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People hating on non-mainstream animes
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There's a topic for people hating on popular animes so I figured, why not make one for the opposite?

I've read some reviews for the animes this season and some of those reviews make me mad.

The ones I'm referring to are the people who only watch mainstream animes such as Naruto and the ones that get popular such as Attack on Titan. The "normal" people. NOT normal people, but the "normal"(ehem) people...

They mostly say stuff like "not focused on the story", especially on harem animes. They don't know how to identify the genre. They expect same things from the anime they originally watch on all the other animes. Oh and what THEY refer to "story" is pretty much all the fights and stuff. They hate on the fan-service scenes. They probably don't even know what 'moe' means.

Mainstream animes are actually even worse. Look at Naruto. ALL THOSE FILLERS and ALL THOSE FLASHBACK SCENES. They have whole ARCS of fillers. Are they still considered "story"? I personally don't think they deserve that much popularity. Why do THEY get so many episodes? And yet they waste most of those episodes. The ones we otakus watch don't get that many episodes. Hokage? Who cares about that? They gotta beat Madara and Tobi before doing anything else, which is taking quite some time. On top of that, the animated version has EXTRA flashback scenes and filler episodes.

Most of the stuff WE watch only get like 12 episodes. They have to have something good to end the season on the 12th episode because 2nd season is NOT guaranteed. Stuff like Angel Beats have the actual ending at the end of 13th episode.

Btw, I'm not hating on the mainstream animes. Just the people who watch these mainstream animes and then hating on non-mainstream animes

Mainstream: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, (Dragonball, REBORN, Pokemon, Yugioh, etc.)
Semi-mainstream: Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Beelzebub, Blue Exorcist, Death Note, etc.

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I do sit and wonder what Naruto/Shippuden and Bleach would be like if the series never had fillers in the first place.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

I do sit and wonder what Naruto/Shippuden and Bleach would be like if the series never had fillers in the first place.


I skipped like 2 or 3 arcs when I was watching bleach. All of them were fillers. And the stuff we Otakus like to watch only have 12-13 or 24-25 episodes so they don't have time for fillers
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My biggest problem with Naruto and Bleach is that there are FAR to many episodes. I like animes that are usually 10 - 30 episodes. I just like conclusion. More always seems to happen. Just my opinion. I don't hate on them, I just don't watch them.
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qualeshia3 wrote:

I do sit and wonder what Naruto/Shippuden and Bleach would be like if the series never had fillers in the first place.


I skipped like 2 or 3 arcs when I was watching bleach. All of them were fillers. And the stuff we Otakus like to watch only have 12-13 or 24-25 episodes so they don't have time for fillers



Wouldn't that just rush things though? I use to watch Naruto and Bleach years ago but I still wonder about if there weren't any fillers.

Naruto wants to be the Hokage of his village and anything can happen with the story. I'm not even sure as a Ichigo's situation in Bleach.
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I think in a weird way, naruto and bleach aren't even really the thrust of the other discussion you're responding to.

Yeah, they're popular and tons of people watch them, but not many people seem to think they're really GREAT or even more than just fun/(and man this makes me feel old) what they grew up with.



In fighting game parlance, this is more 'casuals' vs 'hardcore players'. The casuals are the naruto and bleach fans and the hardcores like to look down on them and then get into an argument about whether Evangelion and GITS are worth anything or not.
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qualeshia3 wrote:


FkYouBish wrote:


qualeshia3 wrote:

I do sit and wonder what Naruto/Shippuden and Bleach would be like if the series never had fillers in the first place.


I skipped like 2 or 3 arcs when I was watching bleach. All of them were fillers. And the stuff we Otakus like to watch only have 12-13 or 24-25 episodes so they don't have time for fillers



Wouldn't that just rush things though? I use to watch Naruto and Bleach years ago but I still wonder about if there weren't any fillers.

Naruto wants to be the Hokage of his village and anything can happen with the story. I'm not even sure as a Ichigo's situation in Bleach.


