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Wizard Barristers: Benmashi Cecil Anticipation & Discussions
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Posted 1/12/14 , edited 1/12/14

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Not only that my friend!

Ameyokocho is PERFECT! Made me miss Tokyo so much!

Yes, Ueno Park and his museum are also perfectly brought to life!

Same as Senso-ji, Tokyo Treek and Ueme Canal!

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam i miss Tokyo T____T
I know, me too! I need to go back If my flickr was organized better I'd post some more similar scenes...

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Loved the first episode definitely going on my surprisingly ever growing list of anime to watch this season. I still have my eye on "The Pilots Love Song" for being anime of the season BUT if anything this will probably be the most well animated anime of the season for sure.


Do you need to watch the previous series to understand this "The Pilots Love Song"?

Is the first episode good?

TY!
OT but no, you don't need to watch anything else to understand "Love song to a certain Airman". Just watch it! What is with asking people? Watch it yourself! I think you'll like it but only you really know
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If your main magical talent is being a summoner, expecting her to fight the muggers without it is rather dumb... assuming she is mostly a summoner. On the other hand, if your intention is to scare off said muggers then a cute, skinny, teenage girl in a miniskirt isn't very threatening, so conjuring a huge mecha-thing is the best choice.


From what I'm seeing, there is a definite prejudice against magic users (at least by the police). Consider it to be something similar to driving while black in a very racist town in the USA. The first assumption by the police on the scene is that the minority is guilty.
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Posted 1/12/14 , edited 1/12/14

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kitsuneshoujo wrote:

If your main magical talent is being a summoner, expecting her to fight the muggers without it is rather dumb... assuming she is mostly a summoner. On the other hand, if your intention is to scare off said muggers then a cute, skinny, teenage girl in a miniskirt isn't very threatening, so conjuring a huge mecha-thing is the best choice.


From what I'm seeing, there is a definite prejudice against magic users (at least by the police). Consider it to be something similar to driving while black in a very racist town in the USA. The first assumption by the police on the scene is that the minority is guilty.


Indeed. In this universe it seems like being a mage isn't all it's cracked up to be as a result of prejudice. People aren't in awe of them like a lot of other shows, they are scared of them.

Obviously as the viewer we have enough insight to be able to go, "well she was just defending herself, didn't do anything wrong," but the people in this world don't seem to care too much for Wizards.

Interested to see what direction this show takes because of that.
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FalseDetective wrote:

Loved the first episode definitely going on my surprisingly ever growing list of anime to watch this season. I still have my eye on "The Pilots Love Song" for being anime of the season BUT if anything this will probably be the most well animated anime of the season for sure.


Do you need to watch the previous series to understand this "The Pilots Love Song"?

Is the first episode good?

TY!


lol no, i wasn't really comparing them in that way, just saying that every season seems to have it's break out anime. Like last season (the fall season) kill la kill was probably the most popular anime. Not saying it was the best, just the most talked about out of all the anime that came out during that time.

"The Pilots Love Song" is nothing like this anime. They are completely different. I'm just saying for me personally. "The Pilots Love Song" may turn out to be my fav anime of this Winter Anime season but on the other hand I can't deny that this has been the best animated anime of the season so far.
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Hi guys! I rather liked this first episode. In terms of favorite, I too put it on par with "the Pilot's Love Song". Definitely not comparable though.

I did a first episode review for my opinions, here is a copy/paste of it.


It is rare I give judgement on a show before I have watched the completed series, but this one I think shows promise for those into the of magica. This show definitely seems focused towards the mature audience. Those who watch with young family members, I would screen it first for sure.

To start with, this gives the show based around an idea, and more than trying to fit a genre. Here is what I mean:

1. The show opens with very smooth, high detailed and quality animation that keeps throughout this first episode

2. It is a magica show, but right from the beginning, it is quite apparent that the creators made their own style instead of just following what already exists. It gives the feel of something that is a part of the person as apposed to an accessory. When you see the magic scenes, it is very apparent.

3. Characters. The main focus is clearly centered around the beautiful women. If I was to summarize, almost makes me think of a more traditional magical girl team if they got older and became professional lawyers.

4. Fan service, but keep reading to what I mean! Usually, I dislike fanservice/pretty girls show. I find them tasteless and a cheesy way of getting fans via un-natural human proportions. This show has the fan service, but so far, the fan service still keeps itself reserved. There was one moment that had some more played fan-service scene, but it was done in part to form a character.

This is why a 4 out of 5 for this review. I see signs of being cheesy and not quite my style, but remove these points, and it is so far seeming to be the high quality show for this season's releases.

If I was to choose a show that I feel it best compares to, I would have to go with Ghost in the Shell: SAC with more of a female focus.
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Vaporisor wrote:

If I was to choose a show that I feel it best compares to, I would have to go with Ghost in the Shell: SAC with more of a female focus.


I noticed this style as well relating to GITS. It has a less dark feeling so far though and doesn't use any technology too advanced yet. As for the girls themselves, I sure hope they give them each their own spotlight rather than just the main character. I'm going to assume they will develop Hotaru and Cecil's relationship the most as they're not exactly the best of friends for now. Also regarding the fan service, I was surprised too. ARMS is adapting this though so there might be some later on.

Now for a fun gif:
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Also regarding the fan service, I was surprised too. ARMS is adapting this though so there might be some later on.

Now for a fun gif:


That gif

Anyways, I fully expect there to be more fan service. What i was trying to explain is how they style it. Yup, it's there, but it isn't the terrible bad that 95% of fan service is. I guess it can be described as things acting "natural" .

