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I pay the same amount as americans, for less content. In what universe is that fair? I live in the United Kingdom, I have been a crunchyroll subscriber very nearly ever since they went legitimate. I love anime, I love supporting the studios that make it.

But there is a growing trend on crunchyroll that frankly pisses me off. That is now that two popular manga's turned anime are now available "if you happen to be an american". My money is as good as theirs isn't it? I'm paying the same amount as them. So why in the hell should I not get the same amount of content?

It's unfair to the international customers. Bleach is international, Naruto is international, so is hunter x hunter, so why in the living name of hell is one piece and toriko allowed on Crunchyroll at all?

Kick them off, or make them available to all your customers. It's time funnimation and these other idiot distributors learn that international restrictions are not only retarded, but it's going to bloody well cost them money.
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you did not read the EULA when you signed up?
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So...

Let me get this straight.

You want CR to stop carrying shows that they cannot get the rights to stream in the UK. Because if you don't have access to it, then nobody should have access to it. No judgment here, just verifying your position.
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You can use a proxy IP and use an American IP address to watch those
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you are paying for the service to not go through proxy and dark side mediums to watch anime.

in a sense you are paying more for less.
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I've been paying more attention to regional restrictions with this current season since I'm moving to the UK in just a few days now, and it looks to me like CR heard the complaints from last season & got the licenses for almost all of the new shows for the UK.

As has been said in many other threads on this topic, the regional thing isn't always totally CR's fault. We don't even know if OP/Toriko had licenses for the UK for sale. CR generally tries to get as wide of a spread as possible, so I would theorize that it is something other than them just not caring about the UK that is the reason for them not getting OP/Toriko for the UK.
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dcforeman wrote:

I pay the same amount as americans, for less content. In what universe is that fair? I live in the United Kingdom, I have been a crunchyroll subscriber very nearly ever since they went legitimate. I love anime, I love supporting the studios that make it.

But there is a growing trend on crunchyroll that frankly pisses me off. That is now that two popular manga's turned anime are now available "if you happen to be an american". My money is as good as theirs isn't it? I'm paying the same amount as them. So why in the hell should I not get the same amount of content?

It's unfair to the international customers. Bleach is international, Naruto is international, so is hunter x hunter, so why in the living name of hell is one piece and toriko allowed on Crunchyroll at all?

Kick them off, or make them available to all your customers. It's time funnimation and these other idiot distributors learn that international restrictions are not only retarded, but it's going to bloody well cost them money.


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It's all down to licensing.

From what I understand Japanese publishers aren't too keen on it, don't care about most markets (yet still require specific licenses for them) and aren't keen on making the specifics of licenses public (nor are the licensees to be fair; though this is likely down to not giving the competition information).

The UK does alright. In fact we're so 'lucky' that part of the problem we have is that there is competition to Crunchyroll, This however means you have to pay for more than one service. In the UK that is Wakamin and Animax. To be fair, both offer simulcasts free at first. That said Wakamin is expensive (though arguably gives more to the publishers et al.) and still in parts poorly or not at all translated from French (the payment part, of all places) and Animax is mainly 'older' anime. Both don't seem to be very prompt with their simulcasts; they're not really simulcasts at all and both have pretty poor website designs.

That all said, I wouldn't want Crunchyroll getting everything. I'm opposed to Steam being a one stop shop. Perhaps if for a little extra money (from us) Crunchyroll could license some of these from them?
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Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

So...

Let me get this straight.

You want CR to stop carrying shows that they cannot get the rights to stream in the UK. Because if you don't have access to it, then nobody should have access to it. No judgment here, just verifying your position.


I see two solutions.

1) International customers get a discount. After all, we pay the same for less. As far as I'm aware there's no anime that the americans can not access due to licensing.
2) No one gets the animes, the community supports international releases only. Companies who adopt a US only policy lose out period.

Neither are ideal, but they are both fair.

So I counter your question with.

Are you going to enable companies to do this, just so you can get an anime?




