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Faeleia wrote:

If you want to complain, debate, be atheistic in comments, please don't create a new thread just for it. There IS a Christian thread right? I'll lock this thread if it's not any different other than a new place to put very long religious rants.


Well this is actually a spin-off from another thread, we were getting offtopic so I made this one. That IS what we're supposed to do right?


Oh man, off topicness of an offtopicness. But it really seems more to me like a small group debate that wants to continue along. I suppose I'll leave this, since there ARE lots of other religious threads. Until I sort a way to deal with ALL them, this stays.

Anyway, I didn't mean that atheist comments are all to be directed there, but it's more of I can't help but feel frustrated to see that the Christian thread or Muslim thread(s) be so filled with disbelieving comments, as if it's up for people to tear apart.

Unfortunately, it's a discussion, not a debate forum, so an overflow of atheistic comments with questions bearing accordance with science and theories are just posted over and over with the intention to catch one follower, unable to answer and claim a mini-victory.

The reason the threads are there, is more for discussing about the religion itself, allow followers to find like-minded people, occasionally for brave souls to attempt answering famous theories against a particular train of thought, and so help to enlighten, rather than a rat's race of 'Can you eat this that I'm feeding you?' then stuff a guinea pig with 4 tonnes of food, overworking it till death. Then the questions repeat cos nobody bothers reading responses, but how some muslims got 'Owned!' how some Christians get 'pwned' by a 'great question'. Members here aren't trained in knowing their stuff well, so naturally some of them struggle, that's understandable.

That's how I feel about this entire spinoffs about debates. It's now more of 'how much can I discredit and disprove your ideas in everyway I can' rather than 'I hope to be enlightened, but what about these questions I have? I don't believe in your religion, but this is what I've been hearing from people.'

Hope you understood my points.


Well I honestly hold no ill-will against anyone on here. These forums, among others, are just places I like to test my own theories. Its hard to notice flaws in your own conclusions..or rather you dont really want to notice them. Talking and discussing these theories with people online (who tend to be like hungry wolves waiting to rip apart any fallacy) is a good way of testing their survivability and truthfulness(maybe?). Maybe I'm selfish in doing this...I'm not really sure.

And whether you like it or not, that's the internet for you. Most people lose their decency when things turn electronic. Even if you try to be nice in explaining your ideas, everyone just pulls you into the water by shooting insults at you. After a while, people just give up and posting every new idea becomes a process of preparation/armoring, charging out, and seeing how long you can hold before they eat you alive.

You're a nice person, I think I can sense that, and your intentions are well meant, but let's face it, this IS the internet. I can understand how you feel, I've GM/modded various games/forums before, its frustrating. I'd like to give you a hug and tell you to feel better and figure out a way to fix these dup threads. lol

and I'll try to be nicer to people.
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Also, I deleted the spam posts ^^.



Fank yoo =3 *hugs Extended Discussion section*


I think this thread was necessary, or closer to the time that it was made. There was a debate going on that actually brought up a few (very few, but existent) valid points, which could potentially have been expanded on, but failed to be.
On the other hand, it was completely off topic, with the topic being "How could the Extended Discussion section benefit Crunchyroll", whereas the posts were about Christianity.
You were probably aware of that, but now you are aware of it for certain.

I think this religion discussion has died about now though....
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Okay, first thing that really bothers me about this thread, did you ask Dark_Flubba for permission to A. make this thread about a debate between the two of you and B. chop his arguments up in a thread seemingly made for the sole purpose of atheistpwning him? If not, let me mention that this whole thing is kind of rude against him and makes it seem like you wanted some applause from the interwebs atheists.

I wonder why most of atheists on the intertubes and IRL behave like angry bitches every time they find a Christian or member of any other religion that will be brave enough to debate with them. As far as I see Dark_Flubba was rather polite and patient in his argumentation, while excalion was shooting his atheist sarcasm lazorrs of smartass-ism.

