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What Do You Think Anime Can Do To Reach Primetime?
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Posted 12/22/13 , edited 12/22/13
I posted another question a few days ago about whether we were living in the most creative era of Anime, and got a nice divergent stream of intelligent debate. Some say we are in a golden age, others think it's past, others think it's yet to come.

But, one person "ArtyD42" made a statement I thought was pretty good: "Anime will be in its Golden Age when it appears regularly on the Primetime of main television networks.". For America, that would be places like CBS, FOX, ABC, NBC, etc...

What do you think anime creators can do, as a whole, to make something like that happen? Adult themed cartoons such as The Simpsons, Family Guy, and American Dad already enjoy this success Sundays on Fox. I know for a fact, that at least 40 percent of the stories told in Anime are far better than those shows. Comedic, dramatic, romantic and otherwise.

What steps do you think can be taken to put anime in that position to show up at 8:00pm on a Thursday on NBC on a regular basis?


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Posted 12/22/13 , edited 12/22/13
tbh, I don't want anime to be primetime.

Of course the idea of primetime has changed. I do not believe many users are eager to sit and wait for x show to air at y time. Too much visual entertainment is controlled to our schedule.

With IP Tv, Tivo there really is no Primetime by my books.
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Step one: Dumb it down through the floor. AKA Throw out involved storylines, plots, and anything involving thought

Step two: Bigger Boobs

Step three: Anything that did require thought, turn that to sex and toilet jokes

Step four: Bring gobs of cocaine to the network buyer meeting

Step five: Make sure that if it has anything offensive in it, it is only offensive to white Christian heterosexual males because everyone else will complain about it and those guys stopped caring years ago


In all seriousness, I don't think you'd want to see the "American Prime Time Anime" because the very concept defeats the purpose. When you take a program from another country and retool it for the American audience, while similar to its source material, it is no longer what it was. There have been, and as you mentioned, still are Animated programs in American Prime Time, but they are all distorted/exaggerated characters. There's something about the nature of the American psyche that rejects "realistic" animation. The CGI stuff has proved that, in case you hadn't noticed the CGI animation movies were trying to go realistic and they failed, but "stylized" characters were a huge success. So until that psyche is changed the only way "Anime" will go Primetime is to Super Deform it.
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Posted 12/22/13
Anime being primetime would be terrible.
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I think you guys are being too pessimistic. Do you actually watch American television? Because there are lots of intelligent, dramatic shows on, that don't fit this mold of being dumbed and boobed down to the lowest common denominator. Scandal, The Black List, Sons of Anarchy, The Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Law & Order: SVU, House, etc...

BB and House are done, but still, there are lots of good TV shows out there. Some are so good, that if you turned them into anime, they'd fit right along side of some of the best animes available. And this is from someone who walked away from TV years ago because it was so awful. Breaking Bad and Dexter brought me back. And let's remember, I'm not only talking about America, I mean the Primetime across the world. Not to mention, there's only so many primetime slots, so even if some anime was dumbed down to make it there, there would still be plenty of anime to watch that wasn't dumbed down.

I mean, come on, it's not like there isn't oversexualized, silly, offensive and dumb anime by the boatloads already.

But for the sake of argument, let's just take something like Death Note, Samurai X or Code Geass. As is, how do you think anime creators could move to get animes of this caliber to the primetime slots?
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You're presenting the exceptions to the rule, and you do realize that almost all of those are cable programming and therefore not true "Primetime" shows. While the major networks have done their best to demolish it by buyouts and acquisitions there is still some "niche" programming that makes it onto cable networks.

For "official" primetime you're talking ABC, CBS, FOX*, and NBC between 8 and 11 PM. Yes, there's other small networks out there and the cable guys are taking swaths out of it but the Neilsens still block those out as the Primetime viewing block.

Now if you're asking if there's anime that could make it into cable on that time frame, sure that's viable, but for the mainstream my previous post holds true.

