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Posted 6/30/14

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The show really needed 2 more episodes to be really good. It didn't have to "end" exactly like the manga, but not explaining how Kazumi got back is a gamebreaker. I give the Manga 9/10 so far and the anime 5/10 just because of the rushed ending.


It isn't hard to figure out how she got back. She was revived the same way Murakami was.
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That was the ending? Seriously...?

On a side-note, why was Mako so crazy for Chisato? It's like he constantly treated her like garbage and yet she was so madly in love with him she brushed it off. Either she's batsh*t crazy or something wasn't explained in the show. Apparently all Chisato did was save her once and that was enough for her to fall in love...?
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That was the ending? Seriously...?

On a side-note, why was Mako so crazy for Chisato? It's like he constantly treated her like garbage and yet she was so madly in love with him she brushed it off. Either she's batsh*t crazy or something wasn't explained in the show. Apparently all Chisato did was save her once and that was enough for her to fall in love...?


Stockholm syndrome I guess?

And I'm sad the series is over, I really wished it would've been longer.
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trmjkd989 wrote:

That was the ending? Seriously...?

On a side-note, why was Mako so crazy for Chisato? It's like he constantly treated her like garbage and yet she was so madly in love with him she brushed it off. Either she's batsh*t crazy or something wasn't explained in the show. Apparently all Chisato did was save her once and that was enough for her to fall in love...?


Seems like it was something omitted, but she did say she's alive because of him at one point didn't she, or did she say something else? So him walking in there while she was half melt in the flashback could KIND OF had something to do with it, but I can't tell one way or the other lol
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trmjkd989 wrote:

That was the ending? Seriously...?

On a side-note, why was Mako so crazy for Chisato? It's like he constantly treated her like garbage and yet she was so madly in love with him she brushed it off. Either she's batsh*t crazy or something wasn't explained in the show. Apparently all Chisato did was save her once and that was enough for her to fall in love...?


Seems like it was something omitted, but she did say she's alive because of him at one point didn't she, or did she say something else? So him walking in there while she was half melt in the flashback could KIND OF had something to do with it, but I can't tell one way or the other lol


That small flashback seemed to be the only backstory with their relationship in the show. Mako's reaction to Chisato after he admitted that he was using her was... odd. It didn't even seem like love to me. Seemed more like psychotic attachment.
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trmjkd989 wrote:

That small flashback seemed to be the only backstory with their relationship in the show. Mako's reaction to Chisato after he admitted that he was using her was... odd. It didn't even seem like love to me. Seemed more like psychotic attachment.


Yeah, I agree. I'm surprised more of the witches shown didn't have some kind of psychosis. They stayed fairly sane considering the amount of torture they'd gone through.
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TrainWreck of the Season.

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Like one of my favorite reviewers said, its a "read the manga" ending. They literally explained nothing at the end, which is disappoint.

Still better than the Akuma no Riddle ending
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I guess I am glad I haven't read the manga. I would probably be upset with the mess we got. As it is, the show was a mixed bag. Bad, rushed storytelling with some fun humor and, earlier on, good fights. I should rate it harsher than I am, especially since I won't bother to watch a second season.
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Koda89 wrote:

As someone who didn't read the manga(but totally will now after seeing this), I rather liked this anime. Granted YES the show was rushed in places, especially the last two episodes and the rushing created some weird ass mood whiplashing. But still I enjoyed what I saw. 8/10.


I'm with Koda on this. I held off reading the manga as well and I liked several of the episodes and characters after a couple of episodes. Then it kinda got annoying in the second half, killing off new characters (especially ones I was starting to like ) within two episodes. The whole ending was rushed, should have been a couple more episodes for sure. Throwing in the anti-lab organization for the last couple of episodes seemed lost without some more fleshing out of their background. Weren't they in the OP sequence the whole time?

Anyway, I'm certainly going to read the manga. I'm hoping we'd see it published here on CR or someone picks it up stateside.

8.5/10



I agree with you guys. I personally think this anime was great! I have never read the manga I was able to follow most of the events even though as mentioned above it seemed rushed at times. The only part I found a bit confusing was how Hatsune and kazumi survived... my guess is that Hatsune didn't fully kill herself (the hangup saved her but slowed her regen) and she let kana walk and saved kazumi. Some have mentioned that there were new plot threads opened which were never closed... I agree however I believe they will be expanded in the next season (I'm hoping there is another) as there was no way I could see them introducing/expanding those points farther within the alotted 10 episodes. This seems to me to be a decent compromise to introduce some important details whicheck can be expanded without going to far where it overtakes the main plot of the season, and makes it impossible to follow/confusing.

I also give it an 8.5/10 (points lost for the sometimes rushed pace and slightly on fusing kazumi and Katsuya ending)

I also like how they gave it an ending that should they not make another season, at least the characters are at peace and continuing on, unlike other anime I've seen where it just ends when you don't even know if the characters will survive, or whether anyone will have the guts to confess to the one they like !

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Okay, I have to admit the way the ending was handled seemed like a serious blow to the overall quality of the series.

As one example, I caught that Hatsuna was regenerating, and it wasn't difficult to figure out when Kazumi was alive at the end that it was Hatsuna that had saved her.

The problem is that when the witches are hung up, they are supposed to be without their powers for a day, and Hatsuna's power was regeneration.

