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Posted 11/29/13
well i am thankful for mainstream because it lead to other "non" mainstream later down the road... if it weren't for DBZ and Fairy Tail I'd never gotten to watch other animes that are far better and much more enjoyable to watch

i don't have a problem with either, I think hating on things because of their popularity or lack of is silly~
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Posted 11/29/13

Sogno- wrote:

well i am thankful for mainstream because it lead to other "non" mainstream later down the road... if it weren't for DBZ and Fairy Tail I'd never gotten to watch other animes that are far better and much more enjoyable to watch

i don't have a problem with either, I think hating on things because of their popularity or lack of is silly~


As long as they don't hate on non-mainstream animes, I don't have a problem
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Mainstream: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, (Dragonball, REBORN, Pokemon, Yugioh, etc.)

Semi-mainstream: Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Beelzebub, Blue Exorcist, Death Note, etc.

I don't agree with Hunter x Hunter being known at all. I think you should switch it with either Attack on Titan or Sword Art Online, those are talked about alot more than Hunter x Hunter. And what's with Beelzebub being up there? I haven't seen any discussion about that one ever since the anime ended.

I also don't think shows like Angel Beats or especially K-ON are non-mainstream. They have quite a large fanbase. And I don't really get what you mean with hating on fanservice scenes but doesn't fanservice generally degrade an anime anyway? Is knowing what moe means really a requirement to be non-mainstream?
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Posted 11/29/13

Tactics15 wrote:

I don't agree with Hunter x Hunter being mainstream at all. I think you should switch it with either Attack on Titan or Sword Art Online, those are talked about alot more than Hunter x Hunter. And what's with Beelzebub being up there? I haven't seen any discussion about that one ever since the anime ended.


I've noticed that too.
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Posted 11/29/13
Only thing i can say is, Semi-Mainstream Anime is the best. It's like 90% more enjoyable than the mainstream. One reason probably because there are so many episodes on the mainstream ones so i lose interest on the sheer amount. Though the mainstream ones are good in the first season. Just gotta learn when to stop. Btw. You forgot to mention Gintama. They just get better and better. No recaps. ... In fact they even joke about other animes that have reruns and recaps. Not gonna spoil any more...

Gintama. MUST WATCH! (Watch out for more bad language than usual in Animes though!)
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Posted 11/29/13
I thought Gintama was pretty mainstream?
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I am beginning to hate the term "mainstream". What is considered "mainstream" is entirely subjective. The Big Three are the only ones that I believe everyone can agree is "mainstream" anime, but everything else will fall into a gray area. HunterxHunter? SAO? Attack on Titan? They are relatively popular shows, they have a decent sized fanbase, but does that make them "mainstream"? Are they not mainstream because Naruto, Beach, and One Piece are even more popular and have a larger fanbase? How do we judge?

Even the actual definition leaves a lot open to interpretation:

Mainstream (noun): belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement, style, ect. (via Dictionary.com)

I, for one, think an anime is mainstream when a very casual or even non-otaku can recognize it by name. In the US, that would narrow it down to the Big Three, DBZ, Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Sailor Moon. That is pretty much it. All others are not mainstream. They are popular, but not mainstream.

These anime, as others have said, are generally "gateway" anime for novel fans. Those fans don't know much about other, less popular anime. So, out of ignorance, they may degrade those other shows in an attempt to defend the shows they like to those "veteran otakus" who claim all mainstream anime is shit. Usually, when you get them to watch a lesser-known show, they will like it and quit bashing on other anime.

Bottom line, people just need to live and let live. Stop trying to be elitist.
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Posted 11/29/13
I haven't run into a single person who hates on HxH.
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Posted 11/29/13
this topic seems more like an anti-mainstream anime topic than a topic about people hating on non-mainstream anime.
Posted 11/29/13 , edited 11/29/13
I started watching Naruto last year and was like omgz i luv animee! XD These typical shounen anime's have so little depth to them though that it's really hard for me to be interested in them at all... and i hate the tendency of people to get all defensive and be like HATER because something is popular and disliked for certain things. Although I do think some of them are pretty fun to watch, like i've seen about 70 Fairy Tail episodes and it's pretty entertaining, but that's it, I prefer anime or any form of art to be used as a medium to ask questions and play around with ideas, not just this tale of friendship family friendly bullshit that everyone is getting so used too.

