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Why do people hate longer anime shows?
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awesomeness2134 wrote:

I guess it's just a matter of preference then


It's a bit deeper than that.

As you well know, longer series have a rather high barrier of entry. It takes me 600 episodes to start discussing the newest episodes of One Piece, and 26 episodes to fully understand Gurren Lagann. Even less absurd cases are difficult. Fist of the North Start is around 150 episodes, and it takes me a long while to get past each story arc. The show is a really good watch, but I started it a month ago and I've set to see Southers defeat. I can't properly talk about it yet, and I'm more than half way into the show!

As previously mentioned, long runners tend to be animated by specific studio's, and will run into a problem with Content creation. It's very easy to make filler for a high viewership show. As it's running off a slow manga, they have time todo that (even if they lack proper writers)
Naruto is most famous for this, instead of stopping the show they spent perhaps 1 or 2 years on filler episodes. That's rather absurd. Even when it started making new episodes, they had to throw filler in there. The studio's that create long runners have it tough, and they're generally milking a specific IP anyways.

But then you take a rather amazing long runner, HunterxHunter. It's only 100 episodes, and i made by Studio Madhouse, who's held in high regard. They tend to stick to the original art style and stop creating a show when they're out of material, AND they continue shows later on down the line. Filler is a no go here, but IT'S STILL DIFFICULT TO WATCH. It's got 100 episodes, it takes longer than a weekend to watch it.

Their are plenty of shows, and I have no problem with long runners myself, having seen the majority of them a while back. But I find it's more worth it to spend time on a 50 episode Gundam series, than a 300 episode Shounen. I've got Fairy Tale as the only long runner I've yet seen.

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That's fine. To each his own. I watch anime mostly for my own enjoyment, and I don't join in weekly episode discussions.
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Personally, I think that to tell ANY story, it doesn't require more than 100 episodes. I am reluctant to watch anything with over 25 episodes, but there are notable series with over 50 episodes that are AMAZING. These shows are amazing because they do one thing, avoid filler. Brotherhood is fantastic because every episode is relevant and you wouldn't get the same experience skipping any episode. Every episode is vital. Then look at the infamous Big Three where you can skip arcs and numerous episodes without missing any plot.

There's also the fact that if you start a long series you're going to be investing an immense amount of time. During that time you could have watched ten other shows, and each of those ten shows could have been better than the long series that writes itself into destruction.

To answer the question: Why do people look down on people that favor these series? The people that are infatuated with a show like Bleach for example, are infatuated because they have not seen good shows. These people are generally close-minded and against watching quality. Of course there are exceptions; however, it's a majority.


There are tons of great stories that if adapted correctly would go far beyond 100 episodes (Lord of the Rings, Song of Fire and Ice etc). I'd think that seeing series like FMA would be more than convincing. In fact, if Brotherhood kept the same pace as the first series which had a much, much better atmosphere instead of a rushed feel, it would have easily gone over 100 episodes without filler. Also, it is the easiest thing in the world to skip filler. All you literally have to do is look up the filler list and simply......not watch them. Piece of cake.

Also, Having seen numerous long and short series with the highest ratings, Bleach is still easily one of the best ones, even with all its faults. It is far more interesting than dozens of shorter series with similar ratings, and provides far more enjoyable content as well. It always seems that hate for longer series comes from those who haven't watched said series, which is a shame.
Plus don't forget that it goes both ways. In fact, I have encountered far more people who are close-minded in sticking with only short series and berating longer ones. It seems to stem mostly from those who are jealous that longer series get more recognition than shorter ones, and after seeing a lot of them, I can honestly say that most of the longer series deserve the praise they get, as many shorter series lack the merits that they have!

A long series may lose it's quality along the way, but the same thing happens to shorter series, and that ends up even far more disappointing (Neon Genesis Evangelion). You are right in saying that you could watch 10 other shows in the same time, but over half of those could be worse & less enjoyable, while watching the long one could be equivalent to watching 8 fantastic series and only 2 bad ones, as I'm sure you know there are just as many, if not more bad short series out there. In fact, most of my list of least favourite series are short ones, while the good in a long series more than makes up for the bad.

In the end, I'd say it's a preference thing, but I've seen far too many people dismiss them out of ignorance, and more often than not, those who are influenced into watching them have them as some of their favourites.

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Depends if you have the time and patience to get through them, especially ones with a lot of fillers that can drag on and, like bleach, are actually incorporated into some of the cannon through minor characters.
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I've stopped watching Detective Conan sometime last year or the year before that.
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Mikey435 wrote:

Personally, I think that to tell ANY story, it doesn't require more than 100 episodes. I am reluctant to watch anything with over 25 episodes, but there are notable series with over 50 episodes that are AMAZING. These shows are amazing because they do one thing, avoid filler. Brotherhood is fantastic because every episode is relevant and you wouldn't get the same experience skipping any episode. Every episode is vital. Then look at the infamous Big Three where you can skip arcs and numerous episodes without missing any plot.