FkYouBish wrote:

You can use a proxy IP and use an American IP address to watch those


Proxy IP's are slow, streaming can be difficult, plus you often need to install 3rd party software from dubious origin to use it. I recently read in the news that there are proxy clients appearing now that use your local CPU power to "mine for bitcoins" effectively keeping your CPU and GPU running at 100%, thus producing a high electricity bill, not to mention overheating your system.

You can set these things up manually with networking, and I do know how to do this. But I won't, because quite apart from anything else it's illegal. If I was the type to do illegal things, I'd be on secure newsgroup servers grabbing the stuff there, and not paying crunchyroll a penny.

Also, if I come in from a proxy and watch these things then it gets reported to the studio's, they simply think they are doing a bunch load more traffic. Then they feel they don't need international customers.
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You do not need to use a 3rd party software. You can do it from internet explorer as long as you have the IP Address and Port number of the IP you want. Go to http://www.getproxy.jp/en/ and open internet explorer, Internet Option > Connection. Check "use proxy IP' or whatever it says. Choose the IP with the shortest response time and in http format. If it's 192.3.20.138:443, then enter 192.3.20.138 for IP and 443 for port. Then open crunchyroll, play the anime, and once it begins to stream, you can change back to your old IP by unchecking 'Use proxy IP' and it should come back to your normal internet speed.
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dcforeman wrote:


Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

So...

Let me get this straight.

You want CR to stop carrying shows that they cannot get the rights to stream in the UK. Because if you don't have access to it, then nobody should have access to it. No judgment here, just verifying your position.


I see two solutions.

1) International customers get a discount. After all, we pay the same for less. As far as I'm aware there's no anime that the americans can not access due to licensing.
2) No one gets the animes, the community supports international releases only. Companies who adopt a US only policy lose out period.

Neither are ideal, but they are both fair.

So I counter your question with.

Are you going to enable companies to do this, just so you can get an anime?


Short answer: Yes.


Long Explanation
: Because what CR offers in other regions is irrelevant to me. I pay them what I consider a fair price for the servicer they offer me. If you do not feel that their price is fair for what you get, then you should not pay for their service. I do not pretend to know the details of CRs business. However, it is in their best interest to provide as much of their service to other countries as possible. If they are not airing something in a country I can only assume that they are either unable to do so because another company already has the license or it is too costly to obtain the license without increasing their prices in your area. It is unreasonable, although sadly, not surprising, for you to expect a US company to prioritize service to the UK at the expense of other customers in other countries.
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Well_Spoken_Man wrote:
Short answer: Yes.

Long Explanation
: Because what CR offers in other regions is irrelevant to me. I pay them what I consider a fair price for the servicer they offer me. If you do not feel that their price is fair for what you get, then you should not pay for their service. I do not pretend to know the details of CRs business. However, it is in their best interest to provide as much of their service to other countries as possible. If they are not airing something in a country I can only assume that they are either unable to do so because another company already has the license or it is too costly to obtain the license without increasing their prices in your area. It is unreasonable, although sadly, not surprising, for you to expect a US company to prioritize service to the UK at the expense of other customers in other countries.


And selfish people with priorities like that only means that US companies loose out on international income. In turn the anime studios you want to support (I presume) end up with less of the pie, while websites pirate their stuff away keeping their own adverting income for themselves.

Very short sighted. But hey, what do you care? You got your anime right? Who cares if anyone else gets screwed over?



FkYouBish wrote:

You do not need to use a 3rd party software. You can do it from internet explorer as long as you have the IP Address and Port number of the IP you want. Go to http://www.getproxy.jp/en/ and open internet explorer, Internet Option > Connection. Check "use proxy IP' or whatever it says. Choose the IP with the shortest response time and in http format. If it's 192.3.20.138:443, then enter 192.3.20.138 for IP and 443 for port. Then open crunchyroll, play the anime, and once it begins to stream, you can change back to your old IP by unchecking 'Use proxy IP' and it should come back to your normal internet speed.


If you'd read the whole of my post you'd have noted that I said, I was aware of how to do it. This doesn't change the speed issues or the legality issues.



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It's all down to licensing.

From what I understand Japanese publishers aren't too keen on it, don't care about most markets (yet still require specific licenses for them) and aren't keen on making the specifics of licenses public (nor are the licensees to be fair; though this is likely down to not giving the competition information).

