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woah! I'm 1 chapter behind? I thought I was up to date! I'm in the middle of that epic fight.

That said, I'm loving the Kyou Kai action, but I'm kinda wanting Houken to show up and reveal he and evil girl who's name we don't care about that is being killed are going out, and invite Kyou Kai and Xin to a double date...or um, other stuff.

Anyhow, off to read it.
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Fine dancing by Kyoukai.



I just finished that chapter and god-damn, fine dancing indeed. Here's my thoughts on her dance, Kyoukai's sister was able to get out of it by seeing that ray of light (her hope), Kyoukai was able to get out because her ray of hope was Shin, his friends and his unit. Knowing she had Hi Shin Unit on her back (the ray literally shining on her back), she knew she could safely go as deep into the trance as she wanted and return, and was able to beat the head of the Shiyuu. I'm not too sure if Kyoukai can have the same ability as him (not having to do the dance) since she had her revelation, but she didn't kill her sister so I suppose not.
Still I hope she doesn't get as much pulled muscles/broken bones from going too deep into the trance, but she seemed fine. If Shin can survive the injuries he had at Sai then Kyoukai will definitely be able to handle this
Hi Shin unit would be bloody terrifying once Kyoukai rejoins them. Gives me shivers.

Though Kyoukai may be a decent strategist in her own right, the strategy training Karyo Ten had might give her an edge over Kyoukai I'm guessing.

Also I'm seeing some implied and subtle romantic developments between Shin and Karyo. The way Kyoukai looks up to Shin is also suspicious. The stage is certainly set for some sort of love triangle (with Shin probably oblivious as fuck to it all) and I'm NOT sure how I feel about that. I honestly feel it doesn't belong in the manga, but I don't mind really, I'll read and enjoy anything Kingdom throws at me
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Hi Shin unit would be bloody terrifying once Kyoukai rejoins them. Gives me shivers.



Though Kyoukai may be a decent strategist in her own right, the strategy training Karyo Ten had might give her an edge over Kyoukai I'm guessing.

Also I'm seeing some implied and subtle romantic developments between Shin and Karyo. The way Kyoukai looks up to Shin is also suspicious. The stage is certainly set for some sort of love triangle (with Shin probably oblivious as fuck to it all) and I'm NOT sure how I feel about that. I honestly feel it doesn't belong in the manga, but I don't mind really, I'll read and enjoy anything Kingdom throws at me


Yeah, shivers indeed. I'm really excited for when she return to the Hi Shin unit.


Yes, but they are different strategist. Ten got her style while Kyoukai got her own. I think adding Kyoukai would help Ten with planning strategies because Kyoukai got experience in combat and can share her knowledge with Ten. Combining these two would make for a beast team. So I hope she joins as a strategist before/at the start of the battle and later join the rest to fight.

I don't know, it would be good to have some sort of romance in this manga I think, but then again I don't read this manga for romance. If they could squeeze in the romance somehow so it blending in well without taking over it would be nice.
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Yes, but they are different strategist. Ten got her style while Kyoukai got her own. I think adding Kyoukai would help Ten with planning strategies because Kyoukai got experience in combat and can share her knowledge with Ten. Combining these two would make for a beast team. So I hope she joins as a strategist before/at the start of the battle and later join the rest to fight.

I don't know, it would be good to have some sort of romance in this manga I think, but then again I don't read this manga for romance. If they could squeeze in the romance somehow so it blending in well without taking over it would be nice.


Yes definitely. Karyo may be formal in her methods like Riboku, and Kyoukai might have that intuitive sense like Duke Hyou? That's the vibe I'm feeling haha

As for the romance, it would sort of, a nice change of pace actually. I know the author would be capable of knowing the right times and right levels to delve deeper into the romantic developments, complete trust. My body is ready.

I swear I'm getting too into this manga. Like I almost shed a man-tear witnessing Ei Sei's heroics in Sai. Some intense moments there
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Posted 4/15/14 , edited 4/15/14
Sweet surprise with 2 fun and exciting chapters today!

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Sweet surprise with 2 fun and exciting chapters today!



It's not done by Turnip Farmer.
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Posted 4/17/14 , edited 4/17/14
If anything I'm happy on how damn fast the chapters roll out.