If anyone cares about my personal thoughts on Religion vs Atheism, to me any member of a religion is fine as long as he doesn't try to force his beliefs onto me. I, too, really can't stand it. But. Surprisingly, atheists tend to be even more obnoxious towards members of a religion than they are to atheists. If some hardcore *insert-religion-here*-freak feels aggravated by my polite disinterest or *confession* at times slight amusement, I will wtfpwn him and leave. End of story. Everyone that is harmless shall not be harmed by me and neither made fun of without provocation. I don't believe me to be the smarter or even superior human only because I find it hard to believe what they believe. It's good for them, granted often not so nice for others. But only because religion has been and is doing harm here and there most atheists seem to think it's okay to be flaming them solely because they believe in a god? Mind your own business.

Tolerance should not only include persued minorities...I noticed that most atheists become atheists when they hit their teens. Maybe that's why they are so immature about it. I have been an or at least claimed ;3 to be an atheist since I was an elemantary schooler. When most of my friends started ranting about the stupidity and hypocracy and contradictions in religions I had long learned not to be a little asshole about it. I like to inquire religious people about their beliefs sometimes, I'm curious about it because I could not accept the same things for a fact that they do. And I have had some nice and relaxed debates about it with religious friends. Some heated and stupid ones as well of course, but in my opinion a large portion of humanism should be individul freedom ftw. For example stating your beliefs and not being made fun of for it right away.

And because I started this epically long post, I will take the time point out some points in excalion's arguments that I don't really find bulletproof either >:3 I'll skip most however, because I don't want to bother with them


excalion wrote:

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2. No actually I was implying that fact that you believe you know it all, while you have never been a Christian you still seem to talk as if you have been one and talk as if it's not worthy of anyone to be come Christian nor is any religion that is what I was implying.

How can you criticize me for something you're doing yourself (believing you/christians know it all)
Also, I do not need to be a Christian to object to being a Christian, just like I dont need to be a Nazi to object to being a Nazi.


There's a difference, we are able to analyze the nazi ideology and thus reject or accept it with good reasoning, but belief is actually that one thing that a non-believer can never fully comprehend. That's one of the reasons why these arguments are so fierce and hateful. The keypoint in all these debates about the right and wrong of believing in a god, is always fallacies to the atheists and belief as an unexplicable...something to the believers.


excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
Christian teachings are based on God.

Christians think Christian teachings are based on God.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one who stated that god does
exist, simply because he/she/it/whatever exists in the mind of people? I admit I didn't read through the whole thing though. Anyway, if so, then it's perfectly reasonable for a Christian to believe so.


excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
Problems = Evil correct?

Actually Suffering = Evil
Problems = inevitability.


Problems will inevitably cause suffering, correct?
If a problem = inevitability, then suffering also = inevitability. Not evil.


excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
If he can do anything, then he can simply give us perfection and free will in a way we cannot understand. Why do must we understand it or must it be logical for us to make it be? If God he can do anything as you said, so why not this? Why can't he do everything and anything in a way we don't understand.


He can, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And if he does exist, I believe he has done everything in a way we cannot understand.
But Christians claim to understand it, which I find to be absurd.
You probably agree with me on these issues, but you see something against Christianity and you instantly refute it to defend your religion. That's the problem with religion, it rarely looks at what is important, it just looks at names and kill each other for their differences.


Once again, a religious person will naturally view other things as important as someone tyring to grasp things with logical argumentation. And then what you say is not true. In all the....movies I saw and what I heard from Christians saying about their religions, it's all about the holy mysteries that they cannot understand. Isn't there a saying like "god's ways are a mystery to us/incomprehensible" (I suck at quoting, but I hope I kind of decently paraphrased it at least)


excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
1. When I called you ignorant, I meant that you would not accept any other idea's except your own.

Except ignorant doesn't mean arrogant, ignorant means ignorant, which is not what you say you meant.


Well, by his definition he didn't mean arrogant either...I don't know...English is not my first language, with my limited vocabulary I would go for narrow-minded.