The UK does alright. In fact we're so 'lucky' that part of the problem we have is that there is competition to Crunchyroll, This however means you have to pay for more than one service. In the UK that is Wakamin and Animax. To be fair, both offer simulcasts free at first. That said Wakamin is expensive (though arguably gives more to the publishers et al.) and still in parts poorly or not at all translated from French (the payment part, of all places) and Animax is mainly 'older' anime. Both don't seem to be very prompt with their simulcasts; they're not really simulcasts at all and both have pretty poor website designs.

That all said, I wouldn't want Crunchyroll getting everything. I'm opposed to Steam being a one stop shop. Perhaps if for a little extra money (from us) Crunchyroll could license some of these from them?


I've never heard of Wakamin or Animax. Probably because Wakamin is in french, and Animax is such a little known name to me, that I would have assumed it was another pirate site. They also don't list the two popular animes or anything particularly new as you've already said. I will probably grab a subscription with them though.

The fact is crunchyroll are promoting an anime I can't watch, so obviously their advertising isn't regionally sensitive. It's going to pee me off less if I'm not aware these restricted videos, but I keep seeing one piece especially at the end of anime I watch. Now I am painfully aware that I'm expected to pay the same price for less content, you should understand why I'm so teezed off.

Crunchyroll used to be a place for pirated anime itself, they should understand more than anyone else that internationally it's retarded restrictions like this that drive customers away, and promote illegitimate sites. If it's a choice between one country, america not receiving a couple of animes, or international customers paying so americans can watch animes we can't, then understandably I'm seriously considering cancelling my subscription. After all, strictly speaking I could get ALL animes ever made without paying a single damned penny.
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And selfish people with priorities like that only means that US companies loose out on international income. In turn the anime studios you want to support (I presume) end up with less of the pie, while websites pirate their stuff away keeping their own adverting income for themselves.

Very short sighted. But hey, what do you care? You got your anime right? Who cares if anyone else gets screwed over?


How are you getting screwed over? You are paying for a service. If you feel you are being charged too much you are free to stop paying for that service. What you are essentially suggesting is that CR spend more money on your market than other markets, reducing services to everyone outside of the UK in order to make what you get a better value. You are going to have to make a stronger case than this if you want me to believe that CR is being predatory in their pricing. Because I have a hobby that brings me into contact with a bunch of little shits in Nottingham called Games Workshop, who have been screwing over their Non-UK customers for years. I still buy their products, because even if someone somewhere else has it better, that is irrelevant to my transactions.
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I've been paying more attention to regional restrictions with this current season since I'm moving to the UK in just a few days now, and it looks to me like CR heard the complaints from last season & got the licenses for almost all of the new shows for the UK.

As has been said in many other threads on this topic, the regional thing isn't always totally CR's fault. We don't even know if OP/Toriko had licenses for the UK for sale. CR generally tries to get as wide of a spread as possible, so I would theorize that it is something other than them just not caring about the UK that is the reason for them not getting OP/Toriko for the UK.


I'm not saying crunchyroll don't care, I'm saying they need a more hardline "International or no" stance. All crunchyroll premium subscribers pay the same amount regardless of where they are. If they adopted a UK gets 95% of anime therefore we will charge them 95% stance, then I'd have no issue. But they don't, they charge the maximum amount they can.

Why should I be paying the same as america for less content?
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dcforeman wrote:

I'm not saying crunchyroll don't care, I'm saying they need a more hardline "International or no" stance. All crunchyroll premium subscribers pay the same amount regardless of where they are. If they adopted a UK gets 95% of anime therefore we will charge them 95% stance, then I'd have no issue. But they don't, they charge the maximum amount they can.

Why should I be paying the same as america for less content?

I can definitely understand your anger and as much as I really dislike those regional restrictions too, it isn't that easy.

See it from another perspective for a moment. If you would lower the price for certain regions you can bet some people will start to abuse the price system to get an cheaper price if they don't mind the lack of some titles. Refusing all distributors who don't want to provide services worldwide isn't a solution either. They will simply go away and go to another streaming site... That wouldn't solve anything either.
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