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Post Reply Liberalizing forum rules for the new year - currently conflicts with CR's own content
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Posted 12/18/13
I figured it was the forums were open to the public, the MA videos needed a age qualification. Will not test since two accounts is against the rules.
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I was just going through the ANN forums. I didn't know that they allowed for a Hentai suggestion thread. Even though, as you mentioned, that the site is family friendly enough, it doesn't shy away from being honest to the site's demographic of 18-34 male. I feel that crunchyroll should be doing the same for its community, especially since a handful of the types of shows they stream would probably pass off as an "M" rating in regular US broadcasting- Kill La Kill. Of course, I'll even agree that a Hentai suggestion thread is kind of a stretch, but at very least, the community should open it up for a better dialogue as it feels like the subject is being iced.

As I mentioned, this isn't really that high of a priority. Additionally, the attention already split in grabbing users, so the volume from the forums isn't as high in retention per turn ratio. This goes to your business model idea. This forum is more of a quaternary supplement rather than a core. ANN and the like keep a forum to sustain, and the forums go great to compliment as a secondary. Also, ad revenue on the crunchyroll forum is probably almost a non-factor since a good amount, more so than in the past, of the participating users are members versus non-members.

Maybe the crunchyroll forum isn't as sexy as before. Maybe it needs a re-tooling and redesigning. I believe that their forums alone should be the de facto go to place for Anime discussions and Anime fun. It should be that place where you want to stay in to do a play by play of the latest episode, and that volume from such should offset something.
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ANN appears to be more active in its moderation due to the participation of the staff members in the forum. This is something I'd like to see more from Crunchyroll. Community events* is a good way of encouraging site activity and teaching the rules to newcomers. Crunchyroll does it fair share of contests but that only really applies to the front page of the site and now the "secondary" forum. While there are moderators who [used to] actively post in threads, it appears to be a rare occasion now unless you count the "Chat with the Moderator" thread. It's understandable that the CR community staff may not have the necessary free time to post in threads but an occasional post or two goes a long way in showing that are active in the community.

*I find it strange that the community events have a much more liberal stance than the actual forums. This disparity troubles me because it creates a notion that it'll be fine to post the same material in the forums. But from my experiences of posting, it is not okay. I have been warned for posting an image hinting sexuality yet a post like this has been left untouched. I brought events like this up in the "Chat with the Moderators" thread once (under an old account) and was told they treat individual posts on a case-by-case basis. I found this to be an inconsistent moderation and despite those type of posts being violations, the justification behind the decision to not remove them was because community events were easier to moderate.

In any case, the CR rules are too strict especially considering half the shows they license violate the principles of PG-13. I believe if the rules were changed to allow images of shows that CR then it would be reasonable. But as it stands, the rules are much too strict and, in some cases, cuts off discussions. I'm all for a change like this -- this is not to say that I support CR becoming something like SankakuComplex but I support it following something along the lines of ANN.
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Posted 1/14/14
Not really much of a mystery to why this has cooled off.

Anywho, this:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/01/14-1/video-finally-pokmon-xy-gets-steamy-with-pokmon-mating



I thought that you might be interested in the recent developments of the front page. That was pretty rank- hilarious but rank- in relatives to the community standards.



I know you saw that Kami. "LAWL"


Probably crunchyroll should take a page out of Anime Reddit pages and /chan/ site and what they have played; they probably are in some aspects. Not that it has to totally go there, but it should be a bit more honest with its secondary community. The example above might be a bit coarse, maybe too coarse, but I'm assuming that it was posted because Mr. Joseph Luster has a good grip on the community. Do take into account that it is on the front page, where probably the most eyes are; additionally, it is the one with the most activity brewing in a short amount of time in relatives to the other news posts.

Come on crunchyroll. Be a bit more honest with your community users and demographic.

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Posted 1/26/14
You know, I found this image to be quite hilarious: it's from the 3rd episode (3 minute, 5 second mark) of Wizard Barristers which is licensed by CR -- the show doesn't have an 18+ tag or warning as far as I know but this part is NSFW (due to its artistic merit).



I mean, this is an example of what goes against community standards but it's CR content. I mean, you can argue that because it's not a real person it could pass but still. . . the rules clearly state:



3.1 Nude/Naked
~ Any form of nudity, regardless of whether or not the subject is covering their breasts or genitalia, will not be tolerated.

3.2 Female Breast Exposure
~ Exposure of more than 1/2 of the breast, exposure of the areola, and exposure of the nipple will not be tolerated. Fondling of the breasts (i.e. grasping the breasts either by the character or by another character) will not be tolerated either.

3.4 Sexual Connotations
~ Any picture depicting sexual undertones, such as sex, masturbation, or anything of the sort will not be tolerated.


Interesting thing about rule 3.4 -- posting an image of jokes from Seitokai Yakuindomo* (another CR license) would violate the rule, too.
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Posted 1/28/14

Embrace_Me wrote:

[Rice and such]


Let's not forget about the blue genie in Magi in episode #5.


Love the comments by the way. Here's a taste-


Where was crunchyroll when this scene showed up on the screen? Where was crunchyroll's discretion at this in considering that their mods are so active on the forums for such very content? How much more eyes were on that than on the forums but the forums get an extra stressed when something like this shows? Obviously, there was a dialog that occurred on the comments, so the "interaction" factor was very present. Let's not forget that that's by randomness too, so there's the aspect in the conversation that was mentioned before.