And lastly:


excalion wrote:
but...that's just a technicality, good to clear that up. Disregard this in the argument.



excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
But we care for everything we do or we wouldn't do it. So therefore we are all fools and some more so than others.

I never refuted what you said, I just said it really doesn't matter. Now can we stop talking about this pointless technicality?


Heh, sounds bitchy. Actually it was not a bad point imo.

That was the longest fucking post I ever bothered to type and no one will read it of course while I wasted time that was meant for my homework >.> But anyway, the point is let's all just relax about this shit...Oh and, this was not really entirely directed at excalion, how come most of the atheists seem to get off on bashing a Christian?
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Woaw O_O

Nice post ahojcookieImage

I read most of it ~_~

Unlike you, I won't make a long post since I too got school work to do, term paper to be more precise <.<

Yay me... *sigh*

I don't mind religious people as well as long as they (heh, 3 'as') don't try to force their religion on me and other things that goes without mentioning.

(btw, how do you write a user's name so that when you click on it you get to his profile? I forgot )
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Yeah, nice post ahojcookie, it's exactly what I wanted to see from the Extended Discussion.

Anyway, heres what I think.
First off, Dark_Flubba was, in fact, "aggravated" by my use of Christians as an example. It was an EXAMPLE and I also stated that I meant the more freak ones, probably a bit subtle for some, but it was there. His post didn't even make sense, though it was clear he was trying to shut me down on my use of Christians *as an example* (let me emphasize, I stated it was the freak ones, the extremists).
We're friends in RL anyway, and he knows he's stupid and I'm smart =3 (yeh and what)
Looking back, Dark_Flubba's posts had A LOT of questions in it, a majority of them attempting to be rhetorical, but failing really. He asked questions, excalion cut each question out to answer them. And Dark_Flubba STILL manages to keep talking based on excalions answers.
This Christian was asking for it, basically.

I'm not very learned on the atheist <> Christian bashings, but I have to admit, some of the things they say are just WTF, totally beyond the simplest of reason and logic, while some make life look like some epic fairytale. In my eyes, sometimes they just SCREAM to me that they blind themselves purposely to the logic that their common sense has given up on.
When you see one of those people, what do you think? Mind, it's not just Christians. There are many other beliefs and such that can give the WTF effect, and people who have become engrossed in that belief can be quite similar, Christianity just seems to be very popular.

http://duggmirror.com/comedy/100_Greatest_Quotes_from_fundamentalist_christian_chat_rooms/

Heres a link to some WTF quotes from the Christian communities. I can only read these in awe.

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ahojcookie wrote:
There's a difference, we are able to analyze the nazi ideology and thus reject or accept it with good reasoning, but belief is actually that one thing that a non-believer can never fully comprehend. That's one of the reasons why these arguments are so fierce and hateful. The keypoint in all these debates about the right and wrong of believing in a god, is always fallacies to the atheists and belief as an unexplicable...something to the believers.

Ok..how about I dont need to be a Satanist to object to being a Satanist? o.o


ahojcookie wrote:

excalion wrote:
Christians think Christian teachings are based on God.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you the one who stated that god does
exist, simply because he/she/it/whatever exists in the mind of people? I admit I didn't read through the whole thing though. Anyway, if so, then it's perfectly reasonable for a Christian to believe so.

Yes except what might be reasonable for them isn't exactly reasonable for me.
While I did stress the existence of the idea of God in people's minds. I guess what I forgot to stress is if its only in your mind, then its true for only you, its not universally true. Basically:
If Christians think their teachings are based on God, then its true for Christians their teachings are indeed based on God, but its not true for anyone else.
Very very simplified version of what I'm trying to say:
If you believe something, then you believe something is true, then that thing is true for you, and only you.(and others who believe the same thing of course)
I know that sounds really obvious but I dont know why so many people fail to see that.


ahojcookie wrote:
Problems will inevitably cause suffering, correct?
If a problem = inevitability, then suffering also = inevitability. Not evil.