Trying to think of a comparision to other show fan service, I was almost thinking of it being on tangent with what was seen in Inuyasha, but for an older, and more (im?)mature audience?
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stark700 wrote:

Also regarding the fan service, I was surprised too. ARMS is adapting this though so there might be some later on.

Now for a fun gif:


That gif

Anyways, I fully expect there to be more fan service. What i was trying to explain is how they style it. Yup, it's there, but it isn't the terrible bad that 95% of fan service is. I guess it can be described as things acting "natural" .

Trying to think of a comparision to other show fan service, I was almost thinking of it being on tangent with what was seen in Inuyasha, but for an older, and more (im?)mature audience?


Yozakura Quartet?
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Yozakura Quartet?


Haven't seen that show. It compares decently?

Well, for inuyasha, the comparison is Miroku's groping, or an inside joke my bro and I have, Kagome's magical skirt of temptation.
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I think I hate this show, it's one of those things that actually builds me enough rage that I have to vent.

First of all, all the prejudice against the wizards in that world is ENTIRELY justified, and I can't think of a not morally bankrupt reason to take the case on from the intro... so already I'm not liking Butterfly.

Then, just when it might be okay, they make the point of including a pov character that should be (and from the little pieces you see, is) rightfully outraged at the preferential treatment the 'pretty magical superstar' gets. It's worse because NOBODY EVEN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY WERE ALL BEING TERRIBLE.

And then, of course, of course the progatonist doesn't learn her lesson, she's too busy being special and receiving special treatment.

It's certainly a pretty show, but goddamn.
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First of all, all the prejudice against the wizards in that world is ENTIRELY justified, and I can't think of a not morally bankrupt reason to take the case on from the intro... so already I'm not liking Butterfly.



The thing is, even in the real world, everyone is entitled to legal representation when facing criminal charges.And, there is a very good reason for this. The prosecutor/district attorney's job is not to seek justice (or even necessarily truth). Their job is to get a conviction for the crime. And, since the prosecutor/district attorney is a lawyer, you want that for the defendant. Go and talk with someone who has worked a public defender (in some jurisdictions, this is assigned to a random pool of attorneys who don't work for the government). You will find out that they don't always (if ever) believe their clients are innocent. But, they will protect their rights (remember, it is innocent until convicted in a court of law) and do their best to defend them.

Take a look at the case she picked up on the way to work. The guy stopped one of the bank robbers. And, it turned out he was protecting another person and himself. But, because he is a magic user, the bank manager tried to prevent this fact from coming to light. Without his attorney going in there like she did (talking with the witnesses) it wouldn't have happened.

I won't even go into your believing discrimination against a minority is justified by the criminal actions of a few members.
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has potential, hoping it's more action oriented than law and order.
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windsagio wrote:

First of all, all the prejudice against the wizards in that world is ENTIRELY justified, and I can't think of a not morally bankrupt reason to take the case on from the intro... so already I'm not liking Butterfly.



The thing is, even in the real world, everyone is entitled to legal representation when facing criminal charges.And, there is a very good reason for this. The prosecutor/district attorney's job is not to seek justice (or even necessarily truth). Their job is to get a conviction for the crime. And, since the prosecutor/district attorney is a lawyer, you want that for the defendant. Go and talk with someone who has worked a public defender (in some jurisdictions, this is assigned to a random pool of attorneys who don't work for the government). You will find out that they don't always (if ever) believe their clients are innocent. But, they will protect their rights (remember, it is innocent until convicted in a court of law) and do their best to defend them.

Take a look at the case she picked up on the way to work. The guy stopped one of the bank robbers. And, it turned out he was protecting another person and himself. But, because he is a magic user, the bank manager tried to prevent this fact from coming to light. Without his attorney going in there like she did (talking with the witnesses) it wouldn't have happened.

I won't even go into your believing discrimination against a minority is justified by the criminal actions of a few members.


I actually have a relevant story to your first point, kind of... About 15 years back I actually was falsely accused of a (admittedly minor) crime.

The first thing my Lawyer said was that he didn't really want to hear anything about me personally. The last thing he said (many months later) is that it was refreshing to have a client that was actually innocent for once.

Still, in the first case, why make it so egregious? I presume it was to make the point that Butterfly will defend *anybody* (and in fact that's explicitly referenced at the end of the case), but the presentation is 'off' to me. They didn't have to start the show off with a throwaway mass-murder.

You know what you never see, anywhere in the first episode? Magic used for something other than destruction.
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Well first off the flame-using criminal was to set the tone for the setting. If you kill using magic, you will probly get sentenced to death. If you use magic at all you get picked up by the police and sent to magic court.

Also that bank manager would probably get in trouble for obstruction of justice if he's found out.

I'm pretty sure there have been anime where magic has been used for something other than destruction, but I can't think of anything right now.
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windsagio wrote:

You know what you never see, anywhere in the first episode? Magic used for something other than destruction.


Agree on your edited out statement that the flame user did seem a bit extreme. But still, what caused it, who was he, these are questions still important to the defense of somebody.

The next question is can magic be used for anything else? I did a story where it couldn't because the core of the magic is energy channeling. Cannot cure a wound with a bolt of lightning. Use fields to manipulate, but not going to do anything friendly. That is the type of magic this presents. Just a natural energy. There is signs of symbology or focuses, which disrupts this idea, but maybe those will be explained.
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