>That feel when you have 4 chapters of Kingdom to catch up on ;)

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I saw this manga recommended in a number of places, but I'm still not sure whether it would be something I would like. To indicate my tastes, here are some words on my top three of war manga:

Ares: a South Korean manwha with a fictional setting loosely modelled on the Roman Empire. Although the main character is a shounen-ish boy with superhuman swordsman skills, the main story is the rise and fall of a kingdom that tries to conquer all its neighbours in a totalitarian war, and we are introduced to warriors and civilians on all sides, none of whom is completely evil or just. As the story progresses, actions have inexorable consequences, and almost the entire cast is killed off.

Vinland Saga: A story set towards the end of the Viking era, featuring several historical characters. Although some biographies are altered strongly, some character designs are very exaggerated, and some fights are superhuman, it is strikingly good in portraying the historical era: infrastructure, clothing, peoples, customs, mentalities. And all this with almost no echoes of present-day or Japanese cultural concepts. Warriors are shown to be cruel sonowabitches even if they have some greater good in mind, fights are life-or-death and not fair, alliances shifting, the civilians have faces, and the main character has quite the character evolution (from vengeful teen fighting machine to peacenik slave).

The Ravages of Time: A re-telling of Romance of the Three Kingdoms by a Taiwanese author. Although the main characters all constantly strike heroic poses in grand drawings oozing with man-love (there are barely any female characters, in fact the main "female" character is a eunuch!), I love how it is absolutely cynical about all the different warlords' claims to be following Heaven's Will (aka the Right Way or the Greater Good), and the hidden motivations behind any seemingly benevolent act. Also, the real movers in this story are the behind-the-scenes military strategists, who use all dirty tricks in the book, thus the manga (er, manhua) also re-imagines well-known episodes as a battle of strategies much more elaborate and cynical than in the records.

So does Kingdom have any of that depth, in addition to strategy and large-scale battle scenes? Is there any focus on the economy that kept the war machines running? Are there civilians where the troops march? Is there politics? To put it another way, I'd like to know if Kingdom is mature or "mature" seinen: is it mature as in showing a world with more complexity and realism, where things aren't black-and-white (but pretty dark overall), where you can't control everything and there are unintended consequences; or "mature" as in a shounen battle manga with gore added, to satisfy boyish desires for power to do the forbidden?
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I saw this manga recommended in a number of places, but I'm still not sure whether it would be something I would like. To indicate my tastes, here are some words on my top three of war manga:

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So does Kingdom have any of that depth, in addition to strategy and large-scale battle scenes? Is there any focus on the economy that kept the war machines running? Are there civilians where the troops march? Is there politics? To put it another way, I'd like to know if Kingdom is mature or "mature" seinen: is it mature as in showing a world with more complexity and realism, where things aren't black-and-white (but pretty dark overall), where you can't control everything and there are unintended consequences; or "mature" as in a shounen battle manga with gore added, to satisfy boyish desires for power to do the forbidden?


Hey again! From what I've read I can kind of gauge your taste in these sort of manga. Like with all manga I think it takes some to get comfortable to different art styles and other aspects you'll see manga authors have that differ from others. I don't know about others but Kingdom wasn't my cup of tea until I revisited it half a year later (some time 2012), so of course you might have to read a bit to adjust to it.

I actually wrote a good 500 words to answer your comment but I revised on it aha. I'll be straight to the point and answer your questions, with illustrations to match.

Depth, strategy, large scale battles - These three points are probably the main selling points of Kingdom, I've yet to see a large scale battle as intense as Kingdom's (Figure 1, figures in spoilers). In terms of depth, the fights take you to the thickets of the battle where the MC will be, with large emphasis on the one-on-one battles with MC and generals/footsoldiers he'll engage. Keep in mind he has his own unit which he commands so he'll often be fighting alongside them (Figure 2). You can see general-class individuals be categorised by the author into either strategists who coordinate from afar or the generals who go into the battle itself and fight (usually destroying the hell out of everyone (left photo, Figure 2).

Economy - In terms of economy as in farmers making food, getting it to troops, and making the province thrive, yes. It isn't in your face throughout the whole manga but when it comes to it - yes.