It is entirely possible to have a problem without suffering. Suffering is a mentality, problems are a physical happening. If I'm not clear, I'll try to rephrase.
A person can have problems happening all around him, but he can still be immune to suffering due to a happy-go-lucky mentality. In fact, Buddhism emphasizes on problems, and also emphasizes on the immunity to suffering by thinking that nothing was yours in the first place.
Therefor, problems =/= suffering.


excalion wrote:
Once again, a religious person will naturally view other things as important as someone tyring to grasp things with logical argumentation. And then what you say is not true. In all the....movies I saw and what I heard from Christians saying about their religions, it's all about the holy mysteries that they cannot understand. Isn't there a saying like "god's ways are a mystery to us/incomprehensible" (I suck at quoting, but I hope I kind of decently paraphrased it at least)

Unfortunately most Christians actually believe than CAN understand God and his teachings, if not completely then to a degree. If they didn't claim as such, there would be no Christianity (except for a book *probably fiction* depicting what happened thousands of years ago) And most of them dont care about the actual teachings as much as they care about the entities God and Jesus, for it is from the conceptualization of these entities that their teachings hold any power in the first place.


ahojcookie wrote:
Well, by his definition he didn't mean arrogant either...I don't know...English is not my first language, with my limited vocabulary I would go for narrow-minded.

Arrogance: The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption. Closely related to the act of arrogating.

Narrow-minded: Having restricted or rigid views, and being unreceptive to new ideas

Yes by what he said he meant, it would be more defined as narrow-minded, but being narrow-minded is a trait of being arrogant. If you read his posts and his comments about my character, you will see that arrogance more accurately describes that he is actually calling me.


ahojcookie wrote:

excalion wrote:

Dark_Flubba wrote:
But we care for everything we do or we wouldn't do it. So therefore we are all fools and some more so than others.

I never refuted what you said, I just said it really doesn't matter. Now can we stop talking about this pointless technicality?


Heh, sounds bitchy. Actually it was not a bad point imo.


Well how we got to this was with his first response he called me an 'ignorant retard' to which I responded that indeed we might all be ignorant retards. To that he replied "some more than others" obviously refering to me. The point I was trying to make here is that in the end it doesn't really matter, and argueing this moot point will not further the conversation.


ahojcookie wrote:
That was the longest fucking post I ever bothered to type and no one will read it of course while I wasted time that was meant for my homework >.> But anyway, the point is let's all just relax about this shit...Oh and, this was not really entirely directed at excalion, how come most of the atheists seem to get off on bashing a Christian?


Actually, before you jump down my throat, I jumped into Gabcom's thread to make a whimsical claim on Christianity, I wasn't bashing anyone in particular, just stating my deductions on what Christianity could be. If there is any fault in that, it was that I did not back them up by sufficiently showing the 'why'. To which I later corrected by copy/pasting quotes of myself from other threads on this forum.(Upon request)

Directly answering your question though:
Idk, how come most of the religious followers seem to get off on telling atheists we're gonna go to hell?
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How do some of you insult each other about how the other doesn't know what they are talking about? You can't really prove or disprove god's existence with logic. Then someone can say that you can't believe something until it can be proven even if it can't be disproved. But religion also tends to believe in god(s) based on their faith and belief. Not logical evidence. And you can't really argue which if more valid: faith versus logic. You really can't prove either side of that debate either since logic is merely another function of the human mind to make sense of things and to seeking the truth. Logic being on a different page as faith, you can't really form a conclusive argument against faith since it's something abstract to our comprehension. So, do claim that god exists or do we claim that he doesn't? Or do we claim that we shouldn't believe in god unless we have proof? We really can't have a solid claim on either so I don't know why people are getting heated about it and telling each other off.