Let's skip for a moment that she should have at least remained a pile of goo for a day (if not simply been dead). We would also have to infer that it also reset her "hang up", as otherwise she would have had no power to save Kazumi.

For a series that had otherwise done a better than average job at handling things logically, this was just one of the disappointments in the finale.

Sure, I loved seeing perhaps my favorite character (Kazumi) survive, but it felt like a cheat.


Most of the series was fine. It was nice to think, "Why don't they do this?", and in the next episode or two, they do (instead of supposedly smart characters being stupid), or "Wouldn't this be a problem?", and in the next episode or two, yes, it is (instead of possible problems being ignored).
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Okay, I have to admit the way the ending was handled seemed like a serious blow to the overall quality of the series.

As one example, I caught that Hatsuna was regenerating, and it wasn't difficult to figure out when Kazumi was alive at the end that it was Hatsuna that had saved her.

The problem is that when the witches are hung up, they are supposed to be without their powers for a day, and Hatsuna's power was regeneration.

Let's skip for a moment that she should have at least remained a pile of goo for a day (if not simply been dead). We would also have to infer that it also reset her "hang up", as otherwise she would have had no power to save Kazumi.

For a series that had otherwise done a better than average job at handling things logically, this was just one of the disappointments in the finale.

Sure, I loved seeing perhaps my favorite character (Kazumi) survive, but it felt like a cheat.


Most of the series was fine. It was nice to think, "Why don't they do this?", and in the next episode or two, they do (instead of supposedly smart characters being stupid), or "Wouldn't this be a problem?", and in the next episode or two, yes, it is (instead of possible problems being ignored).


Why wouldn't hatsuna then save kotori too? Because of the grane maybe but I'd assume everyone else would want her to. Btw I haven't read the manga either.
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Sorry I didn't see your post originally or I would have answered it then. Thankfully someone else replied just now so I saw it.

TheAncientOne wrote:

Okay, I have to admit the way the ending was handled seemed like a serious blow to the overall quality of the series.

As one example, I caught that Hatsuna was regenerating, and it wasn't difficult to figure out when Kazumi was alive at the end that it was Hatsuna that had saved her.

The problem is that when the witches are hung up, they are supposed to be without their powers for a day, and Hatsuna's power was regeneration.

Let's skip for a moment that she should have at least remained a pile of goo for a day (if not simply been dead). We would also have to infer that it also reset her "hang up", as otherwise she would have had no power to save Kazumi.

For a series that had otherwise done a better than average job at handling things logically, this was just one of the disappointments in the finale.

Sure, I loved seeing perhaps my favorite character (Kazumi) survive, but it felt like a cheat.

Most of the series was fine. It was nice to think, "Why don't they do this?", and in the next episode or two, they do (instead of supposedly smart characters being stupid), or "Wouldn't this be a problem?", and in the next episode or two, yes, it is (instead of possible problems being ignored).

The real problem with the series was that they jammed 10 tankobons worth of manga into 13 episodes. When they did that, they hacked and slashed away entire chapters or entire volumes and as they did that, they often removed days of things that happened. I won't spoil all the manga for you in case you want to go and read the amazing story that was written there but I will say a few things about this section as to why it is not a cheat if they'd done it like in the manga. They also changed things in the anime and they didn't take the care to make sure that it worked logically.

I won't spoil books worth of manga differences here but suffice it to say that while the final end is very similar in the anime and book ten of the manga, how they get there, how many days it takes, events, who does what... are all very, very different. With those days in between there is more than enough time for Hatsuna to recharge... well, after that fight at least. The next one.... I said I wasn't going to spoil. It also explains why she didn't die when she hung up and melted; she in fact explained it herself while in a goo state! Not sure how she could talk like that but... it's manga I guess, about magical witches with aliens implanted in them so I suppose anything is possible once you accept that.

It is a shame the anime was so rushed. I don't know from the timing if the chapters of the manga were actually done before production on the anime started or if there was just an outline and the anime went ahead and wrote its own version of the ending based upon that rough draft or what. But I will say: Read the manga if you want to know what the original author intended to happen.

Only sort of good thing is that since they did meet up fairly well at the same point they could do a second season if they really wanted too, especially if they wanted to do a few OVAs to explain the books worth of material they skipped. Tomorrow morning's sales of the first Bluray box may tell us if it has a chance. The manga got a boost, more than doubled its sales but they still aren't great sales so at this point along with Bluray pre-sales numbers and the WAY they rushed through the manga, I think season 2 is quite doubtful. But not impossible, since it did in fact end, somehow, exactly like the end of volume 10 of the manga even though they skipped and changed a few metric tons of story in between.


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Why wouldn't hatsuna then save kotori too? Because of the grane maybe but I'd assume everyone else would want her to. Btw I haven't read the manga either.


Well, this is something else that they changed quite a bit in the anime. Kotori didn't kill herself in the manga, she couldn't do it herself so she asked them to kill her. And they did because otherwise all life on the planet would have been wiped it to prepare for the in... I said I wouldn't spoil too much, didn't I? Suffice to say, if they didn't kill Kotori they would all be dead. And if they'd regenerated her after they killed her, the grane would have come back too... and killed them all. Since they didn't have a way to remove the grane with or without killing her, there really was no choice unfortunately. The sad story of Kotori, perhaps the saddest out of all the sad stories of the girls in Brynhildr in the Darkness, who are all living on borrowed time.
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