyone close to you.


I can list a few, yes. There are three major examples off the top of my head that I can list, and I am sure there are more I could list, as well. Although, before I start with that, why would specific tragic back stories not be a reason that they are the way they are? Especially the three I am going to list here. They have trouble interacting with other people specifically because of either trust issues, certain responsibilities, or failing to understand what compensates for actual human interactions. That would be like throwing ANY character under the bus because of how they act because of their backstory, which means certain interesting and well written characters like Lelouch from Code Geass, who has MASSIVE personality issues, would not be as well liked as they are. Their back stories are what make them who they are as characters, it is what defines them. Also, the "people close to them," especially in my examples, are pretty much people they just met that accepts them for who they are despite their flaws and because of that they don't know how to handle it and it tends to make them confused. Spoilers are probably unavoidable here, so sorry in advance. XD

1. Taiga Aisaka (Toradora!) - Probably the all around best example to give. Taiga and Ryuji play off each other really well overall. Really the meeting between these two characters was an accident to begin with, and they made a mutual agreement to try and help each other in their sad romantic relationships. They started out as accomplices and gradually grew closer as they got to know each other better. Taiga is mostly just being herself. Really, Taiga is actually more dere than tsun, too, especially when she excepts that she likes Ryuji. Once she figures that out, she went out of her way to hurt herself just so he can try to be with Minori and actually never gave him much abuse after the first half of the series, ESPECIALLY at the end.

2. Victorique de Blois (Gosick) - Another classic example of a well done tsundere character. Her backstory is a bit more than just messed up, though. Being locked in a tower all her childhood and taken away from her mother probably not even at the age of two, and has a twisted ass hole for a father that just wants to use her intellect to cause a war, after all. She has trouble understanding human emotions in general at the start of the series. She is mostly just a bored girl that is just looking for mysteries to solve just because she can't really leave the designated area without her brother's consent. When Kujo gets involved in her life, she starts to gradually change as a person and slowly begins to understand what it means to be in love in general. Her roughness at the beginning is mostly just because she speaks her mind with little sympathy. She is mostly just honest, even if it would be more tactful to hold her tongue. She just doesn't understand that concept in general, though. Kujo is drawn to her because of how different she is from the rest of the school (who mostly avoid him because they think he brings bad luck.) The closer they get, the better both of them become at the end, and they both learn from each other in the process.

3. Tohsaka Rin (Fate/Stay Night) - Better explained in the Visual Novel than the anime, for sure, but still a character worth mentioning. She is the head of a old and respected Mage family, and was burdened with heavy responsibilities before she was even eight years old. In order to live up to the expectations of the family name she had to be as cold and aloof as possible in order to be an actual magus. However, she has a fiery spirit, and does not have the necessary coldness to be a traditional magus like her father was (which is a very good thing since most traditional mages in the Fate universe are all awful people in some way.) When she personally starts to get to know Shirou, she is easily frustrated due to his lack of understanding of what it means to be a magus, and it gives her trouble when dealing with him, even when she thinks she would be able to kill him, she can never really go through with it at any point, and most of that has to do with how different Shirou's life experiences are from hers, and his accepting (and mostly dopey) nature draws her in naturally. She is a lot more playful in her teasing of Shirou than a lot of the other standard tsundere's, and Shirou tends to deserve a lot of the abuse because of mostly his broken personality and his recklessness due to said personality. The dynamic between the two is well done, actually.
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Shukuchi
Too bad you didn't list any, and if you do reply with some can you please explain why they are compelling, I don't care how nice they are in the end or how tragic their past is to make them into such bitches, there's no reason to take it out on everyone close to you.


"Their back stories are what make them who they are as characters, it is what defines them."

Two stellar examples of characters (Rin and Victorique) that I would consider cold and "aloof" as you put it but I don't really see them as tsundere, I'm talking about the characters that are just plain nasty for no reason, now I haven't seen Toradora since it aired and tsundere lovers are always quick to use Taiga as the pro-tsundere mascot so I can't really comment too well but what was Taiga's reason for being a bitch the Ryuji ? or basically everyone but Minorin ? I know she lived alone but myself and a few other's I know lived alone at a young age and that was no reason to be a cunt to everyone. But I guess it is how they are written and presented that sets them apart from the one's found in harem but I see there's a difference between a character that's a little bit cold and blunt to being a complete arse and the complete arse is what I see as tsundere.