The people giving religion a good name are the people who don't tell off or belittle the ones that don't believe.
And the non religious people giving atheists and agnostics a good name are the ones who disagree yet respect the views and beliefs of those with religious faith.
Then there are those who look down on and insult the other, merely fueling more hostility between the two sides.

Btw. You guys can't argue using definitions and lingual loopholes to make the other person wrong. It's obvious that sometimes it's obviously not what they mean yet you're twisting their words around to suit your argument.
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the thing is, at the beginning of time, god got himself a better image advisor than the devil. since then when something good happens(by the law of probability) "it's gods will", and when something bad happens "he works in mysterious ways" this is what christians say when u tell them things like "why does he allow evil?".

christians god is one of the worst god of all religions, he demands devotion and gives "hell" for those who doesn't worship him.
if i'm correct, i think christianity is the only religion with a hell. so why does many people believe in such a horrible thing, maybe it's because they need to believe in something, we all do. but don't go saying that a god who kills innocent childs everyday is a mercyful god.

if he did created us, we should all go to heaven despite our believes, and we "should" go to hell if we do things like killing people or things like that.

u know, all the christians i know are hypocrites, they go around all week doing "bad things" but on sunday they go to church and confess, that's it, all their sins are erased. that's why christianity is one of the worst religions, because it allows its followers to say "it's ok if i rape that girl, i'll confess later".

so let's see, christians: allowed to commit any sins, as long as they regret it, it's ok.
and most atheists: good people, often people with deep thoughts, they keep their minds open, not like christians who don't accept any comment about their god or believe.

u know what pisses me off, people who say atheists are evildoers who don't care about anything, it's not like that. people shouldn't be against killing because they're going to hell, they should be against it because is a terrible thing to do to another human being.
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the thing is, at the beginning of time, god got himself a better image advisor than the devil. since then when something good happens(by the law of probability) "it's gods will", and when something bad happens "he works in mysterious ways" this is what christians say when u tell them things like "why does he allow evil?".

christians god is one of the worst god of all religions, he demands devotion and gives "hell" for those who doesn't worship him.
if i'm correct, i think christianity is the only religion with a hell. so why does many people believe in such a horrible thing, maybe it's because they need to believe in something, we all do. but don't go saying that a god who kills innocent childs everyday is a mercyful god.

if he did created us, we should all go to heaven despite our believes, and we "should" go to hell if we do things like killing people or things like that.

u know, all the christians i know are hypocrites, they go around all week doing "bad things" but on sunday they go to church and confess, that's it, all their sins are erased. that's why christianity is one of the worst religions, because it allows its followers to say "it's ok if i rape that girl, i'll confess later".

so let's see, christians: allowed to commit any sins, as long as they regret it, it's ok.
and most atheists: good people, often people with deep thoughts, they keep their minds open, not like christians who don't accept any comment about their god or believe.

u know what pisses me off, people who say atheists are evildoers who don't care about anything, it's not like that. people shouldn't be against killing because they're going to hell, they should be against it because is a terrible thing to do to another human being.


they use the whole "it's gods will" as a scapegoat cuz they dont know why and its far easier to understand if u let someone else deal with it even if it is a god. i agree with u bout the christians god being the worst....the whole concept of hell was prolly a way to keep ppl in line since there was no complex government system in place....which is an excellent use of fear back then.

humans are selfish creatures, we wont give anything(food,water,money,life) unless theres something, they think they will get in return, thats worth it. Believing in something helps keep us sane and calm even in death

if god did create us, shouldnt he know wat we will b like during our lives? if so arent we judged to go to heaven or hell b4 we r born?

i agree about the confession thing wat a load....enough said

religion is a way for somepeople to jutify thier views and sway other ppl into thinking its in their best interest. they say atheists r evil because we dont think like them or follow their path and if atheists talk to them, christians could question their faith and prolly throw it away evenually causing the collapse of the religion. i agree killing is bad.....but so long as humans want something, things like war, corruption, and killing will never disappear
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excalion wrote:


Dark_Flubba wrote:
1. When I called you ignorant, I meant that you would not accept any other idea's except your own.

