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Are child abuse laws too strict?
Posted 12/25/13

BluTrev wrote:


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physical pain is a teacher. this teacher exist in the world.

to say that we can talk to children and they'll learn is like standing on the highway telling people they need to slow down. children's minds switch fast to different subjects. the pain is a method for them to focus on the situation then you can talk to them.

like DuppyConqueror I was beat with belts, switches and I turned out fine as well.
I got hit by cars tons of times when I was a kid, and I turned out fine. Guess I better hit my kid with a car.


You really can't handle another perspective without blowing it out of proportion and adding sarcasm. This almost feels like a troll post, since you obviously can't take another opinion seriously.


If people didn't have such stupid opinions about what is okay to do to a child then they wouldn't respond that way. Just because you were beat with switches and turned out 'fine' (doubtful) doesn't mean it's actually okay to hit a child with such things. Besides, a few other users have made the other point, but clearly they're living in a 'drama' as stated by DuppyConqueror. (Who this guy 'agrees' with)

I feel Dumpling has every right to reply in such a way, especially after the multiple studies that have been done pertaining to child rearing and how hitting them actually isn't a wise choice. (Even if the attitude is immature.) And beating children with belts and switches is most definitely not in any way 'okay' to do to a child.
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Posted 12/25/13

Charizam wrote:


BluTrev wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:


jetah wrote:

physical pain is a teacher. this teacher exist in the world.

to say that we can talk to children and they'll learn is like standing on the highway telling people they need to slow down. children's minds switch fast to different subjects. the pain is a method for them to focus on the situation then you can talk to them.

like DuppyConqueror I was beat with belts, switches and I turned out fine as well.
I got hit by cars tons of times when I was a kid, and I turned out fine. Guess I better hit my kid with a car.


You really can't handle another perspective without blowing it out of proportion and adding sarcasm. This almost feels like a troll post, since you obviously can't take another opinion seriously.


If people didn't have such stupid opinions about what is okay to do to a child then they wouldn't respond that way. Just because you were beat with switches and turned out 'fine' (doubtful) doesn't mean it's actually okay to hit a child with such things. Besides, a few other users have made the other point, but clearly they're living in a 'drama' as stated by DuppyConqueror. (Who this guy 'agrees' with)

I feel Dumpling has every right to reply in such a way, especially after the multiple studies that have been done pertaining to child rearing and how hitting them actually isn't a wise choice. (Even if the attitude is immature.) And beating children with belts and switches is most definitely not in any way 'okay' to do to a child.


Why start a topic about preventing all forms of "child abuse" if you think any other opinion is stupid?
Posted 12/25/13


(1) the topic isn't about stopping child abuse, it's about whether the laws surrounding child abuse are too strict.

(2) They apparently seem to like to hear different opinions. Even the ones they think are stupid. Maybe they didn't expect these, or maybe they just wanted a laugh. Doesn't matter really.
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Posted 12/25/13

BluTrev wrote:
You really can't handle another perspective without blowing it out of proportion and adding sarcasm. This almost feels like a troll post, since you obviously can't take another opinion seriously.

The idea is that just because you were fine beaten as a child, it doesn't mean everyone will be fine beaten as a child. Your comment has nothing to do with the topic, rather it perfectly fits the category of spam. I'm fine with people's perspectives, what I'm not fine with is people not answering the topic at hand as stated in the bold red which you so conveniently missed, so I poke fun at them.
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Posted 12/25/13 , edited 12/25/13
I think that the laws themselves are fine. As long as you don't leave a bruise or some scratches, that's alright in my opinion.

When I was younger (Around 5-6), if I ever did something bad, I would always get a smack on the butt. That was my family's way. After a few years, I matured and now I'm a normal person.

Though these days the way that people punish their kids, is by taking away their phones or laptops...
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Posted 12/26/13 , edited 12/26/13


Well all i'm gonna say in regards to this, if it keeps the child from stealing and understanding that stealing is bad an they will never do it again then that can be a good thing because as they mature and age they may actually realize if they steal as an adult there could be worse punishment then just getting your hands bloody. There will be jail time possibly, and those people in jail aren't all nice people and will probably beat them up and do other bad things to them that I don't want to mention on CR.
Our laws are strict compared to other countries, people are lucky to live here either way although I can say extensively beating a child would not be a good thing. There is a limit that's to far. If i have children in the future I might smack them if they did something extremely bad but i'd never bloody them, that would destroy me mentally. Then after that i'd sit down and have a talk with them why they did what they did and why it was wrong.
Just be lucky to live in America they get away with things in other countries that you wouldn't believe, and that you wish you never seen or heard. Again I will not give info on what I know or where to find those terrible things because its something you don't want to know or see and once you do, you can't get it out of your mind, it burns itself in and embeds and you will wish the amnesia fairy would come and take it away.

and as Edit, usually now days as people said before, taking away their kids phones, or electronics like gaming systems or computers are good forms of punishment.
And a bit like I said before, I might spank my kids if I have any in the future but i'd never take it to far. I mean that's gotta be the worst thing a parent to have to spank your kids (as a good parent anyways)
Some people are just crazy and their kids really don't deserve it. I don't see how people can abuse innocent children
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Posted 12/26/13
There are two important questions to ask.