There's also the fact that if you start a long series you're going to be investing an immense amount of time. During that time you could have watched ten other shows, and each of those ten shows could have been better than the long series that writes itself into destruction.

To answer the question: Why do people look down on people that favor these series? The people that are infatuated with a show like Bleach for example, are infatuated because they have not seen good shows. These people are generally close-minded and against watching quality. Of course there are exceptions; however, it's a majority.


There are tons of great stories that if adapted correctly would go far beyond 100 episodes (Lord of the Rings, Song of Fire and Ice etc). I'd think that seeing series like FMA would be more than convincing. In fact, if Brotherhood kept the same pace as the first series which had a much, much better atmosphere instead of a rushed feel, it would have easily gone over 100 episodes without filler. Also, it is the easiest thing in the world to skip filler. All you literally have to do is look up the filler list and simply......not watch them. Piece of cake.

Also, Having seen numerous long and short series with the highest ratings, Bleach is still easily one of the best ones, even with all its faults. It is far more interesting than dozens of shorter series with similar ratings, and provides far more enjoyable content as well. It always seems that hate for longer series comes from those who haven't watched said series, which is a shame.
Plus don't forget that it goes both ways. In fact, I have encountered far more people who are close-minded in sticking with only short series and berating longer ones. It seems to stem mostly from those who are jealous that longer series get more recognition than shorter ones, and after seeing a lot of them, I can honestly say that most of the longer series deserve the praise they get, as many shorter series lack the merits that they have!

A long series may lose it's quality along the way, but the same thing happens to shorter series, and that ends up even far more disappointing (Neon Genesis Evangelion). You are right in saying that you could watch 10 other shows in the same time, but over half of those could be worse & less enjoyable, while watching the long one could be equivalent to watching 8 fantastic series and only 2 bad ones, as I'm sure you know there are just as many, if not more bad short series out there. In fact, most of my list of least favourite series are short ones, while the good in a long series more than makes up for the bad.

In the end, I'd say it's a preference thing, but I've seen far too many people dismiss them out of ignorance, and more often than not, those who are influenced into watching them have them as some of their favourites.



To make myself seem less biased, I'll say that I do read/watch/watched/will watch Naruto and Fairy Tail. I have seen a few series that span a longer amount of time than they need to. I don't mean to say they're terrible things that should never be looked at. I think they're good stepping stones into anime, but I think that's all they're good for.

For the filler argument: you're absolutely correct. You can always skip filler when the entire episode is filler. Sometimes filler can even be good, but sometimes the whole episode isn't a filler episode. However, even if you CAN skip it. Should you really have to pull up a chart while watching a show to tell you which episodes are worthless pieces of trash covered in vomit that aren't worthy of your eyes?

I can concede that there are shows that are worth watching that could easily span over one hundred episodes if adapted. However, I still maintain that the majority of these shows are not worth watching. Yeah you can get some shows that could have been worse, but watching more shows is probably better simply because it's more shows.

Another huge thing is if you're talking about a long show that spans over a hundred episodes. You can probably assume the genre is action, (sadly but surely shounen), or comedy. Like any genre, there's probably people that see that a flag and automatically say it's garbage.

Ultimately, I don't mean to tear apart Bleach when I've never seen it. I don't mean to say that every show that spans over a hundred episodes is automatically unworthy of my eyes, because that's bias when I haven't even see these shows. What I do mean to say is that as a whole, they don't need that long and if you trimmed them down you could do so without losing a single piece of information that's important. I appreciate the entertainment.
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because they're long and have no ending in sight

but hate is a strong word...

for me the only exception is Gintama, because it's not even about reused plots or jokes, the whole thing is (mostly) a joke.
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Pulling up a list of fillers is not hard or bothersome at all. It really only takes less than a minute to pull up a list and write it down, then all you have to do is skip them. I don't see it as any different than looking up the description of a show on wikipedia or such to see if you are interested.

I'd agree that watching more shows is better, but then again, there are even more bad short series, so you have to deal with watching more bad shows too. I don't tend to have many problems with that, as I mostly stick to the highest rated series from multiple sites, and watch a 1 long series alongside a short one. I'm currently watching Gintama and Monster. It's kind of funny that I think of Monster as a short series (74 episodes), but I'm almost done it and it's only taken a week.
The only real disappointments I've had are DBZ and Sword Art Online, but even then, DBZ has more merits than SAO did.

I don't see why being action or comedy genre should signal any flags. Those are the best and most widely accepted genres......but I guess that really is a preference thing
I find Slice of Life & Romance to be absolutely boring in every possible way, and don't like watching mundane things in fiction. Also, the shonen genre is one of the most complete ones out there, providing a variety of different things from fantasy to comedy to heartwarming stuff. Heck, I've found most of the shonen I've seen far more moving than Clannad, Angel Beats & Anohana combined (and far less boring and more meaningful as well).