Except ignorant doesn't mean arrogant, ignorant means ignorant, which is not what you say you meant.
but...that's just a technicality, good to clear that up. Disregard this in the argument.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
2. No actually I was implying that fact that you believe you know it all, while you have never been a Christian you still seem to talk as if you have been one and talk as if it's not worthy of anyone to be come Christian nor is any religion that is what I was implying.

How can you criticize me for something you're doing yourself (believing you/christians know it all)
Also, I do not need to be a Christian to object to being a Christian, just like I dont need to be a Nazi to object to being a Nazi.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
An easier solution, you talk about you reading 1500+ pages of religion, who's to say it wasn't completely biased?

Keep this thought in mind.

Dark_Flubba wrote:
But hey who know's right? So, my answer is, go read the Bible, there's reasoning.

Remember the thought I said to keep in mind?


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Christian teachings are based on God.

Christians think Christian teachings are based on God.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Once again I ask what do you know about Christian teachings, for the third time I believe.

Christian teachings include
1. Love thy neighbor. (Which no one follows, they might make a facade for it, but deep down, they dont)
2. Do not kill. (lol..I shouldn't even need to bring up how people have not followed this)
3. God is just and wise. (please refer to what I quoted above on God and human traits)
4. God loves you. (I find is hard to believe a being so far superior to us loves us, and if he did love us, would not make us suffer)


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Your posts seem to have one simple meaning, that God is not real because we made him up to escape our problems. Well let me ask you, what causes problems? Why are there problems?

Problems are a nature occurrence. They are simply the events that we find unpleasant.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Problems = Evil correct?

Actually Suffering = Evil
Problems = inevitability.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Why isn't the world fully corrupted? Why are people nice, kind, compassionate, these virtues cannot come from evil, then why hasn't evil consumed everyone?

1. People are nice, kind, compassionate because of
a) a guilty conscious
b) fear of going to hell
2. You are assuming good and evil exists (under the pretext of God)
3. You are assuming this 'evil' has not already consumed everyone.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
The world is full of problems and we just wan't to escape correct? So we use a 'fake being' to escape our problems? But if it's a fake being then nothing should change, correct? After all it is fake, what can something that is 'fake' do anything.

Ever heard of the placebo effect?
People dont need this 'fake' thing to do anything, they can do it themselves. They just need a mental image of security to comfort themselves.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Let me ask you why have people died for something that is fake? Why do people go through persecution day after day for something that is purely made up?

People are stubborn, they will die for their beliefs, but that in no way shape or form makes those beliefs right.


Dark_Flubba wrote:
Why does the majority of the world believe in a God, we must all be wrong except for Aethiests which believe a God is purely wrong and false. If so then let me come back to your example of Nazi's, they believed Hitler as a God, but there is no such thing as a God, so they believed in something that is unreal and false but used these 'false' accusations and beliefs to slaughter innocent lives? Which comes back to my point that this is caused by evil, which means evil should have dominated the world and the world should be no more, but why are we still here? Debating about this?

Hitler was a powerful political leader, but he was hardly considered a God.
Actually, you just contradicted yourself, lemme quote your sentences and put them together.



But if it's a fake being then nothing should change, correct? After all it is fake, what can something that is 'fake' do anything.




Nazi's, they believed Hitler as a God, but there is no such thing as a God, so they believed in something that is unreal and false but used these 'false' accusations and beliefs to slaughter innocent lives?

Also, you are assuming just because Evil has dominated the world, we would not be here.


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But we care for everything we do or we wouldn't do it. So therefore we are all fools and some more so than others.

I never refuted what you said, I just said it really doesn't matter. Now can we stop talking about this pointless technicality?



Dark_Flubba wrote:
If he can do anything, then he can simply give us perfection and free will in a way we cannot understand. Why do must we understand it or must it be logical for us to make it be? If God he can do anything as you said, so why not this? Why can't he do everything and anything in a way we don't understand.