Naruto wants to become Hokage and he ain't getting anywhere for the past 15 years or so. Not even close to being one.
Ichigo doesn't really have a goal. And bleach isn't getting animated anymore. Prolly not until they finish with the manga

The ones we otakus watch don't have that many episodes so they don't have any fillers and they don't feel rushed AT ALL
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Yeah that is true.

Unless both Naruto and Naruto Shippuden were combined together and condensed to only two seasons each with twenty-five episodes or something along those lines.

So instead of over a hundred episodes there is only fifty instead. I guess that could work.








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windsagio wrote:

I think in a weird way, naruto and bleach aren't even really the thrust of the other discussion you're responding to.

Yeah, they're popular and tons of people watch them, but not many people seem to think they're really GREAT or even more than just fun/(and man this makes me feel old) what they grew up with.



In fighting game parlance, this is more 'casuals' vs 'hardcore players'. The casuals are the naruto and bleach fans and the hardcores like to look down on them and then get into an argument about whether Evangelion and GITS are worth anything or not.


We (as in otakus) say stuff like "K-ON was a really good anime!", "Angel Beats was a GREAT anime!", "Outbreak Company is awesome! I love Myucel!". We think most of the anime are worth watching.

The "normal" people who only watch Naruto say something like "Naruto is the BEST! All other animes suck!" and they don't even watch other animes.
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What I do like about the shows that only have like 13-26 episodes (practically every "non-mainstream" anime) is that if the endings are bad (or maybe just inconclusive) because the creators want to leave it open for a sequel just in case, it isn't that big of a deal, because I didn't put a whole lot of time into watching them. If the show is relatively long (50 eps or more) and the ending sucks, it kind of makes me mad because I feel like I wasted my time watching the show.
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pchastain769 wrote:

What I do like about the shows that only have like 13-26 episodes (practically every "non-mainstream" anime) is that if the endings are bad (or maybe just inconclusive) because the creators want to leave it open for a sequel just in case, it isn't that big of a deal, because I didn't put a whole lot of time into watching them. If the show is relatively long (50 eps or more) and the ending sucks, it kind of makes me mad because I feel like I wasted my time watching the show.


I completely agree.

I did think Full Metal Alchemist (Not the newer remastering) had a GREAT ending and that would probably be the first anime I've watched over 30 episodes. (other then like DBZ lol). The newer recreation, Brotherhood? It was okay but I think the ending was a bit too... Happy? I liked all the darker moments the older iteration had.
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I honestly think mainstream gets hated on more than regular anime. I never really understood how AoT got so popular, I thought it was good but not nearly my favorite. Long anime like naruto and bleach has way too much fillers. I have to watch a whole bunch of episodes at once because I tend to fast forward through it. I still like them though like I do any other anime. Single season anime tend to feel too short and often I would like a 2nd season. I would say 2-3 season anime are a good run for an anime. Some anime do lack story and background but they are not trying to appeal to people who like that stuff. Often times it is trying to appeal in someo other way like fanservice or something else.
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I think we first need to define what is mainstream.
Everyone seems to have different opinions on the term.

For me, it doesn't matter how many episodes it may have: rather it depend on the fanbase, surrounding hype, etc is what makes it mainstream.

I consider almost every show by KyoAni mainstream, SHAFT anime is there too

Non-mainstream shows are those that have only a relatively small number of viewers and vocal fanbase and usually fade into obscurity after the season it aired in is over.


RIP Kamisama Dolls, we barely knew ye and pour drinks for your second season that never happened.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with watching mainstream anime. People have to start somewhere.

If they do thumb their noses at anime that are more obscure and may have more richly defined genres, then yes they are in the wrong. However I don't see that happen all that often.

I mainly see them as simply ignorant fans who are starting out and don't know any better. I enjoy helping people like this develop a better palate for various anime. It's weird, but I seriously do think of anime in wine or cigar terms. Various genres are tastes that people develop over time.
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Rito2Ru wrote:

I think we first need to define what is mainstream.


Mainstream: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, (Dragonball, REBORN, Pokemon, Yugioh, etc.)

Semi-mainstream: Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Beelzebub, Blue Exorcist, Death Note, etc.
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