The first is "do the laws we have in place allow child abuse to happen?" That's yes. The answer to that is unquestionably yes. There's a good amount of anecdotal evidence on both sides, but the anecdotes from people who claim to have been unaffected are irrelevant because they cannot negate the anecdotes from those who have suffered abuse. Further, psychological studies tend to come down pretty hard in saying it causes long-term damage in just about every conceivable way.

The second question is "is it effective?" Well, there are the anecdotes that claim it does. But the psychological studies say it doesn't have any affect on the behavior that's being punished.

Personally, I don't see what the difference is between saying, "spank your kids; it works," and "smack your spouse; it works."

There's actually a whitehouse.gov petition just up about this: http://wh.gov/l98ZV.
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Posted 12/26/13
I can not add much to this topic because I lack the knowledge of concern, due to the fact that child abuse laws have to vary from country to country...which makes it difficult to answer in a proper way..

so...all I can add is this:

I was not 'raised' by parents, but by Elders, neither was I beaten, scorned or unduly harmed in any way...my fighting spirit was born within me
and it was nurtured by my Elders...

I was told this "You canna kick a dog, and make it love you..." I think that is true..

I love children but plan to never give birth, never a daughter...the buck stops here..but,

I hate the child beaters and abusers!! And the sexual abusers should follow the advice of the Christos...just hang a millstone around thou
neck and drown yourself in the sea..

Posted 12/26/13
I don't believe in using physical violence to discipline people... or to resolve any issue.


Violence only leads to more violence. But it is the nature of some people.
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Posted 12/26/13
Honestly, the law won't matter in most households. Children tend to hide it, because they'll have no parents and be forced to live in (a shitty) care center or something similar. Also, some are scared. Although there are those who think it's a natural occurrence, and some who love their parents unconditionally.

I don't know about you guys, but (some, not all) Asians do discipline their children through physical means. However, as a psychology major, I have come to understand more clearly that it can have very negative effects on children. It ruins the relationship between parent and child. It's better to discipline them by taking away something they like (for example, no internet). Personally speaking, if a child grows up in a family that exhibits violent physical abuse, when the child becomes a parent, he/she tends to have similar parenting style.

I personally don't think the law would stop most parents, but I do believe there is a fine line between discipline and abuse.
Posted 12/26/13 , edited 12/26/13

BluTrev wrote:

Some kids need physical discipline, others don't. Verbal discipline can only go so far with some kids until another form of punishment needs to be introduced. As long as the physical discipline doesn't go too far, then I don't see a problem with it.


Here's the thing, though. If you raise your child properly, or within marginal reason, you don't have to discipline them physically to begin with. Because delinquent behavior is not inherent, it's nurtured. In other words, if you fuck up your kids so badly that your children needs beating you're not fit to be a parent, period.

It's also important to notice that abuse is not limited to assaulting the child. Another form of abuse is leaving the child to its own demise (neglect).
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Posted 12/26/13
hitting your child is okay as long as they did something serious like not taking the garbage out or going to bed too late
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Posted 12/26/13

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hitting your child is okay as long as they did something serious like not taking the garbage out or going to bed too late


You're joking right? You've got to be joking. Not taking out the trash is a trifle compared to what kids are doing these days. Some kids are stealing or doing drugs and you're here worried about them going to bed to late? Those little things deserve a scolding, not a belt.

I know i'm going to get ragged for this, but to answer the forum's question: Yes, I do believe that the laws nowadays do not understand the concept of physical discipline. To our society, using a belt or spanking is considered inhumane and abusive. When I was being raised, disobedience was punished physically, and I feel like that was how I learned about consequences. Now, children have nothing to be afraid of from their parents because the worst that will happen is that they lose their phone, AS IF they will actually submit.
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Posted 12/27/13
I've been spanked, many of my very successful friends also have been. If you're smart enough you'll learn that if you do something bad you're going to get smacked. Just calmly talking to kids doesn't particularly work unless they know from previous instances that if they don't buck up there will be consequences.

It really irritates me when kids are acting like complete bastards in the store I work at and the parents just tell them stop, they aren't going to stop. You can't be nice when someone does something bad. That is how you get spoiled kids who don't know their place. I, however, don't believe in beating kids till they bleed or hurting them badly, there is no need for that.
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Posted 12/27/13

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hitting your child is okay as long as they did something serious like not taking the garbage out or going to bed too late


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