It's not like it's the subber's department to be screening for scenes like these and noting it for the audience. Though, from the sounds from the dialogue that's been hurled back and forth in this forum community, crunchyroll is trying to be the "responsible" supplier and try to minimize such incidents, but ironically, such incidents too are something that crunchyroll capitalize and perpetuate on their community, very apparent on the things that have been presented on this thread, the news, the products, and the shows.

Crunchyroll doesn't really have to go that far as to allowing full blown naked breasts on its forums, and I'll wholly agree as I've mentioned before. There's the possibility for the abuse for this in the context with the interactions on the public forums if something like the blue naked genie were to be allowed, and that's understandable. But crunchyroll have to take into account that this is a community that consumes a culture that reveres itself on using subjects like sexual innuendos, anatomically inaccurate boobage, and such in a regular basis in a more liberal manner than of the West, and that's kind of one of the reason why they are here in the first place.

Again, I'm not saying to open up the floodgates. But, crunchyroll should let the community reflect the culture it's selling to better sell it. Let the community decide on what direction it wants to take and just let the mods take care of actual, actual abuse instead of reprimanding its own clientèle because at the end this is for the customers' entertainment and not the mods convince'.


Oh yeah. This entire thread:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-828625/winners-announced-caption-contest-kill-la-kill-style-


Going back to this-

3.4 Sexual Connotations
~ Any picture depicting sexual undertones, such as sex, masturbation, or anything of the sort will not be tolerated


I get that it's sponsored by a mod, but yeah.
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Posted 1/28/14
So I read through this thread... I can't tell if you all are mad that CR is not censoring enough... or that they just need to update their rules to be a little bit more lax, since that seems to be what they are doing anyway...
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@Stonewolfe

No, definitely not advocating for more censorship. Just want CR to relax the rules for the *forums*, the rules that Embrace_me quoted above.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/library/Site_Rules
Basically I think 3.2 and 3.4 should simply be removed. And 3.1 you can just link to. But even this is technically not allowed by rule #1 This prevents linking even to some company's sites.

The motivation is because there's an increasing disconnect between these restrictive rules and the news articles and show contents on CR, and well, the subculture itself. Like pointed out with Magi above. Actually, if the censored sign were smaller, showing more than half of Paimon's tits, that's grounds for removal per 3.2.

But these rules are broken not just in the CR shows, but also figures in the CR store, and CR manga, and generally speaking, even famous classics like Dragonball Z. The uncensored version of DBZ (which Viz published a long time ago) broke all these rules constantly and was literally meant for *kids*. Same with Ranma 1/2 and other classics.

CR was not always like this. As Zendude pointed out before, there was a "purge" and clamp down a few years ago. But it should be time to revisit and reevaluate this.

And given the increased international, Latin American and European streaming territories, in the future CR forums may attract for foreign users (they already have a Spanish forum). It'll become more apparent as they don't freak out over nipples, and don't equate it to adults-only or porn. I've you've seen regular European media you'll know what I mean.
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Posted 2/10/14 , edited 2/10/14

Stonewolfe wrote:

So I read through this thread... I can't tell if you all are mad that CR is not censoring enough... or that they just need to update their rules to be a little bit more lax, since that seems to be what they are doing anyway...


Well, it's more along the lines crunchyroll forum mods not penalizing the users for the same material and culture that crunchyroll is representing and selling.

I've seen a couple more users penalized for similar content while other users haven't been touched at all in a more public arena. Take note it's not like that they are abusing other users or trolling them; these users are pretty courteous and some even paying customers. Mostly, it's just jokes from shows that the show makes themselves and kind of off-color text- not anything like full-on pornography nor even nudity. Take note that it's not directly derogating a particular user.

(Additionally, at times, crunchyroll makes it totally okay to disregard some of these rules in favor of forum contests while disregarding the regular forum's ruling.)

The comments on this news post is a pretty good sample size of the demographic that crunchyroll is selling to:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/02/09/parents-television-council-targets-cartoon-network-s-adult-swim

As npcomplete points out, there's a divide on what's actually crunchyroll is showing apart from a "mature" setting and what crunchyroll is allowing for its users.

What's really being asked here is for crunchyroll to be a bit more honest with its user base and not bash on them for posting something if it's the same thing that crunchyroll is presenting to them.
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Posted 2/11/14 , edited 2/11/14


Working on it.
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Posted 2/12/14

Bjaker wrote:

Working on it.
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First, thanks for finally acknowledging this subject, again, after several of weeks of it being on the board. I know that it's hard to get to everything on here with the load that I perceive you have on this board and the volume that I imagine you get on the "Contact Us" section. I commend you for actually responding on this matter.

Although, not to bag on you or anything, but you said the same thing to me several months ago on this similar subject. I said that I was going to go back on that several months after to see the update because I didn't want to bother you because you do have more important things to tend to like managing actual customer woes, and that's very understandable.

Though, I would think that there's some kind of tangible movement, no matter how minuscule, on this subject to actually show that it's being worked on. I've been patiently waiting for something; even a small hint of some kind change would've suffice- but nothing but crunchyroll getting more ballsy with everything else but its community.

I'm not saying that you're probably not working on it, but it felt like this has been pushed back even further back than the back burner.

I know that I can't do much as a user but to be patient and hope and try to keep you at your word. All I'm saying is some results, after a couple of months, no matter how small, would be nice.
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Thanks Baker
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