Yeah not everything has to be experimental and extremely original but I still get annoyed when I watch something, like Strike the Blood, and have to drop it because I see that "girl and boy fall over on each other, other girl walks in, gets wrong idea" worn out scenario again... it's boring, and I feel like it's a waste of time to keep watching it. Rarely do I find something anymore where i'm like wow this is really different, I think Despera has stopped production now too... >.<
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Posted 11/29/13
I cant say I've come across much hate for "non-mainstream" anime. Mostly people bashing Naruto, One piece, and other similar anime for fillers, also being to long. I personally love them, but there are many less known anime i love to.
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Naruto wants to become Hokage and he ain't getting anywhere for the past 15 years or so. Not even close to being one.


Oh no. The dude is close now. Naruto is practically Jesus freaking Christ at this point in the manga...


The ones we otakus watch don't have that many episodes so they don't have any fillers and they don't feel rushed AT ALL


The purpose of Fillers is to give the manga more time to breath due to the anime catching up. Also, the series that gain anime of this magnitude are way too profitable due to higher ratings for them to just take it off and risk people not caring a year or whatever later. Which is why Naruto gets a billion awful Filler episodes, and why One Piece and Detective Conan are... well... One Piece and Detective Conan. Oda pretty much owns Japan now, and Conan is a reliable series that probably doesn't fluctuate much in ratings.

Anyway, I don't take non-anime watchers opinions seriously at all. They obviously don't get the draw of the medium, and only watch what they watch. The best I can do is offer them stuff like Titan that I know they would like and maybe hopefully draw them into the market like the rest of us. :/

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Posted 11/29/13

Orga777 wrote:

The purpose of Fillers is to give the manga more time to breath due to the anime catching up. Also, the series that gain anime of this magnitude are way too profitable due to higher ratings for them to just take it off and risk people not caring a year or whatever later. Which is why Naruto gets a billion awful Filler episodes, and why One Piece and Detective Conan are... well... One Piece and Detective Conan. Oda pretty much owns Japan now, and Conan is a reliable series that probably doesn't fluctuate much in ratings.

Anyway, I don't take non-anime watchers opinions seriously at all. They obviously don't get the draw of the medium, and only watch what they watch. The best I can do is offer them stuff like Titan that I know they would like and maybe hopefully draw them into the market like the rest of us. :/



I don't get the filler hate at all to be honest, in a lot of the ongoings I find the main plot arcs to be agonizingly predictable and annoying, and the filler quirky and fun.
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Posted 11/29/13 , edited 11/29/13

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I don't get the filler hate at all to be honest, in a lot of the ongoings I find the main plot arcs to be agonizingly predictable and annoying, and the filler quirky and fun.


And you can have that opinion. But just so you know, I think it is a down right dreadful opinion. The problem with Fillers is that it stalls everything in the plot of some hackneyed attempt at prolonging events that fail to accomplish anything. As agonizing some Shonen plots may be (Naruto and Bleach...) I still find the actual story better written than any attempt at Filler. To me the Fillers are when people's bad action fanfiction gets published in the actual series. XD
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Posted 11/29/13
are we talking mainstream in terms of an American audience, or a Japanese one? American audiences don't react to the same things as Japanese audiences, so Gintama is mainstream in Japan but not in America. The problem with talking about what Americans view as mainstream, is that the American audience is a niche market, filled out by otaku with varying intensities. Japanese mainstream titles do not often get viewership stateside. It's not like American audiences are familiar with older mainstream titles like Touch or Atashinchi or Chibi Marukochan, but they can talk about Bubblegum Crisis.
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