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Post Reply Fate/stay night (2014) Unlimited Blade Works Anticipation and Discussion
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well they could go the Fate/extra route and make Saber Nero.........ok I will shut up now
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well they could go the Fate/extra route and make Saber Nero.........ok I will shut up now


After playing through Fate/Extra, I'd rather they made something completely new.

I mean I get I get it, do you really need the same Lancer, Rin, Sakura, and Archer?

Sure sure, Archer is the most popular punk ever, I GET IT. And the fact that Saber is the only Saber is really freakin lame sometimes.

But copying Saber to make Nero was a little low. I like Nero don't get me wrong, I have my Red Saber Extra Figma and the special edition box for a reason. But COME ON, new story, new characters.

Don't go all Matrix version Fate on us, dat's some ole bull shit.

Perhaps one day, perhaps, one day they can give us some new heroes.....like Rider was.

Or even better, they could give us Odysseus and he could be an Archer, and he can beat everybody forever because ODYSSEUS IS THE GREATEST HERO EVER.
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I have been waiting for awhile. I'm so excited!
I just hope I don't get in some freak accident to prevent me from watching it on a weekly basis.
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Felstalker wrote:


tobi-wan-kenobito wrote:


But weren't they not as good? I never watched or read any Fate/Stay Night, only some summaries, so please understand if I sound like a noob (I love Fate/Zero, though)


I do believe you should watch Fate/Stay Night then! I've considered it a Guilty Pleasure anime before this, and the Dub isn't half bad if you're more for that. It properly covers the Fate route of the VN, and assumes that you don't know Fate/Zero at all, and the primary mystery lies in Shirou trying to discover what happened while Saber acts like she's still working for Kiritsugu...as he kinda broke her...right in the heart, remember?

If you REALLY liked Saber, go check that Anime out, it's her story there man.

If you want to see the story of Shirou(who you barely know) face off against some other guy(whose popularity is second only to Saber) in a battle of ideals similar to Kiritsugu did in Fate/Zero, Unlimited Blade Works is your thing! It's got a few epic fighting action...but Saber is a little shafted here.

If you want to see what happens with Sakura and Rin and all that build up with Zouken.......you get NOTHING, GOOD DAY TO YOU! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!


I completely agree that The Fate Stay Night anime and the Unlimited Blade Works movie are definitely worth watching. I re-watch them every so often just for fun, but there is one thing that needs to be made clear.

DEEN's depiction of the Fate route is okay if you are unfamiliar with the source material like I was when I first saw the anime. If you are familiar with the Visual Novel though it falls depressingly short. The parts that I love the most about Fate Zero are the servant fights. UFOTABLE truly nailed it in my opinion when animating a fight between entities that are suppose to be, in the VN, nearly unstoppable beings of incredible power.

Watch the very first fight of the prologue portion of the DEEN anime between the servants:
We see maybe 1 clash that lasts for about 5 seconds and thats it. In the Visual Novel that fight feels epic and you truly get a sense of the awe and dread Shiroe feels while watching these two impossible existences fighting.

Both the Anime and the Movie leave out a lot of the scenes necessary for character growth, especially in UBW. I know that as a movie only 1.5 hrs long it had to leave out a lot so they focused on the fights, which I loved, but they completely ignored any kind of explanation about Shiroe's abilities. One minute he is a struggling AMATEUR Magus and the next he's using
Too much is left out. UBW deserves a 24 episode Anime to flesh it out.

In a perfect world we would get:

1. Fate Stay Night: Fate (24 Ep. Remake of Fate Route)
2. Fate Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works (24 Ep. *Good Ending from VN my personal preference*)
3. Fate Stay Night: Heaven's Feel (24 Ep. *True Ending from VN my personal preference*)

72 episodes might seem like a lot, but I can't imagine that anyone would argue that the Type Moon Fans wouldn't go nuts if they announced they were doing this. UFOTABLE would make TONS of money off all three routes. There isn't a doubt in my mind. I would buy all three even if they were $50 a piece. Plus this would make everyone happy. I'm partial to UBW myself based on how the romance sub plot ends in the good ending, but making all three would be EPIC and leave everyone feeling satisfied. If they only do one route people will feel like they've missed out on something.
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I'll disagree. Remember, the Anime is the Anime, not the Visual Novel. They are not the same thing, and they should not be the same thing. A single route of Fate/Stay night is wholly inadequate adaptation. The VN was split into 3 highly distinct routes, so distinct you had to replay the game several times to see the entire story.

Muv-Luv as a series is far more suited to a "full" adaptation, simply due to how the Visual Novel presented itself in such a Linear fashion. That is a adaptation that would not work without a full series.

Fate/Stay Night can not last that long, and it shouldn't. No extended series can be retold 3 times in a row such as that. Evangelion was unable to viewers for the first Rebuild movie, because is was exactly what we saw in the Anime.

Editing Heavens Feel, the one route lacking an adaptation, will bring in new fan's without alienating the current base. I don't want to wade through 48 episodes of old content, which I wouldn't do. I didn't even read the first 11 Chapters of Berserk after I watched the anime, it was old content!

I feel they can flesh out Heavens Feel very well, perhaps starting the first episode before the events of the VN, say when Sakura and Shirou meet, and build up the eventual fight's and summoning like Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero had a unique perspective of showing the audience everybody who was who. You didn't wonder "Who's Berserker belong to" or "Just who is that blonde guy?" and "Who is Riders master...and what does he do?"

