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Why do they love/like or dislike/hate your favorite or least favorite?
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Posted 12/14/13

Kelthos wrote:

That thread does appear to have lot of the "other" end though. One post is "Yuri is wonderful, go home you're drunk.". Person is intoxicated for not liking something. Is a pretty good example of my first couple lines.

Having encountered his posts in many threads over time, he seems to be one of those "My opinion is correct, yours is not" types.

It was a matter of timing that I had mentioned it. (Read that thread a short time before coming here and reading AK's message).

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A good debate ends with both parties enlightened on the opinion of the other while still supporting their original opinion. Debates are too confined a scenario to expect anyone to change their opinion on something - that's something they should do on their own time, when they sit down and really think about what they've absorbed. I think the second scenario here is pretty much the ideal result.

As for me, I will never understand the appeal of anime with a single, super-powerful protagonist. I can't invest that much time into one character, especially when there are other (often more interesting) characters around being completely ignored by the writer(s). This sort of anime always makes me feel like I'm watching the antics of a Mary Sue, and I often end up rooting for the villain.

On the other side of the coin, I don't understand how people could not enjoy anime with intricate plots and heavy character development. Drama is my genre of choice, followed closely by mystery and romance. I don't see how people can prefer watching a physical fight over a verbal one, or be bored by heavily emotional scenes.


I completely agree with all of this except for the part about always choosing a verbal fight over a physical one. For me, in that scenario, it just depends on which fight in which show. Some physical fight scenes are beautifully animated and extremely well-done. Sometimes, albeit rarely, I've found a fight scene where the characters use props and a variety of attacks to try and overcome the opponent, and in short, it looks really damn cool. On the other side, emotionally-fueled verbal battles stimulate the brain, and make you view what's happening in a very objective, smart manner.
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Posted 12/14/13

Bavalt wrote:

A good debate ends with both parties enlightened on the opinion of the other while still supporting their original opinion. Debates are too confined a scenario to expect anyone to change their opinion on something - that's something they should do on their own time, when they sit down and really think about what they've absorbed. I think the second scenario here is pretty much the ideal result.

As for me, I will never understand the appeal of anime with a single, super-powerful protagonist. I can't invest that much time into one character, especially when there are other (often more interesting) characters around being completely ignored by the writer(s). This sort of anime always makes me feel like I'm watching the antics of a Mary Sue, and I often end up rooting for the villain.

On the other side of the coin, I don't understand how people could not enjoy anime with intricate plots and heavy character development. Drama is my genre of choice, followed closely by mystery and romance. I don't see how people can prefer watching a physical fight over a verbal one, or be bored by heavily emotional scenes.



The great thing about some anime shows is that you can always choose the other characters over the main one. There will always be a character better suited for the role of main character. Personally, I think Mary Sues and Gary Stus are still flawed yet since they're the main character(some of them) they mustn't reveal their flaws because they're the "ideal" character in the series.

The first and third one are too nerve wrecking for me since I'm not into debates. I don't mind going about it but still dislike that rush you get from it.

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Posted 12/14/13

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Kelthos wrote:

That thread does appear to have lot of the "other" end though. One post is "Yuri is wonderful, go home you're drunk.". Person is intoxicated for not liking something. Is a pretty good example of my first couple lines.

Having encountered his posts in many threads over time, he seems to be one of those "My opinion is correct, yours is not" types.

It was a matter of timing that I had mentioned it. (Read that thread a short time before coming here and reading AK's message).



After reading through more of that, I can definitely agree. Appears to be a very close minded yet outspoken individual, but that seems to be what "haters" are these days. People who won't be swayed from what they believe and are chomping at the bit to let everyone know what it is that they believe.

Definitely agree with Bavalt. The second example does not happen enough these days and it seems more people are comfortable with fighting (verbally) rather than just discussing it.
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i strongly dislike highschool of the dead because it doesn't have much of a plot and it's just boobs and butts. But it was my fault for not checking the reviews/genres of the anime before watching it... all I knew was "zombies" and that was all I needed. Learned from my mistake.

