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Coming into the new season I was pretty excited for the announcements from crunchyroll but it seems that quite a large chunk of the new titles are only available in the US and Canada, this was quite a let down and means that the only way to watch these series would be either through a laggy proxy that hardly sustains SD or a dodgy website.

Do publishers have a problem with the UK and the rest of the world, do they not see a suitable market, or would it just cost crunchyroll too much for the rights to stream them outside north america?
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Posted 1/6/14 , edited 1/6/14
Hi there, it's not all as doom and gloom as you think - we have no less than three services competing for our viewing time/money: Crunchyroll (who still get us a significant share of anime each season), Animax UK (probably 3 or so simulcasts, yet to be announced) and Anime Limited (Wakanim), who have Space Dandy and possibly 1 or 2 more as well.

There will inevitably be competition between the three of them, but all of them will allow you to watch the simulcasts for free (at least for a limited time) So some of the US/Canada only CR shows may very well turn up for us as well
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What Xan says is indeed true but Wakanim's website is honestly a mess, I found it so painful it actually put be of Kill la Kill and Animax are going to charge you another £5.99 for a membership.

Personally I still hope for a day where companies aren't fighting each other for licenses but are instead streaming all the shows that they want/can afford.

Andrew Partridge of AllTheAnime.LTD has been pushing for this recently and I, personally, hope he succeeds because it'll finally mean us, the consumer, can choose the best service and not have to keep an eye on several at the same time.
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Posted 1/6/14
All the anime is the thing we need, they are getting us new anime fresh from japan while bringing us classics overlooked and discontinued over here.

Anime is also becoming bigger here due to the fact it's fresh for us since we haven't had them like japan/usa thus there's a market with backlog just waiting for the uk audience.

It won't be long before we radically see a change in the system altogether. Already seen it today with Space Dandy. A dub of the same show simultaneously as the sub. It won't be long before others follow and you're looking at crunchyroll like service on tv with dub.
Wakanim is awesome for the shows they pick but paying for subscription to then buy eps on top. Not a realistic idea, while animax has shows but too many that fans have on dvd already had years ago while not updating it to recent eps.

The uk is far behind the rest of the world, but we are fellow fans and most of the industries have learned we want the shows and want it legally with the extras and unique stuff too. I just hope the industries don't cut their own throats by cutting corners or excluding the fans like they have in the past.
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Since moving to the UK, I won't say that I disagree with my earlier statements. And it's not out of stubborness.

I will, however, admit that it is an extreme annoyance not being able to have everything in one place & as convenient. But that's just how it is, you know?
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Wakanim isn't as bad as you think. You can watch episodes of a new series for free for a month (or a few weeks) in 720p the only thing is there are 2 adverts (max) at the start. You only need to pay if its outwith the time period and you want to rent. The other way is actually buying the episode (which will be in full HD) which will then be yours to own forever more. I am not sure whether the latter part is available yet though...

Animax is a subscription which I don't want to have to pay on top of crunchyroll... They do show episodes for free but again it's only for two weeks. I haven't tried anything yet as I found the site too late last season.

I do like the wakanim player -which doesn't fail on me like crunchyrolls. So don't knock it till you try it! Also @sonicrainbooom_, Andrew Partridge is helping to get wakanim in the UK.
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Wakanim isnt bad, routine for a stream is: click "free", then click the vid window and wait for the ad (which hasnt played for me the last few times, it just runs for 2 seconds before the actual vid pops up) and then fullscreen when the vid plays. No greater hurdles than Crunchyroll, but the lack of queueing is a negative for non-Crunchy sites.

Pity Animax nor Wakanim havent released any info on new season streams outside of Space Dandy
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Posted 1/11/14 , edited 1/11/14

Danteire wrote:

Pity Animax nor Wakanim havent released any info on new season streams outside of Space Dandy


Wakanim had said already that they would start off with 2 or 3 simulcasts per season. Space Dandy + the two continuing ones is three, and given that they've made no indication about getting more licenses I'm pretty sure that we aren't waiting on anything from them.

Animax, on the other hand, are the inheritors of the legacy of Anime on Demand, in more ways than one. At least they seem to realise that it is possible to answer questions, even if the answers tell you nothing and any points you try to raise are ignored. Still, a step in the right direction there. They even seem to intend to actually announce their simulcasts, rather than just uploading them.
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Posted 1/12/14

Sonicrainbooom_BOOM wrote:
Personally I still hope for a day where companies aren't fighting each other for licenses but are instead streaming all the shows that they want/can afford.

Andrew Partridge of AllTheAnime.LTD has been pushing for this recently and I, personally, hope he succeeds because it'll finally mean us, the consumer, can choose the best service and not have to keep an eye on several at the same time.


Indeed. In fact, they seem to be setting themselves up as the perfect complementary service. They focus on the DTO and DTR methods (which will be a better fit than streaming for some people) and then try to work deal with the subscriber services for those of us who prefer "all you can eat" and/or stream-to-device.

Animax just seem to be a "Charge more, Offer Less, Still Show Ads During First Fortnight Even When Paying" site. With no apps matter liaising yet, despite constant promises.