*FOX Network, not News
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Posted 12/22/13

Shishiosa wrote:

You're presenting the exceptions to the rule, and you do realize that almost all of those are cable programming and therefore not true "Primetime" shows. While the major networks have done their best to demolish it by buyouts and acquisitions there is still some "niche" programming that makes it onto cable networks.

For "official" primetime you're talking ABC, CBS, FOX*, and NBC between 8 and 11 PM. Yes, there's other small networks out there and the cable guys are taking swaths out of it but the Neilsens still block those out as the Primetime viewing block.

Now if you're asking if there's anime that could make it into cable on that time frame, sure that's viable, but for the mainstream my previous post holds true.

*FOX Network, not News


True points. But, I think the main point of my question is being missed. I suppose I should phrase it as "What can animators do to make Anime popular enough to where networks would want it for their flagship or primetime shows?". How can anime become the next "Breaking Bad", "Game of Thrones", or "Walking Dead" as far as television popularity.
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Posted 12/22/13 , edited 12/22/13
You reveal it in your post, live action it. It won't be "anime" anymore, but the story will get told. I personally think that a live action Cowboy Bebop series, if timed right, could explode here...oh wait, we had Firefly and that disappeared.


Sleepy Hollow seems like something that could have come out of an anime, and it's succeeding so far...Grimm too, so maybe there is hope.
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If someone like Kanye or Bieber starts watching it, I'm half joking and half serious about that. It seems celebrities have the power to make almost anything popular. So if those organizations that research trends among people pick up on that change then maybe it will happen. Although I feel like it would end up only being dubbed anime, and some shows would be either heavily edited or not shown at all. Honestly I wouldn't want this to happen as I feel people would start trying to create more anime that fits "mainstream American taste" if that makes sense.
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If anime did become bigger in the states, Which anime would you personally like to see? most likely shows that have a dubbed version.
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Posted 12/22/13

ChinaCat89 wrote:

If someone like Kanye or Bieber starts watching it, I'm half joking and half serious about that. It seems celebrities have the power to make almost anything popular.


The "sheeple" effect, Facebook proves that works everyday.
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Posted 12/22/13 , edited 12/22/13
Toonami is doing a GREAT job for anime watchers. But most of there show come from Funimation or Aniplex. And to have a show like bebop run for so long proves that if a anime based in america but with authentic anime details retain you might have a wonderful show. And depends on what genre it would be in ex. harem,shonen,shoujo.
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It's just not really feasible, is it? Thinking about it, many people would instantly dismiss it just because it's animated, right? Then, even those who haven't dismissed it, who watch e.g., Family Guy or whatever, simply wouldn't get it. It's from a completely different culture so it just wouldn't make sense to them.
I'd say there're two ways: it first needs to become more popular in general, to the point where a majority of viewers have seen some anime before. In that case it could be possible because there'd be enough of an understanding - people would get it. Otherwise, it'd have to be an anime which is based off American culture (or whatever country you like) instead of Japanese, which of course, defeats the purpose because that's not really anime, is it?
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Posted 12/22/13 , edited 12/22/13
Well, in terms of the spirit of primetime, the first thing is that anime would need to look beyond emulation and sticking to genres that are having problem with being Cliched.

Secondly, there would need to be technology to get a quality worthy of primetime, we are almost there, but not quite. The biggest problem with anime that could be of primetime ratings and quality is that it would cost more than it would probably earn. At current productions, would hate to know the cost of each.

Quite frankly, we are almost there for popularity. I am betting AoT quality show could grab enough fanbase to capture a good section of that primetime network slot. The only drawback of course is that many animes of that quality currently are only a couple seasons which makes them a risky venture to upset or allot that prime zone.
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Posted 12/22/13
Better dubs x 1000. Anime will never, ever, reach prime time with the quality of voice work that goes into it in the west.

For anything that's set in a contemporary world, they would need a more western setting, and fewer Japanese references. However that would make them lose most of their flavor as anime. It's almost such a thing as anime production companies would have to have branches in different countries that created the same quality product, but one that's tailor made for a non Japanese audience.

So really. I don't think it's very feasible.
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