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"Animes"...
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If it wasn't for the popularity of your so-called mainstream shows then there would be little of anything else that you might find enjoyable because the industry would get zero investment and studios would close. While the mega-series with hundreds of episodes may not appeal to your taste now that you have moved to other genres, they are a BIG part of the Anime industry.

Ranting about what shows are better than other and how people hurt your personal pride in what you enjoy is nothing more than fan-boy-ism. Chill what others like and you don't. Enjoy what you do and be happy the studios are still able to produce the shows you enjoy.

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Posted 11/29/13 , edited 11/29/13

FkYouBish wrote:


Rito2Ru wrote:

I think we first need to define what is mainstream.


Mainstream: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Fairy Tail, Hunter X Hunter, (Dragonball, REBORN, Pokemon, Yugioh, etc.)

Semi-mainstream: Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Beelzebub, Blue Exorcist, Death Note, etc.


I think you are mistaking mainstream for something else. In my mind, something like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, or Outlaw Star are just as mainstream as Dragonball or Naruto. Yet, those are two shows that are clearly targeted at a more adult/mature audience.

To me mainstream just means something that is well-known and popular within it's medium, as well as being recognizable to casual fans of said medium. There are a wide range of animes that fit that definition, and many of them are nothing like all of those big shounen series. Maybe their audience isn't as massive as those, but to say they aren't mainstream sounds silly to me. Much like how we would likely consider both Nickelback and Justin Bieber mainstream, even though Justin Bieber's audience is significantly bigger. Hell even Metallica is considered mainstream these days even though metal itself is barely a mainstream genre (then again modern Metallica is arguably not metal so there's that). It's all very relative.

On top of that there are plenty of series similar to said shounen series that have never and likely will never have that massive audience.

Basically, you're talking about different genres with different target audiences as opposed to mainstream vs. non mainstream.
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I think the original point of this topic was the fact that many fans of "mainstream" anime tend to belittle series that aren't as popular. Most of these people would be classified as 'tards'. I've personally more than once have come across people claiming that certain series (Fate/Zero, Madoka, etc.) aren't as good as some more popular titles (Naruto, Bleach, etc.) generally with something along the lines of "Well, if so many people like it then it has to be a lot better," which is not a valid argument in my opinion.

This attitude is ignorant, annoying and usually spoken from a child who isn't truly an anime fan, merely a fan of a series or two that happens to be an anime. I must say I personally find them a lot less annoying than the anime elitists or even worse... the 'oldtaku' (Its like they somehow combined tards and elitists into one incredibly stupid package)
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JadeAmberTwins wrote:

I think the original point of this topic was the fact that many fans of "mainstream" anime tend to belittle series that aren't as popular. Most of these people would be classified as 'tards'. I've personally more than once have come across people claiming that certain series (Fate/Zero, Madoka, etc.) aren't as good as some more popular titles (Naruto, Bleach, etc.) generally with something along the lines of "Well, if so many people like it then it has to be a lot better," which is not a valid argument in my opinion.

This attitude is ignorant, annoying and usually spoken from a child who isn't truly an anime fan, merely a fan of a series or two that happens to be an anime. I must say I personally find them a lot less annoying than the anime elitists or even worse... the 'oldtaku' (Its like they somehow combined tards and elitists into one incredibly stupid package)


I find people on both extremes to be equally annoying, personally. Whether you are talking about elitist snobs or ignorant casual fans, they are both pretty terrible to deal with.

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For me I just hate seeing shows that dont deserve the success having so much compared to shows I feel deserve it and dont have it. Most of the mainstream stuff is not good at all compared to whats all out there in the same genres even.
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Lambchopzin wrote:


I find people on both extremes to be equally annoying, personally. Whether you are talking about elitist snobs or ignorant casual fans, they are both pretty terrible to deal with.



Couldn't agree with you more, I personally just find the elitists worse since they tend to more involved in the general community thus I have to deal with them more often.
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What? The actual issue is that mainstream anime gets hated on far too much compared to 12 - 24 episode long animes. And all for ridiculous reasons such as, "it's too long". Naruto and Bleach are prime targets of this as One Piece is some kind of holy grail despite being relatively the same in substance. Yes, I said it. Alert the church elders.

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Cliches were always more popular than the original....always.
People enjoy cliches so much more and practically ignore anything that is not a cliche.

Would Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and any other over hyped series be worth watching if they were very underrated? People talk about about how the series are so popular and don't deserve the popularity. Would you even consider watching it if it wasn't popular? There are other shows that can take the place of every highly cliche anime series out there as something better. What happens next?

I do sit and just wonder.
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Posted 11/29/13 , edited 11/29/13
Basically FkYouBish's definition of mainstream is shounen/seinen which basically enjoys a large following in the non-japanese anime watchers.

I'm not 100% sure when it comes to japanese viewers but I do think that japanese anime watchers tend to watch more genres as opposed to the "casual" non-japanese watchers who mostly stick to shounen/seinen. I mean PMMM is pretty much mainstream already in Japan... not so much in any other country.

I can somewhat relate to that point... I mean there was one time 1 guy was arguing with me saying that Death Note is more successful than PMMM... I'm like... what?!
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MartianMage wrote:

Basically FkYouBish's definition of mainstream is shounen/seinen which basically enjoys a large following in the non-japanese anime watchers.

I'm not 100% sure when it comes to japanese viewers but I do think that japanese anime watchers tend to watch more genres as opposed to the "casual" non-japanese watchers who mostly stick to shounen/seinen. I mean PMMM is pretty much mainstream already in Japan... not so much in any other country.

I can somewhat relate to that point... I mean there was one time 1 guy was arguing with me saying that Death Note is more successful than PMMM... I'm like... what?!


lol yeah PMMM is like literally half of japans economy
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Honestly, I don't think there's an actual group of people that hates on "non-mainstream" anime. You need to have heard of a series to hate it. If anything, a lack of reaction from casual anime fans is the most likely. Or a misunderstanding by a very vocal minority who believe there's a direct correlation between popularity and quality.
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Posted 11/29/13

kdroberts wrote:

"Animes"...


This Guy gets it!
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DeviFreakMint wrote:

Honestly, I don't think there's an actual group of people that hates on "non-mainstream" anime. You need to have heard of a series to hate it. If anything, a lack of reaction from casual anime fans is the most likely. Or a misunderstanding by a very vocal minority who believe there's a direct correlation between popularity and quality.

Yeah I don't think it's really "hate." The problem is just the "casual" watchers only watch the mainstream ones so when they talk about anime they talk as if the mainstream animes are the only good ones which can aggravate non casuals...
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IMO think people hate the"Mainstream Anime" more than the new regular one or two season animes. That being said if an anime is bad it get what it deserves!

But look at Kill La Kill very popular but some people dont like it because of the insanity,violence fanservice etc. Not because its mainstream or not!

My last thought on this is I follow my favorite animes on the forum and really dont see what the author is trying to say.There is a lot of good anime fans out there whose views and genres can agree or be far apart.But I rarely see mainstream fans hatinng on smaller releases.
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