Politics - Is a given in this anime, you have multiple states thriving for the subjugation or the unification of China there will be a SHIT load of politics, both external and internal (eg, riots, civil wars etc)

Civilians where the troops march - Yes, there's also times where bad troops march through civilian towns and plunder. There's a lot of detail that comes into this, I think civilians (as in the poor population, farmers etc) play a big role in the manga as MC had a humble beginning himself and can sympathise with them. You can see the social hierarchy with the poor and neglected in rural areas and rich in towns. There's a bit of discrimination since some generals of high upbringing disagree with MC leading his own units and advancing through military ranks, being a nameless poor and all.

Maturity - It is definitely mature, although it feels like a shonen manga. It has its funny and immature moments, but also some real intense and dark moments as well, which I think the author balances out perfectly.

Realism - I wouldn't call it Game of Thrones level with everyone you get attached to dying left right and centre, but the author clearly suggests there are some things you can't achieve without time. I mean, MC starts of as weak and will have a LOT of limitations mentally and physically as to what he can achieve compared to the 'great generals' he aspires to be.
It's hard to gauge where Kingdom is on this one, you might have to see it for yourself : )

So like I said there are some big differences between Kingdom and Ares, Ravages of Time and Vinland Saga, but like most new manga it only takes a right mindset and time to adjust.
As far as I know Ares is finished, while Ravages of time and Vinland Saga are still going, albeit a very slow rate. I think it's a shame you didn't find this manga with the time you had to kill waiting for new chapters haha. Anyway I hope I helped you out with this.


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I saw this manga recommended in a number of places, but I'm still not sure whether it would be something I would like. To indicate my tastes, here are some words on my top three of war manga:

So does Kingdom have any of that depth, in addition to strategy and large-scale battle scenes? Is there any focus on the economy that kept the war machines running? Are there civilians where the troops march? Is there politics? To put it another way, I'd like to know if Kingdom is mature or "mature" seinen: is it mature as in showing a world with more complexity and realism, where things aren't black-and-white (but pretty dark overall), where you can't control everything and there are unintended consequences; or "mature" as in a shounen battle manga with gore added, to satisfy boyish desires for power to do the forbidden?


To be honest, the large scale battling and politics arn't big draws to me. Knowing just a little about Storytelling and Chinese history, and you'll know the classic "Heroes never die, and today this team wins"

The story telling is really hit or miss on it's own. I'm a big fan of the characters and their modivations and struggles to achieve. The battles themselves are quite interesting if a little long winded at times. Kingdom manages to be far more than black or white....while falling to black and white syndrome a few times. I'll suggest watching the Anime, as you'll get past the horrible and....generic early arc's that much faster. After you've entered the War's proper, then you get to see proper character development.

I think the major factor in my enjoyment comes from the progression. The characters age and change as the show goes on... even if they're minor changes. The central hero Xin wears his pesant garb a little too long, but this is a story about Xin's journey to become a General of China...and he's working towards it, starting to look the part in current chapters.

The show has some good strong points to it, and it's grounded in a realistic world with fantastic elements. It's war, people die...but it's a story, so some people are amazing.

Think of it as Dynasty Warriors, the prequel manga/anime.

I would not call Kingdom a Seinen. It's more of a Shounen Berserk.

If you like Berserk, you'll probably like this. If you're looking for something closer to Josei or Korean anything, I'd say you'll have a tough time with this one. This show isn't boo hoo concequences. It's more like CHIINNAAAAA, FUCK YEAH. FIGHTING A WAR BECAUSE IT'S MOTHER FUCKIN ANCIENT CHINA YEAH kind of thing.
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Posted 4/20/14 , edited 4/20/14

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also Turnip Farmers just released chapters 365-369
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You can really tell the difference when you put them up like that...
CR should just go grab the licence to this so we can all read it happily.
Untill then one should support the turnup farmers
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Posted 4/20/14 , edited 4/20/14

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also Turnip Farmers just released chapters 365-369


You know what surprised me? I've NEVER seen that page before. I'd post a link but I was warned before not to link to manga sites. Mangajoy left me off at where Riboku says "No you're wrong." and then the chapter ends. It completely skipped out that page you showed me and put a page crediting its own people instead. Keep in mind this goes on for some chapters after that, maybe all for all I know. No wonder I was getting lost.
I sent a message to their Facebook page but after seeing most of the feedback they're getting it seems Turnip Farmers is the better choice.

Edit after reading 369:
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Aaaah! Got really excited at the last page of chapter 372. Great picture with the unit!

Really excited for the next chapter and how this event will turn out.
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