And just to clarify, there seems to be a notion floating around that shonen is only fights and friendship speeches. That is only because DBZ is seen as a model for it, but like I said, it is literally one of the worst series I've seen, and doesn't define all shonen in everyway (only Fairy Tail was pretty much the same thing). I wouldn't want the notion that all short series are like SAO (Or School Days ) to be floating around out there either.
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Maybe because of filler episodes???

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I quit Naruto after he defeated Pain and there was a undeniably painful amount of fillers after it. Soon after I jumped back in with a second website to help me avoid the fillers and continue to watch. I will agree that fillers are annoying, but seeming as how the anime usually follows the manga, they do need distance between them, which is why I don't fault Bleach for it's few fillers. I can't vouch for One Piece because I've been waiting since I was like....13 for it to end, and here we are, 4 years later. FMA Brotherhood has non stop vital episodes because it follows the manga strictly, so I tend not to count that. FMA didn't follow the manga closely which is why Brotherhood came to be. I honestly haven't watched Detective Conan all that much, but from what I can take from the little I've seen, there isn't really an arc, it's just episode by episode thing, which is alright with me. The Arcs in Fairy Tail honestly aren't drug out and are fairly short, it's gone through a considerable amount of them, only to be at a wopping 175 episodes, which hopefully there will be more Because Fairy Tail is great. the anime for Naruto just needs to stop with the Fillers and start pumping out 2 episodes a week if it hopes to end at a decent time, and still keep it's fans. Bleach ended abruptly, honestly it only had 2 Filler Arcs, and they were only there to space out the show and the manga. The 2nd Filler arc even helps explain why Ichigo loses his powers in a short 3 months, I find no fault there. The short 1 episode fillers here and there weren't too bad, and I'm sure we all enjoy after a long big arc has finally concluded the 2-3 episode fillers to take a break from the seriousness and calm things down a little. I agree, One Piece is out of control, and I don't partake in weekly episode discussions...yet. Catching up is a tedious process and yes you could be watching a lot more shows in that time, but I guess that's just a matter of how fast you can watch a series. I go through 13 episode series in half a day, while I'll spend a whole day to gun down a 25 episode series. When I caught up on Fairy Tail going from episode 49-163, I took 4 days out of my Winter Break, to eat it up, and I'm glad I did. I thoroughly enjoy the show and it's characters. I feel as if longer shows are drug out because of how much we love the characters that they've developed before us and we don't want to see them go. Now shorter shows can attach you just as well, Tengan Toppa Gurenn Lagann and Wolf's Rain didn't an excellent job of this, but I personally would have liked to see those characters for a bit longer. In conclusion, some longer shows are painful but then again so are shorter ones, because you must say goodbye to those characters sooner. I'd say shows between 30-70 episodes do a good job in bridging this gap between anime fans.
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The reason i feel most people do not like long lasting anime-- is because the plot hardly changes. People hardly get effected and if they do it gets brushed off within 10 episodes but nothing ever feels like it is going to happen. Sure, there is that one or two intense fight when two characters ALMOST died. Or sure, there is that one fight when one of the main-background characters died. But end of the day, the content just gets recycled in that way.

Now. .

If there was a long drawn out series, where the main character gets killed or other characters around the main character-- that directly influences the main character, or things of that nature get killed. Then it'll spark my interest quite a bit.

Naruto was like that for a while, when a certain sensei died I felt a bit sad-- but 20 episodes later it lost it's appeal.

Does it make sense to you?

I think if you are gonna draw out an anime and have it long, and very long. I feel main characters need to shift at some point, and it not be about the main protagonist you always follow. Which may be why Dragonball/Z was popular.
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Like as of right now, I am watching Naruto, Inifinte Stratos 2, Durarara, and Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon. One of these being the excruciatingly long Naruto, but the others being short and sweet.
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I do like longer anime shows.But if there is a ridiculous amount of fillers,that consumes time for me.
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I don't hate long running anime series (to each their own), but I have found that I just don't enjoy watching it. For me it is several factors:
1. As other people have pointed out, just the time involved with trying to get caught up on what is happening and who is who. My wife and I have tried watching both One Piece and Fairy Tail. The problem is, we can't binge them and end up losing out place in where we are at in watching the entire series. Since the only streaming service that has a good method of keeping track of where you are in a series is CR, and they do not have all of the episodes, we are left with trying to remember were we are at.
2. As others have said, filler episodes. I can forgive, and enjoy, filler episodes every now and then. But, when you are talking a series with hundreds of episodes, you find yourself skipping ahead to see if anything important to the story is happening.
3. I do like stories to have a beginning, middle, and end. This is one of the reasons I've been watching more anime lately. After a certain point, I've skipped ahead to the end of some series, just to see how they end.
4. With series that have been running an extremely long time, after a certain point the episodes and story arcs seem to get repetitive.
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I like long running shows personally, the fillers I always skip so they don't mean anything to me.
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