I like Attack on Titan, it was new to me and had a lot of thrill. Kept me on the edge of my seat every week.

There are others of course , but in the end we just need to respect each other... I mean I really think incest and stuff like that is wrong and I don't think people should be into that, but hating on others isn't going to do anyone any good. Besides, it's the internet, you're not forced to talk to anyone who doesn't like the same things you do.

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I've done that too. I'll watch an anime series far past episode one. Eventually I'll stop but go back days to years later just to finish it completely(I'm strange like that). 12 episodes in an anime is a bit hard for me to enjoy since I want more especially if its 5 to 10 minutes long. I do give it chance regardless. I've watched anime series that would make people say "who the hell would sit and watch this?" from beginning to end. I'll try any genre too.




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I don't understand that first one really. I don't understand how people can not like Shingeki no Kyojin. I am not going to go and say it is bad ass, I think it is cool with the high flying action and what not, but that is not where its real charm lies. It's real charm lies with the writing and the personalities of the characters.

Armin is probably the most blatant example. He starts off as a pussy, but he quickly becomes probably the most useful character in the series.


Furthermore, in the Manga especially, Mikasa shows just how ruthless she can be. Levi exhibits some of the most practicality I have ever seen from a character. Erwin and Pixis are the friggin best commanders I have ever seen, willing to risk their own throats to get things done. Then you have the mystery and the political conspiracy. Granted it is pretty blatant and not a subtle undertone like some other series have, but it is still very engaging, which is what makes it fun.

Despite at its basis being a Giant Zombie Movie, this series gets you thinking. What would I have done in that situation? Was there another way out? Were the clues all there? And actually they were, a lot of the plot points come full circle. Isayama uses some very clever foreshadowing. The series isn't good because there are giant fights and cool flying sword fights, it is good because the manga artist knows how to write a good story which engages every element of the environment into the plot, every character has serves some significant purpose. Honestly, the only other mangas/animes I have read/watched which keep their plot elements coordinated so well, are Fullmetal Alchemist, Death Note, and Bakuman.

As far as the other side goes. I don't understand how so many people can like Naruto as much as they do. Naruto is a hit or miss with it's subject matter. It has some great arcs, like the Pain arc, or when Sasuke fights Danzo. But those are few and far between, there are very few arcs which make you spark, oh that was clever! Nice writing! Most of it is your typical shonen stuff about family and friendship, just with a lot of stalling in between. Seriously I try to like Naruto, but for every clever and intense Pain Arc it gives me, it gives me 10 boring typical power up arcs. Bleach was even worse with that. Do people really love repetition that much?

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I came back because I did also want to comment about Sword Art Online. I actually can see why people like that series. I actually try to enjoy it too. It is about popular subject matter, MMO's, Action, and Romance. The only issue with it is, it is extremely unrefined. If I were to put this into a food metaphor, it is like a combination of sugar, fat, and salt. 3 things that taste good, but none of which are good for you. The show is an upfront show about MMO's, Romance, and Action. There is no subtlety, there is no creative writing. It is the wet dream of a 14 year old stuffed into 26 20 minute episodes. It makes use of 2 characters, and one of them extensively. Every other character serves as simply a contrast to the awesomeness of these two characters, to build their characters up. People like it because it is the McDonald's of anime, and I can understand that, but it is not good for you. Go watch .hack , or Log Horizon. They are much more decent shows. Hell go watch, Oregairu or Haganai if a harem anime is what you are looking for, those are suprisingly well written for their subject matter.
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the reason I don't like it is BECAUSE there's a lack of character and story. the only characters who get ANY backstory or development at all are Armin, Mikasa, Eren, and Annie. out of all of them, the only one that goes through any growth is Armin. Eren stays the same typical shonen protagonist throughout. Mikasa stays a robot, and Annie stays a hardass. every other character is put in a nice tiny labeled box, and they stay there until they die. which happens to a lot of them. throughout 25 episodes, the story drags. there was ALMOST NO advancement in the plot. in 25 EPISODES. that is ridiculous.
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Not saying that your opinion isn't valid or anything (I don't even know what anime you're talking about) - but I don't think this thread was made for people to point out the flaws of individual anime.
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aidenraine wrote:

the reason I don't like it is BECAUSE there's a lack of character and story. the only characters who get ANY backstory or development at all are Armin, Mikasa, Eren, and Annie. out of all of them, the only one that goes through any growth is Armin. Eren stays the same typical shonen protagonist throughout. Mikasa stays a robot, and Annie stays a hardass. every other character is put in a nice tiny labeled box, and they stay there until they die. which happens to a lot of them. throughout 25 episodes, the story drags. there was ALMOST NO advancement in the plot. in 25 EPISODES. that is ridiculous.


Eren does grow. He grows in a bit of an atypical manner actually. He begins to learn that he cannot simply rely on others, and needs to becomes self sufficient. Mikasa's growth was an intersting matter, she started to grow when she thought Eren was dead, but it turned out she was wrong, so she reverted. I think she will probably experience some growth in the manga soon, which would probably be around episode 40 in anime terms. Keeping Annie a bit of a mystery is a necessity, her back story is strongly tied to the titans, if we were let in on too much, there would be no more pull to want to find out more.

You are forgetting about Jean - he grew up, he used to be a look out for number one type of guy, he forced himself to join the expedition force, he risked his life for Armin. Reyner and Burnthild or whatever his name is, the reason they didn't have much development is because the part the anime covers foreshadows events to come. Connie, Ymir, Christa, and Sasha have huge roles to play in what would be probably episodes 27-39 in anime terms.

Levi is a complicated character, on one hand he is a super badass. On the other hand he doesn't know himself what to do.


The show is moving along at a much faster pace than One Piece or Hunter x Hunter. Look at how much advancement in the plot has happened during those shows, and One Piece has about 15 times as many chapters and 30 times as many episodes out as Shingeki no Kyojin.
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Posted 12/14/13

Kelthos wrote:

Not saying that your opinion isn't valid or anything (I don't even know what anime you're talking about) - but I don't think this thread was made for people to point out the flaws of individual anime.



In general. I'm talking about anime in general.
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Me: Have you watch the new Kuroko Basketball

Friend: Yeah! it was awesome, hot guys everywhere!

Me: Whoa now, anyways that Shokuto match was awesome right?

Friend: Yeah, but seeing Kuroko is the cutest thing EVER!!

Me:"Facepalm"

given the fact that 2/3 of the people I tried to have a conversation with was girls, that doesn't excuse the fact that I can't get a decent conversation going about Kuroko Basketball with some Yaoi entering the mix.
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Posted 12/14/13

qualeshia3 wrote:


Kelthos wrote:

Not saying that your opinion isn't valid or anything (I don't even know what anime you're talking about) - but I don't think this thread was made for people to point out the flaws of individual anime.



In general. I'm talking about anime in general.


Yeah, thats what I thought. I was referring to Aidenrayne - don't want your thread to turn into a flamefest is all ^^;
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I should have mention it properly. Thank you though.
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Ajcool33 wrote:

Me: Have you watch the new Kuroko Basketball

Friend: Yeah! it was awesome, hot guys everywhere!

Me: Whoa now, anyways that Shokuto match was awesome right?

Friend: Yeah, but seeing Kuroko is the cutest thing EVER!!

Me:"Facepalm"

given the fact that 2/3 of the people I tried to have a conversation with was girls, that doesn't excuse the fact that I can't get a decent conversation going about Kuroko Basketball with some Yaoi entering the mix.



*slow claps* You sir are correct. Luckily there are girls who aren't like that/agree with you.
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