If they keep the same perspective, we get to see all that.
We get to see Kotomine being evil and getting Lancer.
We'll get to see how/why Illya summoned Berserker, and how the events following Fate/Zero affected her.
We'll get to see Zouken, Shinji, and Sakura and perhaps explore Riders character a little more
And we might get some more Tiga, Shirou, and Kiritsugu before the events of the Anime adaptation, and see how their characters became who they are.

They can take the outdated Visual Novel, and tell the same story from multiple perspectives, because of Fate/Zero we already know all of these things. Kotomine in Fate was originally the guy you realized was evil, BIG SHOCK! It surprised me back then, and I totally forgot about him. But Fate/Zero turned him into my favorite character, bar none.

Ufotable is building it's new Fate off of Zero, so they can't take the same routes perviously done.

aaaaaaaand, nobody is going to compare Fate/Versions if they do a route previously undone.
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Felstalker wrote:


I agree with your break down of heaven's feel, but like you said the Fate VN is separated into it's three distinct routes. In order to understand everything in Heaven's feel you have to have completed the first two routes. Can you still understand and enjoy HF without UBW or the Fate route? Sure. There are parts, however, that are detailed in the first two stories that are needed to truly understand the depth of the whole HF plot.

In my mind they would make all three routes into seasons in a way. Obviously the three routes aren't continuations, but watching them one after another with a proper prologue episode would be enough to prevent confusion.

I also understand the mindset behind the fact that "the Anime is the Anime, not the Visual Novel.", but at the same time I, and I believe many others, enjoyed the VN the anime is based on MUCH more than the anime itself and I personally would love to see a studio like UFOTABLE have the chance to animate the VIsual Novel. They did a great job with Fate Zero and I don't see any reason why they couldn't remake the original Fate route that DEEN tried to do and tie it in completely as the sequel to Fate Zero.

I guess in the end I want to see a Fate Stay Night Anime with the same quality and cohesiveness as Fate Zero. If I can at least get that I will be happy in the end.

The only way I would be displeased with whatever they decide to do would be if they copy DEEN and try to do one route with pieces of the other 2 put in. The routes are so different that combining the three would mean leaving out parts of each that I wouldn't want to miss.
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Beyond any shadow of a doubt, THE most anticipated anime of 2014! Even more than Infinite Stratos 3 or High School DxD New+!
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xle6ionx wrote:


I agree with your break down of heaven's feel, but like you said the Fate VN is separated into it's three distinct routes. In order to understand everything in Heaven's feel you have to have completed the first two routes. Can you still understand and enjoy HF without UBW or the Fate route? Sure. There are parts, however, that are detailed in the first two stories that are needed to truly understand the depth of the whole HF plot.

In my mind they would make all three routes into seasons in a way. Obviously the three routes aren't continuations, but watching them one after another with a proper prologue episode would be enough to prevent confusion.

I also understand the mindset behind the fact that "the Anime is the Anime, not the Visual Novel.", but at the same time I, and I believe many others, enjoyed the VN the anime is based on MUCH more than the anime itself and I personally would love to see a studio like UFOTABLE have the chance to animate the VIsual Novel. They did a great job with Fate Zero and I don't see any reason why they couldn't remake the original Fate route that DEEN tried to do and tie it in completely as the sequel to Fate Zero.

I guess in the end I want to see a Fate Stay Night Anime with the same quality and cohesiveness as Fate Zero. If I can at least get that I will be happy in the end.

The only way I would be displeased with whatever they decide to do would be if they copy DEEN and try to do one route with pieces of the other 2 put in. The routes are so different that combining the three would mean leaving out parts of each that I wouldn't want to miss.


They HAVE to do the 1 route with pieces, that's the point! Important character introductions and developments were made during the earlier routes. They don't have to copy it so much as understand each event, and decide what fits the content they require. We need to see Archer and Shirou's stupid battle of stupid ideals, as it ties in with Kiritsugu's character.
We HAVE to get some understanding of Saber and what she has gone through since Fate/Zero
And we'd certainly love to see a proper continuation of Sakura's story.

These things all need to be addressed, but because of Fate/Zero it doesn't have to be the same as the VN.

I don't personally like the UBW route, as I didn't really like Archer. Now, I love his story and back story, but I was on Shirou's side. I wanted Dickface Archer to shut is gosh darn cunt face up and die in a fire.

The plot of Heavens Feel intentionally leaves out certain character stories because they have already been told. Saber is shafted because she was previously focused on in another story, same goes with Archer.

I feel that the overarching theme of Heavens Feel, that being Shirou's change from being Kiritsugu Jr. to Shirou the individual a far stronger story than the other two routes.

Saber&Sakura have been perfectly prepped for this next adaptation. It would be a shame if they didn't go this route!
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It´s one of my favorite series. I have 4 scale figures of Saber and 10 Fate nendoroids.

Yup, i´m excited for this one hehehhe
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I didn't like really like Fate/Stay Night, so I'm worried about what ufotable has to work with. However, since Fate/Zero happens to be one of my favorite anime, I will put my faith in them and expect something good from this one.
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I hope it's the Heaven's Feel route.
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Posted 1/6/14
I loved Fate/Zero and hated Stay/Night. Stay/Night seemed more childish imo.
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Posted 1/6/14
I can't seem to have any high hopes for this since I really disliked the first one. But hey, I felt the same way about FMAB and that turned out great. Hopefully this will be the same.
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so there is an announcement this month right? bout 2 weeks i think
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