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Light Yagami or Lelouch vi Brittania. It's not really the characters themselves that I have a problem with: it's their presentation as protagonists. They would make excellent villains, or even supporting characters, but neither of them has what it takes to make me like them as a protagonist. My intense disapproval of 'end-justifies-the-means' ideology keeps me constantly annoyed that they're not using their respective intellects in a more constructive way.



Then Lelouch would be my favorite villain.

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Shukuchi
Two stellar examples of characters (Rin and Victorique) that I would consider cold and "aloof" as you put it but I don't really see them as tsundere,


I can understand that, but they fit the right tropes to fall under tsundere, it is just less... exemplified like in the standard harem series or poorly written series where that is really ALL they tend to have going for them. Personally, I think that has less to do with the character achetype and more to do with horrendous writing of all characters. Because, really, how many character are well developed or handled properly in a harem series? Pretty much none of them. There are always exceptions to the rule, but the harem genre is one of the least well thought out genres in the industry, because it is going for a male power fantasy. I can probably count the amount of harem series on one hand that have more dynamic character traits than just whatever archetype they are going for.


I'm talking about the characters that are just plain nasty for no reason, now I haven't seen Toradora since it aired and tsundere lovers are always quick to use Taiga as the pro-tsundere mascot so I can't really comment too well but what was Taiga's reason for being a bitch the Ryuji ? or basically everyone but Minorin ? I know she lived alone but myself and a few other's I know lived alone at a young age and that was no reason to be a cunt to everyone.


Actually, Taiga isn't really a "bitch" to anybody. Ami would be a lot closer to that (and she is also a very good character.) Hell, Taiga is 100% dere in the beginning of the series every time Kitamura shows up. She has a rougher personality than most, though. She personally doesn't care how most people see her, actually, and is just being herself. It is just that she is quick to anger and has a no-nonsense personality, but she is very supportive of those around her and tends to be very fierce in defending them, and would rather take the bullet if she thinks it would make one of her other friends happy. She is not selfish and when she gets a chance she gets to bloom as a person and character.


But I guess it is how they are written and presented that sets them apart from the one's found in harem but I see there's a difference between a character that's a little bit cold and blunt to being a complete arse and the complete arse is what I see as tsundere.


Now, I can understand your logic here. However, presentation has always been everything, and well written characters that are tsundere are those that can escape from the standard archetype just for the sheer fact that the character has more going for them then just being a tsundere. It is what separates the good ones from the bad ones.

Anyway, I love good discussions like this. XD
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Taiga's used so often to support the tsundere archetype precisely because she's not really that mean in the first place. Compared to a lot of the more recent tsunderes, her character is much more believable: she doesn't go around abusing people for no reason, and when she does get abrasive, it's completely transparent that it's because she's just really socially awkward. Taiga's appeal is that she's not a bitch, but tries to act like one as a defensive mechanism - nobody buys it. Where many tsunderes go wrong is that they're written as actually mean, or go way overboard when they 'tsun'.

A character that's just straight-up nasty, and then really nice when they're around someone they like is just two-faced. While the term 'tsundere' is obviously founded on that sort of dynamic (it's right there in the name), I consider a 'real' tsundere to be a character like Taiga who simply can't be honest with their feelings and falls back on affected hostility in order to cope. A real tsundere 'tsuns' because they're embarrassed or uncertain, not because they like to. Rin and Victorique fit into this category as well. They have limited exposure to other people and have trouble giving them their trust. They're abrasive and aloof because they're afraid they might be betrayed. Characters like Kujo and Shiro, who are evidently reliable and kind, are able to get past the emotional defenses of characters like these. Taiga doesn't have trust issues like these two, but the core concept is the same: her abrasiveness is a fabricated coping mechanism, not just the result of a nasty personality.
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Kirino and her friends from oreino because I think that idols are just so damn annoying and selfish.
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