Oh, and they don't seem to take criticism well. They seem to ignore many of the questions people get asked. They seem to primarily want tight Twitter and FB feeds to be them telling us things they want us to know, with very little in the way of bidirectional communication. And they really don't like answering the difficult questions.
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Posted 1/12/14

Ross-24 wrote:

Wakanim isn't as bad as you think. You can watch episodes of a new series for free for a month (or a few weeks) in 720p the only thing is there are 2 adverts (max) at the start. You only need to pay if its outwith the time period and you want to rent. The other way is actually buying the episode (which will be in full HD) which will then be yours to own forever more. I am not sure whether the latter part is available yet though...


Buying episodes as download-to-own is available on SF and SD. They are still finalising the licensing details for Kill la Kill.

It's not bad as a one-episode taster method, if you never intend to buy a physical release, or you can afford to but an episodes on a weekly basis.
But as the only method of being able to watch the Wakanim shows on an HTPC setup, it gets a bit pricey. Especially when you already have a monthly CR sub.
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Posted 1/12/14
Wakanim will be fine in a few months, it is a fairly new website (for the UK) so just teething problems.

Animax is a little expensive for what they have currently, still good to have.

All the anime... I dunno, Im just reminded of the last company that this CEO tried (AoD) remember how well that went
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Posted 1/12/14
All the anime seem to be getting things right. They respect the fans, they know great classics and bring us bluray/hd with extras not usually available in the uk.

Wakanim seems good but will be better with more selection like cr, animax just doesn't seem to have that many. Which reminds me, got to get back into coppolion at some-point.

Though there has been a dramatic shift in anime in the last few years. Won't be long before it is considered mainstream.
Posted 1/12/14 , edited 1/12/14
we mostly only get the DVD's and blue rays of anime's

there not very good stable streaming site in the uk and if there was
Funi probably be be annoying to deal whith

wish these guys would go onto internet streaming
http://www.mangauk.com/

UK just lacks web streaming when comes to anime other than that we got huge DVD and blue ray section for anime

Wakanim layout makes me wont to be sick just all over the place
and i don't get the paying thing
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Posted 1/12/14

PurpleCox wrote:

Coming into the new season I was pretty excited for the announcements from crunchyroll but it seems that quite a large chunk of the new titles are only available in the US and Canada, this was quite a let down and means that the only way to watch these series would be either through a laggy proxy that hardly sustains SD or a dodgy website.

Do publishers have a problem with the UK and the rest of the world, do they not see a suitable market, or would it just cost crunchyroll too much for the rights to stream them outside north america?


Pay for a VPN then.
It's not illegal to use proxies and VPNs. And I've looked, there's nothing about it in the rules on CR. If there was, it would be pretty lame since it's not illegal to use one.
And it's not the users' fault that licensors are idiots. What's better? Not getting enough cash because not a lot of people in EU watches the anime, or losing a lot of cash because people choose to pirate it instead?
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I guess the real problem is that CR does a good job.

Sure, they're not perfect. There are definitely some issues that it would be nice if they were sorted. But in general, as streaming goes, they do pretty well:
- They have a large library, even excluding the titles restricted from UK viewers.
- They have apps on several platforms.
- Their premium subscription fee is pretty reasonable.
- Even free members get access to a lot of shows, including a large chuck of the back-catalogue as far as I knoe.

The problems with the alternatives are:
- They all have smaller libraries
- Quite a chunk of which CR have elsewhere, but they have UK exclusivity
- Very limited apps
- Wakanim isn't an app platform. They have the DTO method.
- Animax have a PS3 app, and others, apparently "coming soon".
- Daisuki only has an iPad app. Which is currently problematic, even by their admission.
- They don't all have subscription methods
- Wakanim go pay-per-episode. But do offer DRM-free downloads to buy.
- Animax charge a higher fee, and still inflict advertising on sumilcasts for the first two weeks.
- Daisuki is a totally free service. Not a bad point, but certainly a difference.
- Differing levels of free access
- Daisuki only has free content
- Animax and Wakanim both have time-limited free ad-supported simulcasts. Older episodes and shows are paid-only.

Out of the three other services, it is Animax that puzzles me the most. They seem dead-set on doing things a less viewer-friendly way at a higher monthly charge. OK, they have dubbed content in their back-catalogue which some people will probably appreciate a lot. But their handling of simulcasts is completely inferior to Crunchyroll's. At the same time as them being a reason (if not the reason) CR can't show several of their titles over here.

And it's annoying. If they offered a comparable service for a comparable price, it probably wouldn't be too much of a problem. For access to their back-catalogue and the same ad-free access for simulcasts as CR offers, i could accept paying a second subscription fee. Although, even then, not the higher fee that Animax want to command.

But, to be honest, I find myself wishing Animax ideally for Animax to disappear quickly and allow Crunchyroll to add the UK to their list of territories for the shows they're already handling.
Or at least for Animax, and Wakanim, to focus on the non-CR shows to allow shows picked up by other American services to have a shot here in the UK. (What's they're already doing with Copellion and Space Dancy, respectively)

Basically, hey should get the shows CR can't handle, not further restrict the ones they can.
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