He can, that's exactly what I'm saying.
And if he does exist, I believe he has done everything in a way we cannot understand.
But Christians claim to understand it, which I find to be absurd.
You probably agree with me on these issues, but you see something against Christianity and you instantly refute it to defend your religion. That's the problem with religion, it rarely looks at what is important, it just looks at names and kill each other for their differences.
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As for a clarification on my own beliefs.
Looking at the cosmological argument, it is likely that 'something' existed before our universe, and was the cause of our universe.
This existence however, was unlikely to be this "God" Christians believe, it is probably more of an 'event'. Do I believe God exists? That depends on your definition of God.
If you define God as an idea in people's head that give solace. Then yes, I believe God exists.
If you define God as an unknown event that was the original cause of our universe. The yes, I believe God exists.
If you define God as a being out of a magical fairy tale that 'magically' created us all and is a gentle and loving being that's constantly looking out for us in the heavens. Then no, I dont think such a God exists.
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PS: This is getting way off topic, I'm making a new thread.


Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. This was too long to read but I just thought I'd clear that up since thats the first thing I saw in the discussion and people seem to get the definition confused with something else...even you did, and when you try to correct someone, you might wanna try and get the def. correct when you do it. Just a suggestion... I'll give you my output in a bit, once I read this.
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Tsukiyomi2021 wrote:
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. This was too long to read but I just thought I'd clear that up since thats the first thing I saw in the discussion and people seem to get the definition confused with something else...even you did, and when you try to correct someone, you might wanna try and get the def. correct when you do it. Just a suggestion... I'll give you my output in a bit, once I read this.


I know what ignorance means, but could you point out where I used the word wrongly?

Also, did you not see what I said right after I corrected dark's usage of of the word?

And there is really no need to quote an ENTIRE post if you are not going to talk about the entire post, just a quoting etiquette.
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Tsukiyomi2021 wrote:
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. This was too long to read but I just thought I'd clear that up since thats the first thing I saw in the discussion and people seem to get the definition confused with something else...even you did, and when you try to correct someone, you might wanna try and get the def. correct when you do it. Just a suggestion... I'll give you my output in a bit, once I read this.


I know what ignorance means, but could you point out where I used the word wrongly?

Also, did you not see what I said right after I corrected dark's usage of of the word?


You mean this?Except ignorant doesn't mean arrogant, ignorant means ignorant, which is not what you say you meant.. I don't think half the people that read this knew what you said. I understood it as "Which is not what you say you meant" was your definition.
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not to jump off topic but if ignorance is bliss, why arent more ppl happy?

ppl often define words in unique ways to suit their needs
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Tsukiyomi2021 wrote:


excalion wrote:


Tsukiyomi2021 wrote:
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. This was too long to read but I just thought I'd clear that up since thats the first thing I saw in the discussion and people seem to get the definition confused with something else...even you did, and when you try to correct someone, you might wanna try and get the def. correct when you do it. Just a suggestion... I'll give you my output in a bit, once I read this.


I know what ignorance means, but could you point out where I used the word wrongly?

Also, did you not see what I said right after I corrected dark's usage of of the word?


You mean this?Except ignorant doesn't mean arrogant, ignorant means ignorant, which is not what you say you meant.. I don't think half the people that read this knew what you said. I understood it as "Which is not what you say you meant" was your definition.


Ok I'll rephrase that for the sake of your understanding.

"You called me ignorant, but you were actually trying to call me arrogant. You say you used 'ignorant' to describe I'm narrow-minded, but that is not what 'ignorance' means."

There, better? This post was originally a post to answer someone else in another thread (which was getting offtopic so I made this one). It was not meant for most people to understand, just the person I was replying to.
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riavan wrote:

I'm an athiest and I gave up long ago, religion defies logic.


Of course it does, religion requires a leap of faith.


How Gay...I take a leap of chances instead, it's my choice and no one elses.
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